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News Virtua Fighter X eSport announced

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Virtua Fighter is universally balanced more than any other 3D fighter. I hope this is VF6 with proper networking features, and all the modes they gutted from VF5 to the Final Showdown revision.

Put it on PC and consoles with cross-play. Allow cosmetic mods and DLC in a marketplace. Support it with tournaments.
 
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fucking hype, i hope it's a f2p gaas so the game can resuscitate and have long legs.
If they make it full price, good luck with that.

Edit: Oh yeah, and add an amazing tutorial and training mode, those are needs at the begining, if they go the GaaS route they can roll out content as season updates and whatnot, you have to hook up all those casual players first.
 
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Virtua Fighter was the original and Tekken copied it. A poor copy at that. Gameplay wise: Virtua Fighter takes skill to master and be good. Tekken is a button masher.

I doubt you know anything about VF and clearly nothing about Tekken.
I play both series over 23 years and they are as different as they can be now an that doesn't mean either one is easier or has less depth. I takes many years to be good at Tekken.

Person who says Tekken is a copy of VF just proves that has never really played any of the two to an actual decent level of understanding. Basic stuff like sidestep system, throw, staggers, ground tech, defense options and button buffering, oki system and many other technicalities are so drastically different that only utter noobs can have the ignorance to even compare the two on other than superficial level.
 
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Esports nah it's not even close to a sport. Competitive yeah but not a sport.


Anything Virtua Fighter is good tho

Esport is already a thing. What cave are you from?
 
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you can’t real pick a character and do cool stuff by mashing button like in tekken. (I am talking about casual players)
Jackie, sarah, el blaze, brad, pai

All beginner friendly "mashy" characters. All 3D fighters have these kind characters. VF isnt an exception.
 

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I expect a modern fighting game to have esports as part of its business model, but when a title is explicitly advertised as an esports collaboration, my enthusiasm diminishes considerably. We'll see what SEGA ultimately offers. Hopefully, some thought will be given to players, who aren't looking to be part of a tournament scene.
 

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I doubt you know anything about VF and clearly nothing about Tekken.
I play both series over 23 years and they are as different as they can be now an that doesn't mean either one is easier or has less depth. I takes many years to be good at Tekken.

Person who says Tekken is a copy of VF just proves that has never really played any of the two to an actual decent level of understanding. Basic stuff like sidestep system, throw, staggers, ground tech, defense options and button buffering, oki system and many other technicalities are so drastically different that only utter noobs can have the ignorance to even compare the two on other than superficial level.

Which is more complex VF or Tekken?
 
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I really hope it's not just a rehash of VF5FS. That game was a let down and wasn't well received in the arcades when it came out in Japan. I don't want to still be left with one of the low points of the series.
 

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I doubt you know anything about VF and clearly nothing about Tekken.
I play both series over 23 years and they are as different as they can be now an that doesn't mean either one is easier or has less depth. I takes many years to be good at Tekken.

Person who says Tekken is a copy of VF just proves that has never really played any of the two to an actual decent level of understanding. Basic stuff like sidestep system, throw, staggers, ground tech, defense options and button buffering, oki system and many other technicalities are so drastically different that only utter noobs can have the ignorance to even compare the two on other than superficial level.
His post reeks of someone who doesnt play or understand fighting games. People who talk about tekken being a button masher and VF being this holy grail dont play it beyond the surface level and are only saying this due to popularity between the games.
 

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Which is more complex VF or Tekken?
Depends on the aspect. VF has more complex moves, more catch throws, more sabakis, guard breaks, stances ect. but Tekken has more complex movement, wavedashes and crouch dashes, iws crouch canceling and hard backdash cancel system, okizeme is also huge part of Tekken even though it was simplified in T7 due to casuals complaining they could get up the floor properly. But VF5FS has also simplified their "closed and open stance" with foot positions which was a big thing in VF2-4 because again casuals couldn't understand that.

on a side note both games have drastically different sidestep system: Tekken has analog sidesteps instead of digital on VF. You can "just frame" sidesteps in VF while in Tekken you can basically cancel any frame of sidestep to anything other.

I'm more of a Tekken guy but I love and appreciate both series because both are fantastic, fascinating and "cool" for a different reasons.

I also wish for Fighting Vipers to come back. Godlike game also, haha.
 

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Which is more complex VF or Tekken?

I would argue that Tekken is more complex and combo driven, but that's because I never really got into them. It's certainly more flashy. It's a different beast than VF is, and I am not into it much at all beyond a superficial level. The last ones I really liked were TTT2 and Tekken 3 on the PS1.

VF has the depth and universal balance to it, it is simple to get into but doesn't play well for those who jump into it expecting to button mash and get fast, fluid results that can win a match. Simplest way to describe it is that half of the gameplay breaks down to rock-paper-scissors between guarding, attacking, and grabbing/throwing; with the range being High/Mid, and Mid/Low for crouched.

The depth comes into it with playing mental games against your opponent, or the switching stance positions to open up more moves to peform (Like, right foot foward has a list of moves, or left foot forward has others to chain into.)

3 buttons and a stick is all there is to it, and once you grasp the basics and actually think and react accordingly, it's fun for beginners.

The closest thing to it for comparison is DOA. DOA is a VF clone.
 

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This is great news!

I always heard how Virtua Fighter was great and very complex. Bought Virtua Fighter 5 for my PS3 but there wasn't any online and no friends to play. The game was great, sure, but without anyone to play versus I could not experience a good chunk of its deepness.

They released a new version, with online play but I doubt there was too many people playing at the time in my region.

Now it is a new chance for me to get into Virtua Fighter! I will even take the dust from my VF5 to train my Kage-Maru. Need to be ready.

Legit hype here!
 

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I didn't say it wasn't a thing. Shit it's something I don't like. I live in them california caves. You hurt about it that I don't like the term esports

Reactions, mental fortitude, timing, etc etc - all these things are necessary to win consistently at fighting games. Athletes need the same traits too, and also the physical traits. Just because Esports aren't physically demanding doesn't mean it can't be considered a type of sport i.e. Esports.
 
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I can't wait to play literal polygon game with edges and 30fps movement with slow jumping in 2020. ,
 

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Depends on the aspect. VF has more complex moves, more catch throws, more sabakis, guard breaks, stances ect. but Tekken has more complex movement, wavedashes and crouch dashes, iws crouch canceling and hard backdash cancel system, okizeme is also huge part of Tekken even though it was simplified in T7 due to casuals complaining they could get up the floor properly. But VF5FS has also simplified their "closed and open stance" with foot positions which was a big thing in VF2-4 because again casuals couldn't understand that.

on a side note both games have drastically different sidestep system: Tekken has analog sidesteps instead of digital on VF. You can "just frame" sidesteps in VF while in Tekken you can basically cancel any frame of sidestep to anything other.

I'm more of a Tekken guy but I love and appreciate both series because both are fantastic, fascinating and "cool" for a different reasons.

I also wish for Fighting Vipers to come back. Godlike game also, haha.
If you compare the latest entries I would say Tekken 7 is more complex and difficult to understand than VF5FS. Sega tried to go further than Namco in trying to make the game more accessible but outside of the core players nobody actually noticed and many of those core players didn't like what they did. Tekken has more to it's juggle system and walls than VF, the movement system is more complicated and the way sidestep and throws work in Tekken is far harder to get to grips with than in VF. Older VF games were much harder.

VF used to have a really interesting movement system but it's pretty much been stripped down along with some of the other aspects.
That was one of my favourite things about VF3 and 4.
 

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Some of my old gifs from Virtua Fighter 4 Final Tuned. I'm pissed to this day that this stayed in Japan. Some say it's the best VF or equal to VF5FS.

I don't even have a PC that could emulate it. When I tried, it run 1 frame per 2 seconds.



 

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I loved fighting games ever since I played International Karate in 1989. Stuff, I'm guessing, from decades before you were born. I've seen the birth of not only VF and Tekken but also SF2 or Mortal Kombat 1.

People like you are the reason VF so stumbled in popularity outside Japan. Ignorants who think that shitting on other franchises will somehow elevate their feeble egos. Not understanding they're not doing any favors to an actual players or the games (like VF).

There are whole channels dedicated to a single Tekken character. Thousands of Tekken tech videos you would never comprehend.

But why am I even replying to you? You are clearly only listening to that little voice in your head.

Was this post supposed to be directed at me or something? Ive never shitted on anything. I was referring to the person you previously quoted.
 

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VF i


A lot of top players will tell you VF is the most complex fighting series ever. Obviously neither is even remotely simple though. But as reference in VF every character has a different weight so you have to learn different combos to use against each one lmao.
Neither is more complex than the other. Theyre both complex in their own right.
 

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Would be great if sega created new vf targeting only nextgen consoles. Vf has always been known of top tier graphics.
 

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Was this post supposed to be directed at me or something? Ive never shitted on anything. I was referring to the person you previously quoted.
Sorry about that, a thought you meant "him" as in me. I better delete those. Sorry again.
 
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Maybe MS is gonna inject some money into Sega in order to create a brand new Virtua Fighter only to next gen Xbox (and PC) 'cause eSports.

just like some company (which I don't wanna say it's Sony) did to the other one (which I don't wanna say it's Capcom) /s
 

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Esport is already a thing. What cave are you from?

Especially fighting games.

If you don't play fighting games online these days you're missing out. It's dull as shit vs the cpu in comparison.

I'm ready for whatever this is, we are long overdue a VF. I just hope for a PC release.
 
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The real king of the Iron fist tournament...
Which characters and why not VF 6 with a good online mode?
 
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Did Sega conference happen yet? I don't know if they were going to have one at TGS. Was it just announced in the internet or at a conference?

Either way, color me curious, I'm a VF fanatic since I first saw the screenshots at gamepro prior to the first game releasing and I own all version of the game.
 

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Fighter mega mix 2!!!
i am fucking in!
The problem if they want an e-sport fighting game, I don’t see a car, sonic etc.. with VF gameplay.
VF is a very demanding game.
Except maybe for Lei-Fei , you can’t real pick a character and do cool stuff by mashing button like in tekken. (I am talking about casual players)
VF is not a friendly game for beginners.
so if they want a real VS e-sport fighting game, they will stick with classic VF gameplay.
Maybe they can add Kazuma and Goro from yakuza and Ryo, Lan-Di from shenmue To the roster. (It would be amazing♥)

Fighters Megamix was my first video game purchase all by myself lol.
Saved up the pocket money, all the coins in an envelope, counted the days down from like 3 months away from release. Went after school and loved the game. All those secret characters lol. Its sitting 3 metres away from me lol
 

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Fighters Megamix was my first video game purchase all by myself lol.
Saved up the pocket money, all the coins in an envelope, counted the days down from like 3 months away from release. Went after school and loved the game. All those secret characters lol. Its sitting 3 metres away from me lol
Was playing it this week. Man I wish someone would remaster this game.
 

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If you compare the latest entries I would say Tekken 7 is more complex and difficult to understand than VF5FS. Sega tried to go further than Namco in trying to make the game more accessible but outside of the core players nobody actually noticed and many of those core players didn't like what they did. Tekken has more to it's juggle system and walls than VF, the movement system is more complicated and the way sidestep and throws work in Tekken is far harder to get to grips with than in VF. Older VF games were much harder.

VF used to have a really interesting movement system but it's pretty much been stripped down along with some of the other aspects.
That was one of my favourite things about VF3 and 4.
What can I say? People love to take advantage of glitches in fighting games to give them an edge, and when sequels fix those glitches, they call the game dumbed down.
 
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"Virtua Fighter, the world's first 3D fighting game in 1993, will be rebooted first in Japan to celebrate Sega's 60th anniversary. Stay tuned for more news on this one!" Sega's tweet concludes.

"Rebooted" seems to suggest that an old game in the series is being brought back and redone to better fit an eSports environment. However, it could also be a reference to the series' return and pointing to a brand new entry in the franchise.

Interesting. Full reboot? Maybe just called "Virtua Fighter", not "6"?
 

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Did Sega conference happen yet? I don't know if they were going to have one at TGS. Was it just announced in the internet or at a conference?
SEGA doesn't have a specific conference, they're just streaming throughout the show. The VF reveal was part of their Day 1 stream, although, the relevant portion was also broadcast on Tokyo Game Show's own channels.

You should be able to catch all of SEGA's stuff on their Japanese YouTube (link).
 
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SEGA doesn't have a specific conference, they're just streaming throughout the show. The VF reveal was part of their Day 1 stream, although, the relevant portion was also broadcast on Tokyo Game Show's own channels.

You should be able to catch all of SEGA's stuff on their Japanese YouTube (link).

Thanks a lot for the link and info! :)
 

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Can't wait. It's been too long.

Regarding the 'Tekken is n00b-friendly' debate, it helps that it was on PlayStation from day one, in addition to having tons of amazing unlockable content on those discs offering a perceived higher value package. I think the primary difference though is that Tekken has a lot of dramatic wind-ups to its attacks and simple combos from buttons, which are easier for newcomers to visually process/get results with quickly. Tenstrings and unblockables are just sexy as hell the first time you see them.

Which is more complex VF or Tekken?

VF is probably more exhaustively comprehensive in terms of vast libraries of move variations which have incredibly subtle differences, but at a bread-and-butter level, VF is a pretty simple game, with most characters hinging around a handful of individual trademark moves and universal systems. The limitless strategy comes from spacing/orientation and a constant, pure battle of wits. Players can always surprise each other because the pace of the game is lightning fast.

Tekken I think is more complex in terms of the way characters, moves and properties mesh. The execution level is higher. There's a lot to memorise, even just for one character. It's a lot more flowchart-y and methodical.

VF is easy to learn and difficult to master. Tekken is more outwardly appealing and instantly rewarding if all you want to do is hit buttons and walk away having learned little, but if you really want to learn anything worth knowing in Tekken, it's difficult to learn and difficult to master.
 

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Not the way to go about resurrecting it if that means a super barebones game with no fluff in settings/modes. Doesn't even say if it will be a new game or yet another 5fs port/update. But I'll take anything since I'm waiting for those stupid Yakuza games that have 5fs in the arcade to get on PC.
 

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Reactions, mental fortitude, timing, etc etc - all these things are necessary to win consistently at fighting games. Athletes need the same traits too, and also the physical traits. Just because Esports aren't physically demanding doesn't mean it can't be considered a type of sport i.e. Esports.
To each it's own. I grew up on physical sports which demand the whole body to sweat and even now when I train at the gym and box and practice Muay Thai it's just different from a game pressing buttons. Yeah it demands those certain aspects that you wrote, but it's still not a sport. Sports take more than just that. I love fighting games but this or replace it with a controller

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Virtua fighter is dope tho