Ascend
Member
Let me guess. "My own opinion" should be the same as yours...
All you've thrown out are tantrums and labels. Nothing of substance. If that is all you have, it is better for all of us if you go post elsewhere.
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All you've thrown out are tantrums and labels. Nothing of substance. If that is all you have, it is better for all of us if you go post elsewhere.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Let me guess. "My own opinion" should be the same as yours...
You have not denied that you never owned an nvidia card.
Differently from you. I've owned both, recently. I'm very familiar with what offers the best drivers, and it isn't even on the same planet, really.
Zathalus
Member
I've frequented the various forums and the AMD/Nvidia subreddits for years, and the RDNA driver situation at one point was pretty bad, bad enough that tech youtubers called AMD out on it and AMD stated that they will do better. For example:
When AMD drivers are good, they are good. But they seem to have these certain periods (mostly around a new arch launch) in which they suck quite a bit.
I'll give AMD credit though, they are really good at pushing new driver features and the driver UI is damn slick when compared to Nvidia, which somehow still looks like it is running on Windows XP at times.
GymWolf
Member
I always heard about shitty drivers for amd gpu\cpu, can someone explain to me in details why they are so bad? Especially for cpus, what are the common problems?
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Ellery
Member
Ok I will concede this point since I haven't used an RDNA card so I obviously can't talk from personal experience in that regard. The last AMD driver I used was from May/June 2019, but I have see the "AMD has bad driver" being brought up a lot and well before that and it is extremely exaggerated to a point where it doesn't make sense or people think that they can't play games
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The Skull
Member
They're normally ropey around new architecture launches. Ryzen 1 had some teething issues, same as Vega and navi but the issues are normally addressed.
This is what gave AMD their "fine wine" reputation. Their products normally "age" better because the drivers are fixed over time rather than being the best at launch.
As someone who has used both vendors extensively I've always found that AMD driver issues are overplayed hysterically, whilst Nvidia ones are swept under the rug and not talked about like they don't exist.
Both vendors have issues but AMD's are certainly more prevalent it seems.
I'm one of the lucky few that have used both vendors without issues.
Zathalus
Member
Is it exaggerated? Certainly, but is has a basis in fact. Sure Nvidia has also had it's fair share of issues, but AMD has made a ton of mistakes with RDNA drivers.
I will grant you that for the majority of the Polaris lifecycle the drivers were good.
But to go on a tangent, AMDs drivers issues is only one of the problems they face when it comes to launching new cards. The major issue I feel is the utterly shit coolers the reference cards launch with. You would think after 10 years and Nvidia changing their act would give them a freaking clue, but no. They still released blower style cards, and you had to wait several months for AIB cards. The R9 290x and R9 390x cards were bloody amazing cards for their time, hamstrung by driver issues at launch and frankly terrible coolers.
Hence the meme that AMD has bad drivers and runs hot and loud.
The 80 CU RDNA 2 16GB card can be a monster, but if the drivers are not up to snuff, and they use another terrible reference design, then Nvidia is just going to stomp them again.
Ascend
Member
Well, I have. Not that you care.
Good for you. Your fanaticism doesn't exactly make you a reliable source of information.
Ellery
Member
I agree a lot with this. The drivers hold back the actual performance of those cards. I owned an R9 290X for many years (Sapphire Tri X OC) and just like with the 7970 the drivers at first didn't optimize games enough.
Though I never had any problems with an AMD driver crashing or game unable to be played due to it.
Ascend
Member
It should also be noted that back then, you would get maybe two or three drivers every year. That was definitely not up to snuff.
Right now, they are releasing drivers pretty much every month to keep up with new games. Not to mention back then they had to contend with the atrocity that was gameworks, but that's another story for another time.
The point is... There have been many advances and improvements with their drivers, they have overhauled their software each year since Polaris, but, no one is giving them credit for that.
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GymWolf
Member
I asked because a ryzen is probably gonna be my new cpu if intel runs similar but cost more.
But i'm a lazy, noob pc gamer and i don't wanna waste time searching fix for amd(or nvidia) driver bullshits.
I want something that just work without maintenance on my part.
Intel already pissed me off with these security problems in their cpu and the fix patch who lowered the performances, they need to do something great to make me buy another one of their cpus.
Ellery
Member
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
It's funny that you'd call someone else on "fanaticism" when you're here to try to defend AMD's drivers (while bringing up anecdotal sensationalist stuff to back up your lack of arguments). That's something pretty much only a fanatic would do.
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Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Ryzen is perfectly fine. Software support is completely different on the CPU side.
jonnyp
Member
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
When you know you can't compete... don't.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Announcements of announcements
notseqi
Member
Vega56, smooth sailing. I switched back and forth before that, will stick to AMD, I embraced the fanboy life.
The Skull
Member
Can confirm. I absolutely love my 3700x and got it for a steal at £220.
GymWolf
Member
Good to know.
Oh wait a sec, is my memory fucked or motherboard for amd cpus have problem with some ram brands\models? Like compatibility problems?! I heard that when i choose my current 8600k instead of taking a ryzen a couple of years ago...
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00_Zer0
Member
I'd like to know too. I have pretty much decided on getting an RTX 3080 at launch(if I'm fast enough before they run out), but if AMD could give me information before the 17th about their newest cards maybe it would change my mind on a few conditions.
1. They have a card close in performance to the RTX 3080.
2. Offer their own form of DLSS 2.0 that is as good as Nvidia's.
3. Raytracing that doesn't eat into the performance of the card like Nvidia's 20 series did.
Since I doubt any of those conditions can be met and AMD will be late for the party anyway I'm going team green this time.
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jonnyp
Member
I think
Abriael_GN
diagnosed it correctly. If they had upcoming products that could compete they would have announced them already. Otherwise the people in charge of their Radeon division and PR are utterly incompetent.
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Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Back then ryzen had issues with memory over 3,200 mhz. Now these issues are solved on the newer CPUs, but the sweet spot for ryzen remains between 3,000 and 3,600 mhz. I wouldn't go higher with any system anyway.
Just make sure the memory you're getting is explicitly supported by your mobo, and you're fine, but again, I'd do the same with any system regardless of brand.
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Mister Wolf
Member
Unknown Soldier
Member
Haha 10/28. Is this what throwing in the towel looks like?
At least Zen 3 looks like it's going to be amazing.
At least Zen 3 looks like it's going to be amazing.
00_Zer0
Member
Yeah, Newegg just had a sale on 32(2x16) Meg's of Corsair Vengeance XMP 3600 MHz ram meant for Intel, and I picked them up for my Ryzen system. I just went into my Asus Tuf X570 Gaming plus mobo and changed to DOCP and selected 3600 MHz, and ram is running great without any hitches.
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GymWolf
Member
yeah when i bough my current ram i readed that more than 3200 mhz was uselles most of the times.
i don't know if this will change when ddr5 comes out...
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Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
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DonMigs85
Member
Yeah had that issue, you have to run DDU then clean install the drivers.
Yeah, tried multiple times, seems that the new driver does not play nicely with X299. I rolled back to the 2019 driver that I had downloaded befor and it works.
I usually buy high end and keep one lower end system in case I sell all of the other PCs (left with 1 office PC and the low end system to feed my touch screen "arcade" at the moment). I replace my hardware every half a year or so, I know people working in system building companies and attend auctions to get hardware for cheap - flipping PCs is a hobby that allows me to essentially upgrade my hardware without spending a penny (actually making quite a bit of extra cash).
It's difficult to do that with mid range hardware (investment to profit is not quite there).
Definitely true, what is with AMD and bad drivers? It’s always a thing for them.
I’m so wary of Team Red GPUs that even if on paper they come out with something amazing - stability and drivers will always come to the forefront.
Ascend
Member
I never said AMD has zero driver problems. And more importantly, I'm not the one saying only side has problems...It's funny that you'd call someone else on "fanaticism" when you're here to try to defend AMD's drivers (while bringing up anecdotal sensationalist stuff to back up your lack of arguments). That's something pretty much only a fanatic would do.
Oct 28th is kind of late, especially if they claim they will release the graphics cards before the consoles. Oh well. At least it's still this year, rather than late next year.
The first generation of Ryzen CPUs were finicky with memory. They did work, but became unstable very quickly above 2933 MHz. The subsequent processors resolved that.
There is barely any difference in software between the Radeon GPU and the Ryzen CPU side. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Just like everyone cherrypicks their news sources for Radeon driver issues and bully me for doing the same for nVidia, here's one for their CPUs;
AMD fix for Ryzen chipset issues reportedly causes new more worrying problems
Such as increased CPU power consumption allegedly
www.techradar.com
It's not a mass problem, and nothing to really worry about. Same for their GPUs, same for nVidia's GPUs, and the same for Intel chipsets and motherboards.
People get angry when you criticize nVidia. It's basically the same as trying to criticize Jesus in front of a Christian, or criticizing women in front of feminists. As The Skull already mentioned above, AMD's issues are overblown and nVidia's are swept under the rug.
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notseqi
Member
Not that I know of, Ryzen was already advertised for as high Mhz in RAM as possible.
It's a bit of the 'I decided to buy this, so it's the best'-mentality. For sure Nvidia has been ruling GPUs a fair bit but people buying mid-tier can't complain about performance and pricing from AMD.
mitchman
Gold Member
Not with Zen 2, that was with previous CPUs.
