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[VG Tech] Outriders PS5 and Xbox Series X|S Frame Rate Test
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DJ12
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Thats not an AF difference that close to the camera, it's just plain lower quality textures at that distance.The resolution difference will go unoticed by many but most will definitely notice the sharper looking textures on PS5.
Probs Trilinear filtering, vs 8x AF in the distance, and the shadows at least medium vs high, guess this won't get the full console vs pc treatment from Alex rofl.
It's also not VRS, if it was some parts of it would look fine at random.
Too many variables to claim a winner here, but not point having a higher resolution if it still looks like series X.
Hopefully they fix up the Series X version so they can actually be compared in a meaningful way.
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The Hamburglar
Banned
I dunno ask Xbox gaf. They promised us a 40% delta.
MasterCornholio
Member
I disagree with the steaming assets portion. When John interviewed Bluepoint they talked about the I/O al lot. One of the ways they built their game is around the PS5s asset streaming capabilities. I agree that it probably isn't maxing out the I/O but it did have an impact on the games design. Which the developers mentioned.
Edit: Then there's the UE5 demo which was a good demonstration on what the streaming capabilities are like on the platform.
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captainraincoat
Banned
As much as I think this ones got at least 500 pages to go I can’t wait for the MLB comparison thread and if the series x ends up being better
Avian_Grubber
Neo Member
No I got Xbox live off cdkeys for £30 per year x 3, and upgraded the whole lot for £1. So £91 all in.
Roughly £9 less than what you’d pay to play MLB and Outriders on a PS5 (single player of course, no ps+ for that value)
Either way, there will be claims of fuckery for either version.
Its a game made by Sony devs, a Sony studio.
That is gonna be one of the biggest no win situations of any analysis, probably ever.
I know some of this isnt some folks area of knowledge, I dont claim it to be mine...but this should have been obvious, lol.
There have been some wild posts lately.
You have a good point about the distance. I have never seen someone explain AF differences that close to the camera before.
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Hawking Radiation
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Just want to add that on my Xbox Series S this game loads in like 2 seconds flat in between fast travel points and new sections of the map. I'm in-game almost immediately in any given situations. Love the fact I can skip every single cutscene as well.
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FrankWza
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When I said it was $1 I had half the forum(including alts) coming at me but nobody would say what they paid. Nobody would admit it when the 18 million subs was announced. Now that some new release games are coming, everyone paid $1.I got 3 years for £1 with the upgrade offer
So, when they boast about subs it’s real subs paying full price. When they try to compare against retail priced games on PS it’s free.
They’re reaping the benefits of having paid Msoft all these years of lackluster performance and first party output. They have no choice but to give away games. We all lived through RROD and the xboxone fiascos. They deserve to get something. Besides, they paid for this with all those gold subs that pure profit. I wouldn’t turn down $1 for 3 years of PSNow and it doesn’t even have PS5 games or new releases.
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
You think the camera is in motion in that shot? It’s not.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
You saying it won’t get better than that? As I said there will be massive improvements as we move forward
ethomaz
Banned
You have a point... AF normally doesn’t make difference near the view point... it is more far away that it become evident.
But it is really weird because the scene in the picture seems to be in different quality settings... not just AF.
And before people ask... no it is not SFS... SFS just delivery the same result it is just that the parts of the texture not used by the render (not visible) is not streamed.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
HoofHearted
Member
Same with my XSX - reminds me of same experience with Spider-Man and MM on my PS5.
The transitions between cutscenes and actual gameplay are very smooth with no (or sometimes minimal) loading times.
Only issue I’ve had so far is some tearing on cutscenes (not gameplay) which is weird.
ethomaz
Banned
The camera is actually not moving there... so it is not motion blur.
But if what you say is true then that left us with one more option guess... streaming issues... the textures is not being fully loaded to be displayed so when it ends the streaming you get the picture like PS5 but when it is not loaded in time you get the situation in the picture posted here.
Maybe that?
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ethomaz
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Welcome to what PS5 users are experiencing since launch
HoofHearted
Member
Possibly - I did notice some delayed texture loading on the character select screen when I first started the game. But I also started the game mid download (“Ready to start”). I’ll have to find the section of the game where these screenshots are noted in this thread.
Chessmate
Banned
As you say: It's one picture, not the whole game. Digital Foundry will clear this up. Would be really surprised though if this lack of detail was a general issue, especially since nobody noted it so far (also not in the demo, as far as I remember).
Significantly higher resolution on XSX on the other hand (with equal performance) is a plain and simple fact. And Outriders is just one of many games recently with a higher res on XSX, so we definitely see a trend here.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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PS5 wins
DJ12
Member
What you talking about Willis?
Same issue present in the demo also.
Series X worse filtering and worse shadows for starters, only lower quality ground textures wasn't spotted before, but they are probably still there, but just filled under better filtering on PS5 when it's more than that.
Unlikely they made it worse since the demo.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
so you didn’t believe them, but now you expect it?
TBiddy
Member
Don't feed the troll. It's a waste of your time.
there's nothing that the ps5 can do that xsx can't do ... before you accept it before you will live better
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FranXico
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You got it backwards, AF was often disabled in early PS4 versions of games.IIRC MS tools had issues with proper anistropy filtering. The blur affected One X back in the days vs PS4p.
Riky
$MSFT
Pretty much, I was playing it last night. We need some more screens to check.
na , stop with this shit everytime there's an clear advantage for the xbox version. and on top of this the game is 9.99 (gp) on xbox and 69,99 on ps5
Stuart360
Member
Its obviously true, and not a doctored screen or anything, VGTech wouldnt do that.
Having said that, i watched a vid last night, by someone comparing both versions on seperate screens, and he thought the textures looked better on XSX. He owns both consoles, but admits he prefers Playstation.
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Physiognomonics
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Yes it was in the demo and it was already noticed by plenty of people (some saying PS5 looked higher res) including VGTech. Digital Foundry missed it in the demo but they often "miss" plenty of things in their faceoffs this gen, usually when it gives the edge to PS5. Or they say it's a "bug" like in their Watchdogs Legion article and as such they don't include it when comparing both versions as in "it's a bug, they'll patch it out later, for this comparison we'll just pretend they have the same level of AF".
Yes they were not doing the same in the start of previous gen when AF was better on XB1, they never once said it could be a bug on PS4 and they were writing long paragraphs about how the grounds looked lower res on PS4 and it looked so much better on XB1, almost always using the biggest AF difference they found in their screenshots.
But for this gen they just pretend the difference doesn't exit. "There is no spoon".
there is difference ..the xsx run at much higher resolution with the same performance. this is the clear difference
longdi
Banned
sorry my old mind is forgetful or i didn't pay too much attention to ps4p vs xonex.
anyway this is just AF, surely a simple patch to turn it on is simpler than upping the resolution
Physiognomonics
Member
But it renders the ground textures at like half the resolution and the game often looks higher resolution on PS5. And usually it renders at <20% higher resolution on XSX which is not "much higher".
Just look at the pics provided by VGTech. Does the game look like it renders at "much higher" resolution on XSX? Just do it, compare the screenshots.
FranXico
Member
You are talking as if the generation started with PS4Pro and Xbox One X.sorry my old mind is forgetful or i didn't pay too much attention to ps4p vs xonex.
The AF issue impacted the original PS4.
Cyborg
Member
Ok, sorry mister. Sigh...
this is just fantasyland territory bs for those who seem hurt by the result of the comparison
I've said this hundreds of times more and people would do better to accept that very, very likely going forward in the gen the xsx will always perform a little better.
It will be enough that devs become familiar with the machines
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it is what it is
It's the exact opposite actually. Every SX game should be able to run on PS5, at a slightly lower res, but not every PS5 game can run properly without affecting the core gameplay experience on SX once the SSD is fully utilized. Same goes for texture streaming. One is just graphics, the other is gamedesign. Let's hypothetically say Rift Apart uses the full SSD speed (which I don't expect it does) with the nearly instant warping between level segments and complete levels. SX won't be able to do that without longer loading and crippling the game's pacing.
I think it's more interesting that devs seem to be keep pushing res on X while it clearly gets in the way of framerate or in this case, texture detail. PS5 has better IQ while the framerate is nearly identical. I almost get the feeling MS is demanding a higher res in some games at the cost of other stuff. I've seen a lot of people evangelizing resolution, as if it is the absolute indicator of how good a game looks. They can't be more wrong. The best looking games aren't even close to native 4K.
longdi
Banned
sorry pcmr here
but i have a flashing remembrance that ps4 had AF issues vs one, while the case got flipped with ps4p v onex
guess im wrong.
Lol. The only one hurt seems to be you. Anyone can see the extra detail PS5 offers. We literally have screen shots. You seem to ignore the fact PS5 literally performs better in practically every game?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
$9.99 every 30 days and $59 not $69 to own on both XSX and PS5.
Physiognomonics
Member
OK so you won't do it. Got it. Just look at the theoretical resolutions and avoid actually comparing the end result then. I am pretty sure the XSX could render at a even higher resolution if they completely removed the textures altogether, what do you think? As long as the resolution of geometry is higher, that's better, right?
looking at the specs i don't see how texture steaming it won't be the same or better on the xsx, it's irritating how you have to take everything cerny says word for word and gloss over all the features cited by the xbox engineers. 560 gb/s bw and sfs that according to what the console engineers say will allow you to load 1/3 of the data that would usually be needed on 1 other gpu to load the same texture (because you have to load the entire MIP) they will be enough to do everything necessary and it will be seen during the gen
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you get also mbl21 per those 9.99 and then you have to add another 69.99 on ps5 yeah it work like this
Schmick
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Your latest threads do not mention AF/IQ once... why are you ignoring it or at least not questioning it? I'll like to know for sure. I'll like to see a Twit from the developer saying why this is happening.
Its plain to see, you cant avoid it except you are trying really hard to.
Forget resolution for a moment. Forget the price of the game on PS vs Game pass. You can see clearly that the image quality in the current build of the game is worse on the XSX version. Why cant you admit that. This place would be a whole lot better if people except that sometimes their precious machines do not perform as well as you expect. There can be a reason for that of course. But its frustrating you are not questioning why its happening except trying to perpetuate warring.
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Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Can wait to try out Vaseline mode.
After that, I’ll play Outriders on XSX.
After that, I’ll play Outriders on XSX.
i have the game and there's nothing blurry in it. like literally you can see every grain of sand in the ground. As far as I'm concerned it's a state a way of the outlet to archive some parity between platforms and leave everyone happy.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Trolling?
It's not $69.99 and this thread isn't about MLB21.
I don't think those screenshots reflect the game's texture difference. is it clearer that way?