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[Mister Apoc]

both blockbuster juggernauts coming out near the end of the year. Wakanda Forever in November followed by Avatar: Way of Water in December

Wakanda Forever is riding high on the incredible box office success of the first film (which was the highest solo MCU box office until No Way Home) It also is going to attract the Hispanic population because of the Atlanteans. It's also dealing in the aftermath of Chadwick's death. It's going to be big..

Avatar 2 is of course going to be interesting as well. the first Avatar was a phenomenon, everyone and their grandmother went to see it because of the groundbreaking technology at the time. it's still one of the most impressive movies I have ever seen in theaters and still better CGI than the majority of films today. Although the overall reception of the movie is quite mixed. Still, 13 years later and James Cameron being who he is, spending all that time developing new technology. It's going to be huge,although I don't know if it will have the novelty factor that brought in so many people the first time.

My Prediction- IDK

I think Black Panther will be more front loaded while Avatar 2 will make more money overtime like the first one

BP will have the higher American gross, but Avatar will be bigger international (China effect, they are in love with Avatar)

BP's box office will no doubt be effected, only having 5 weeks before Avatar 2's release..... It's hard to say at this point.

 

[Grildon Tundy]

Wow, thats a tough one. Both are sequels to VERY well-performing, VERY crowd-pleasing movies for which I don't know if the same audience will show up again the second time. Honestly, I could see them both bombing. Or surpassing the originals.

James Cameron HAS NOT MISSED. People have been waiting for his movies to bomb for decades. They haven't yet. Even though I think Avatar 2 might be his first-ever rotten tomato, I voted for it to win because of the man's track record.

 

[Madflavor]

Never bet against James Cameron.

Also Avatar has more appeal overseas than Black Panther. I think Wakanda Forever has chance of beating Avatar 2 domestically, but worldwide no way.

 

[Days like these...]

Gen whatever these kids are don't even remember Avatar they were too young when it released nor do they care about it. The only ones who care are these 30-40 year old guys who splooge themselves over how much money Avatar made and root for Cameron like they root for their favorite sportsball team.

 

[MayauMiao]

Didn't like both, average at best.

Not even hyped with the FernGully sequel.

 

[Ironbunny]

Gen whatever these kids are don't even remember Avatar they were too young when it released nor do they care about it.

But is this a bad thing for Avatar 2? These people will have change to see Avatar fresh and not be tied to the past as Avatar being a 3d gimmick.

 

[Days like these...]

But is this a bad thing for Avatar 2? These people will have change to see Avatar fresh and not be tied to the past as Avatar being a 3d gimmick.

Yeah but at the same time they're not going to be hyped about it. They might be mildly curious about this film that old farts (not this old fart) are splooging themselves over.

 

[Alex Anderson]

One if these I've never heard of, so....

 

[Days like these...]

One if these I've never heard of, so....

Avatar I imagine unless you've been living under a rock since the MCU became a huge success.

 

[Alex Anderson]

Avatar I imagine unless you've been living under a rock since the MCU became a huge success.

I do live under a rock, I can confirm this

 

[DetectiveBananas]

Avatar. When James Cameron goes MIA to work on one franchise all these years it better be good!

 

[AJUMP23]

I chose wakanda because it is more in the zeitgeist.


But I don’t think I care.

 

[Mossybrew]

These are two movies I don't really care about, so I'm not voting, but I am making this comment so that everyone knows that these are two movies I don't really care about.

 

[TheGrat1]

Avatar. China will lap that shit up.

Conversely, China will not lap up BP2.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Wakanda forever looked like that actual Avatar sequel.

 

[SpiceRacz]

Wakanda Forever doesn't have a chance. Avatar 2 will do at least double.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

I don't care, I'm looking forward to both. Hope they both do great

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Wakanda Forever doesn't have a chance. Avatar 2 will do at least double.

Like 6 Billion lol.

EDIT:
You are not taking into account that Black Phanter became basically a social movement/symbol.

I think in the US the box office is going to be pretty competitive. Worldwide, Avatar 2 should win easily.

 

[bitbydeath]

Wakanda, most comment sections for Avatar speak about how awful the first one was and their disinterest in watching another.

It could be a spectacular bomb to watch.

 

[sol_bad]

Avatar. China will lap that shit up.

Conversely, China will not lap up BP2.

Wakanda Forever probably won't even get a Chinese release, none of the MCU phase 4 films have. I'm not even 100% positive Avatar 2 will get a Chinese release.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Like 6 Billion lol.

EDIT:
You are not taking into account that Black Phanter became basically a social movement/symbol.

I think in the US the box office is going to be pretty competitive. Worldwide, Avatar 2 should win easily.

Only in the US, not so in every other country on the world.

 

[Hoppa]

I think Avatar 2 will smash just by being able to market it as the sequel to the highest grossing movie of all time, I can imagine the advertising posters already yuck

 

[kunonabi]

I'll say Avatar sadly. After the trailer I get the feeling BP2 is going to go in the completely wrong direction and audiences aren't going to be as receptive of it as Marvel thinks. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[Jaybe]

Avatar 2. It’s going to be a spectacle people will see even if it’s bad. If it’s actually good, it will crush and hit 1.5 to 2 bil.

BP2 will struggle to get to 1 bil. BP1 was novel, charismatic lead, dropped 2 months before Infinity War and after Spiderman HC and Thor R, when everyone was on the MCU train. Phase 4 has been a bore plus too much marvel tv saturated the public. What they do with the character could rub people the wrong way as well.

 

[Alter_Fridge]

No interest in BP2 and middling interest in Avvy 2

 

[ParaSeoul]

Does anyone actually care about which bloated budget lowest common denominator shlock makes more millions at the box office?

 

[3liteDragon]

I’m gonna go with Avatar 2 for both domestic & international, having seen footage now.

 

[thefool]

The real question is if bp and wakanda together make as much money as the original Avatar.

 

[HoodWinked]

Cameron has some kind of dark magics. Like why would a 3+ hour film about a boat rich people were on have any business making over a billion dollars. Then again about weird blue cat people that fuck with thier tails make billions again. And yet years later with more advanced CG effects the movie Cats is released but is completely repulsive and creepy in its visuals.

 

[Grildon Tundy]

Does anyone actually care about which bloated budget lowest common denominator shlock makes more millions at the box office?

Not especially. What I do care about is honing my future-predicting skills and this is a fun opportunity to do that, considering how similar the situation is for both sequels and how opinionated people can be about it.

Also, you're on a video game discussion forum. You ought to be used to running into debates 99% of people don't care about lol

 

[IDKFA]

Wakanda Forever.

Not only will Wakanda Forever be bigger than A2, it'll be the highest grossing movie of all time, easily hitting the 3bn barrier.

Reason why? Because not many films celebrate black culture and history like Black Panther. People will be all over this film.

Avatar will also make bank, but only around 2bn.

 

[jabberwookie]

I vote Avatar 2.

The first movie was only 13 years ago. Even if someone wasn't born yet and are now old enough to enjoy a movie at the theater, I'm sure they've seen Avatar at some point. Plus the amazing looking Frontiers of Pandora game that's had a trailer for over a year.

My parents have Avatar 3D on blu ray and were blown away by it. I doubt they've ever seen a MCU movie. I've been looking forward to the sequel for years since it was left as a cliff hanger. In fact I didn't even know about the new Black Panther movie until this thread.

 

[DKehoe]

I don't really care about Avatar but considering all the shit people talk about the first one it'd be really funny if the sequel became the new highest-grossing film ever.

 

[kraspkibble]

I can't remember shit about Avatar except blue people but I'd rather go see a sequel to it than any Marvel trash.

 

[ParaSeoul]

You ought to be used to running into debates 99% of people don't care about lol

True thats on me

 

[jason10mm]

Gen whatever these kids are don't even remember Avatar they were too young when it released nor do they care about it. The only ones who care are these 30-40 year old guys who splooge themselves over how much money Avatar made and root for Cameron like they root for their favorite sportsball team.

Good grief, it's Avatar 2, a seqyel to a film a little more than a decade old, not The Abyss 2!

Although now I wanna see the Abyss aliens flood Wakanda with their water tech

 

[Lady Jane]

MCU fatigue is real and Avatar 2 has a wider appeal

 

[jason10mm]

MCU fatigue is real and Avatar 2 has a wider appeal

I'm not sure MCU fatigue has set in for the general audience, but WF is gonna struggle I think because it doesn't have characters people as are attached to (the queen, the sister, the girlfriend). The trailer is emotional but it's a hard sell IMHO.

I feel sorta the same way about A2 but I think the appeal of the Navi is greater than the general appeal of Wakanda.

Though I suspect we will get more actiony trailers for both soon.

 

[Days like these...]

I'll say Avatar sadly. After the trailer I get the feeling BP2 is going to go in the completely wrong direction and audiences aren't going to be as receptive of it as Marvel thinks. I hope I'm wrong though.

Agreed its bad enough BP had so many black people and now Mexicans too!? This is where I draw the line!!! /s

 

[FunkMiller]

I would hope the more successful of the two isn’t the one that’s trading off the tragic death of an actor to make more cash.

 

[Days like these...]

Good grief, it's Avatar 2, a seqyel to a film a little more than a decade old, not The Abyss 2!

Although now I wanna see the Abyss aliens flood Wakanda with their water tech

Yeah and I like I said these teenagers and early 20 somethings barely remember it and don't care about it

 

[Days like these...]

I would hope the more successful of the two isn’t the one that’s trading off the tragic death of an actor to make more cash.

Should they have just recast and keep it moving like nothing happened?

 

[FunkMiller]

Should they have just recast and keep it moving like nothing happened?

They should have made movies about other characters, and left Black Panther where it was.

 

[Days like these...]

Sure, jan

 

[belmarduk]

Neither will reach the box office heights of their original films but Wakanda Forever will do as decently as any Marvel movie. What did Avatar 2 cost to make? It will probably do well in China at least.

 

[jason10mm]

Should they have just recast and keep it moving like nothing happened?

Absolutely! Boseman was in 2 films with a cameo in a few others. T'challa, recast, could have been in 4-5 more films, the point where Boseman was just a footnote.

Boseman didn't create the character, he's just a hired performer.

 

[Days like these...]

Absolutely! Boseman was in 2 films with a cameo in a few others. T'challa, recast, could have been in 4-5 more films, the point where Boseman was just a footnote.

Boseman didn't create the character, he's just a hired performer.

I actually don't have a problem with that but they were damned if they do damned if they don't.

 

[jason10mm]

I actually don't have a problem with that but they were damned if they do damned if they don't.

Really? Who would have actually complained? Boseman died years ago at this point. I get not saying "Condolences to Boseman's family, AND NOW THE NEW BLACK PANTHER IS......", but if Disney had just shut up for 6 months until the emotions abated they could have announced a new T'Challa and been back on track. And by now the whole thing would just be accepted. Boseman passed, it's not like he got cancelled, quit, was fired for asking for too much money, etc. Plus Boseman KNEW he was ill, he could have "passed the torch" as it were with a simple recorded message, or his family could have done so.

To fridge the character because of the death of an actor is just....bizarre to me. It's not like retiring a roster number from a sports league, it's like eliminating the entire position the guy played and then creating a slightly different position to compensate.

 

[Days like these...]

Really? Who would have actually complained? Boseman died years ago at this point. I get not saying "Condolences to Boseman's family, AND NOW THE NEW BLACK PANTHER IS......", but if Disney had just shut up for 6 months until the emotions abated they could have announced a new T'Challa and been back on track. And by now the whole thing would just be accepted. Boseman passed, it's not like he got cancelled, quit, was fired for asking for too much money, etc. Plus Boseman KNEW he was ill, he could have "passed the torch" as it were with a simple recorded message, or his family could have done so.

To fridge the character because of the death of an actor is just....bizarre to me. It's not like retiring a roster number from a sports league, it's like eliminating the entire position the guy played and then creating a slightly different position to compensate.

You must be new to the internet there would have been lots of faux outrage from the blue hair pronoun people.

 

[sinnergy]

Avatar 2 will blow everything away!