OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I would have gone for the sony oled myself but they are priced way too damn high for the minor upgrades they offer. Plus they don't have near the gaming features. I really love the motion on my c1 though.
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We've All Been Duped by LED LCD's Input Lag vs OLED for Gaming - Here's the Truth
TonyK
Member
Yes, I have an LG CX and even if it has the best image quality I've seen, 30fps and 24hz movies feels worse than in me last Sony Led TV.
ethomaz
Banned
Mine is over 5 months… no burn in or other issue.
Maybe it was a myth issue like people “said” PLASMA had (over 8 years and never got one burn in… sadly something broke in one or more boards and I could not find any replacement… neither a tech specialist that wanted to analysis PLASMA in my region… so now I’m OLED).
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StateofMajora
Banned
I think if you’re not used to Sony’s better gradation you can live with lg, but if you get used to Sony it is hard man lol.
Overall the c1 is better than A80J, as putting interpolation aside it straight up has judder that c1 and older sony’s don’t have. If you got a quality panel on your c1 congrats, you have an awesome tv.
Excess
Member
We don't. The consumer expectation of OLED is that burn-in may occur with unconventional use, eg. Using it as a computer monitor.
From the LG website:
It is rare for an average TV consumer to create an environment that could result in burn-in. Most cases of burn-in in televisions is a result of static images or on-screen elements displaying on the screen uninterrupted for many hours or days at a time – with brightness typically at peak levels.
As a consumer who uses OLED unconventionally, I am assuming this risk through mitigation for the sake of picture quality.
JackSparr0w
Banned
For many hours? I play games with huds for many hours. Just a vague statement to cover themselves in every case of burn in even with reasonable usage. You know in the UK some people took things to the small claims court and easily won their "TV not fit for it's purpose" claims.
ethomaz
Banned
I can give my example.
My TV is on living room… I use to games, my wife for series and movies and my child for baby/child stuffs (in Netflix, YouTube, etc).
8 years with a PLASMA… no burn in.
7 months with an OLED… no burn in.
I really not sure if I will see burn in with the LG CX.
StateofMajora
Banned
Supposedly Samsung qned is coming soon, like 2023/2024 and that's an inorganic self emissive display with much higher brightness than oled.
When Samsung display starts selling those panels to Samsung electronics, Sony, Panasonic etc. lg oled can only be the value option and will have to drop prices.
Soodanim
Gold Member
Something about Samsung TVs has always seemed a bit 'off' to me. Samsung can be the king of it all and I'll likely still not get one.
Excess
Member
Unsurprisingly, I think what you'll find is that for people who experience this kind of burn-in, it comes from people who mostly play one game for the majority of their gaming. I often see examples of people who play nothing but FIFA or COD and get this. If these are your playing habits, then don't buy OLED.
Rossco EZ
Member
i have over 500 hours of forza horizon 4 on my c9 though and have no burn in
Putonahappyface
Member
My 2018 LG65C8 hasn't had any burn in issues touch wood. I do watch a mix of content though.
Excess
Member
Well, then you only make me feel better about my OLED baby-sitting habits.
StateofMajora
Banned
Not talking about Samsung tvs, talking about a display technology that Samsung will produce and sell to other companies to use as well.
Like how Sony and panasonic oled tvs just use lg’s oled panel and build around that. I wouldn’t buy a Samsung tv either but a Sony qned tv i’m very excited for.
Kerotan
Member
Burn in is a minor concern but the big problem is the TV is not bright enough for a brighter room vs LCD. And the opposite applies. There's no perfect TV and until it sorts the brightness issue out it won't be the undisputed King.
Pedro Motta
Member
C8 here for 3 years, game everyday on it, not even a small hint of burn in. Stop the FUD. OLED is king and everything else pales in comparison.
Hoddi
Member
Same here. I have 11 years on a plasma and 2.5 years on OLED and both without even a hint of burn-in. I still use the plasma as a console TV in my home office and there's not the tiniest sign of burn-in (even using test images) after all these years.
OLED is going through the same exact nonsense nowadays. I'm hesitant to buy one as a desktop monitor (and don't want to replace the plasma) but there's no question that I'll be getting an OLED once the old TV dies on me.
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I'll still say that 42ms vs 52ms matters absolutely nothing and especially not with a gamepad. Some gamers just think they have superhuman reflexes and that their fingers move at lightspeed.
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Traxtech
Member
OLED is great but they need to find a way to implement increased motion resolution without any input lag hit that isn't BFI.
It should be doable but no one is doing it, something along the lines of Samsung game motion plus so 30fps content doesn't feel like a jitter fest
It should be doable but no one is doing it, something along the lines of Samsung game motion plus so 30fps content doesn't feel like a jitter fest
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StateofMajora
Banned
Game motion plus adds input lag on Samsung. If interpolation came to game mode on oled it would also introduce lag.
Btw, on sony bravia lcd there is no input lag hit with BFI due to the backlight, but on oled CX, A8h and newer, there is an 8ms lag hit for 120hz bfi.
Bfi is issue free in a dark room in sdr, even on oled.
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The Pleasure
Member
We don't want no Critical Race Theory TEEVEES. We want PLASMA TV. Infuse that sweet sweet plasma into my veins!
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Basically OLED butn is real and possible, but if you want the overall best TV for everything it’s an LG OLED. Best in class for gaming.
just consider getting the burn in warranty if you are playing one type of game for hundreds of hours that has static images.
also don’t use it as a pc monitor unless you are doing things like removing the taskbar and using an all black back ground.
if you are using it for general viewing, few hours of tv, few hours of gaming you are a
l good and gonna have a great experience.
I couldn’t go back to LED after owning the OLED and I genuinely have no bias. I just straight think that OLED looks better. Imo.
just consider getting the burn in warranty if you are playing one type of game for hundreds of hours that has static images.
also don’t use it as a pc monitor unless you are doing things like removing the taskbar and using an all black back ground.
if you are using it for general viewing, few hours of tv, few hours of gaming you are a
l good and gonna have a great experience.
I couldn’t go back to LED after owning the OLED and I genuinely have no bias. I just straight think that OLED looks better. Imo.
SkylineRKR
Member
I've had a NeoPDP for approx 10 years without a single burn in. My OLED is about a year and nothing yet. But don't keep it hanging on a test screen overnight.
GymWolf
Member
I have almost 600 hours on mhw between console and pc and no burn in.
s-bojan
Banned
You are not, I've got it on my B7.
Did not stop me from buying C1.
A.Romero
Member
captainclutch777
Member
Anyone complaining about burn in on modern OLEDs is just showing how tech illiterate they are. The new models don’t burn in unless its a defective panel or you literally leave it on CNN full brightness all day every day.
The gaming performance is unreal at 4K 120hz on an LG 65” OLED. Waiting for the 42” to replace my monitor.
The gaming performance is unreal at 4K 120hz on an LG 65” OLED. Waiting for the 42” to replace my monitor.
GymWolf
Member
Call the burn unit.gif
skneogaf
Member
I remember when I changed from crt to lcd and I wasn't happy but I believed from the companies that lcd was better so I kept it.
I wish I kept the 19" crt.
My 65" lg oled is amazing at 120hz it really is but its an older C9 so doesn't do black frame insertion at 120hz when I hear is even better.
Linus said he saw future TVs at possibley lg in a tour there and he said the new TV types in the future will be much better than what we have nowadays but wasn't allowed to say what the designs were.
I wish I kept the 19" crt.
My 65" lg oled is amazing at 120hz it really is but its an older C9 so doesn't do black frame insertion at 120hz when I hear is even better.
Linus said he saw future TVs at possibley lg in a tour there and he said the new TV types in the future will be much better than what we have nowadays but wasn't allowed to say what the designs were.
A.Romero
Member
Burn-in unit (missed chance, dude).
Intoxicate
Member
Waiting for Micro LEDs. Don't like the OLED screens I testes, always looked a bit too comic style to me. Have an olde Sony 75XC9405 which has nice black levels and also nice grey levels. Playing with lights on I don't need complete black.
That's said, crappy LCDs are really bad and I wouldn't want another LCD screen with bad color gamut or lack of local dimming.
That's said, crappy LCDs are really bad and I wouldn't want another LCD screen with bad color gamut or lack of local dimming.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Everyone ignores one major fact and that is price vs utility. Average gaming consumer will never afford or waste money on an oled, it just isnt worth it. When theres so many great cheap gaming monitors for pros and casuals alike the incentive to drop so much cash on an oled drops significantly. Burn in or not, IPS, TN and VA as well have at least one major issue( ghosting on vas, bleed on ips, color accuracy on tn, etc.). Let me know when a new type of screen display with no known flaws and friendly price drops on the market and then I'll be be interested. Until then there is no best monitor. They all have pros and cons, just depends on what you're looking for.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
People still FUDing about burn-in? Just buy an OLED guys, join the superior team.
AGRacing
Member
I have zero on the C9... game every day. Zero burn in.
However... I DO NOT use it as a frickin' computer monitor like the second guy in that search result... and I wouldn't leave CNN or something with a semi permanent scroll at the bottom all day like it is next to the check-in counter at the airport.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Closing in on 4 years of near-daily use of my 65", not a spec of burn-in.
Been using a 55" as a PC monitor for a year including hundreds of hours of WoW. Drive responsibly and you won't crash.
Offtopic but Porcupine Tree reunion is some of the better news I heard this year.
Been using a 55" as a PC monitor for a year including hundreds of hours of WoW. Drive responsibly and you won't crash.
Offtopic but Porcupine Tree reunion is some of the better news I heard this year.
Kenpachii
Member
Depends on what u consider extreme.
Watching 600 hours of tv a year is extreme for me, for somebody else it could be done in a month or two already. My oled tv basically only gets used for what 100 hours a year at best. However my monitor for my PC is on 21 hours a day, with probably 12 of that actually displaying something then a black screen. These oled screens will burn in hard as even that guy in that video has burn in after 800 hours and pc is riddled with static screens which is what linus shows on his video is something i 100% expect to happen.
Oled is great, if you don't use it much, or use it limited, or got money enough to drop a new screen in once in a while.
But the main issue currently for PC oled has
1) burn in
2) price ( 1k+ starting is way to high )
3) size ( way to big for desks )
4) to high resolution ( 4k not much people care for )
5) low hz ( higher hz is probably faster burn in )
Oled needs some serious tooling to be considered useful in the PC space that is.
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GymWolf
Member
I think that majority of people that buy and oled as pc monitor is mostly people who doesn't work on pc and they use the tv for gaming\internet browsing\yt\mediaplayer.
I can't even imagine placing a 55" screen or bigger on a desk and use it as a classic monitor for offce work unless you really are enamoured with big screens...
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Mister Wolf
Member
My C7. A TV not even 6 years old that I paid over $2000 for with a big burn-in shit stain in the middle of the screen amongst others. You can listen to these dudes in here try to downplay burn-in if you want.
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Shmunter
Member
Looks like a skid mark I once observed on my Ferrari red ball huggers. You can imagine my surprise.
My C7. A TV not even 6 years old that I paid over $2000 for with a big burn-in shit stain in the middle of the screen amongst others. You can listen to these dudes in here try to downplay burn-in if you want.
Mister Wolf
Member
You see the taskbar icons on the bottom? Did me using it as a computer monitor count as "excessive use"?
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Shmunter
Member
Yeah, I’m weary of Oled for that reason. Also I imagine brightness degradation with use.
I would never consider a secondhand oled, and I expect most would feel the same.
Rea
Member
C1 is not overall better than A80j, both has pros and cons. Of coz LG destroys sony in gaming department, Sony destroys LG in Image quality. Currently XR chips are the best Image processors for handling HDR and upscaling. With the Reality Creation(Super resolution processing in Sony tvs) enabled in game mode, those with lower native resolution can look sharp and have more details.
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This.
You have your control pad with 3ms input lag (DS4), and a TV with 10ms in game mode, plus 16ms in rendering. But the game take additional 4/5 frames to register your input (SF5).
TIMSTER_777
Member
Ok here is the solution to reduce burn in for the OLED tvs...
Play varied content and for the love of God, please do not watch cable tv news on these TVs. Those bars at the bottom will fuck you over.
Play varied content and for the love of God, please do not watch cable tv news on these TVs. Those bars at the bottom will fuck you over.
Mister Wolf
Member
Or just buy the best LCD TV in your price range and consider OLED a flawed technology.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Main reason is that they weren’t eco-friendly tech.
For CRTs, size and weight are the reason people got rid of them as soon as affordable LCDs were available, even if image quality was bad. I don’t think it’d be physically possible to reproduce the tech in a box that’s as flat as a LCD’s.
Plasma was dim, and I remember people mentioning that it wouldn’t basically be possible to make them bigger than they got in their final years, and possibly something about the resolution not being upgradable beyond 1080p. Plasma was also prone to retention and burn-in.
They had seriously terrible geometry. I remember wanting one so badly, then I actually saw a newscast on one such TV in a store and the box at the bottom of the screen was so curved you wouldn’t believe it.
Anyway, until motion gets improved somehow for LCD and OLED, they’ll both be inferior to CRT and plasma for motion. 60fps camera pannings are far from clear on OLED, and anything below that visibly stutters. If that’s a dealbreaker only you can decide, but there’s this elephant in the room that makes the matter of sheer IQ mostly irrelevant to me. 60fps on a CRT is visibly different from 60fps on a OLED in terms of perceived smoothness and clarity.
ethomaz
Banned
Or just buy OLED and use it like you want without overthink about these useless dicussion.
That is what I did and so far no burn-in.
You can use OLED as PC monitor.Lg literally put g-sync/freesync in their tv.
Neogaf: oled are not meant to be used as pc monitor
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Mister Wolf
Member
I did the same as you. Look what happened. OLED is Icarus flying too close to the sun with wax wings.
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