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VERGE:Phil Spencer told Sony back in January that Microsoft would keep Call of Duty on PlayStation for “several years” after current deal

Topher

Gold Member
Will play all their games on Xbox

If You Say So Ok GIF by Bounce
 

Begleiter

Neo Member
Seems a pretty coherent strategy - it makes sense to wait out this gen and deny the competition out the gate when it's time for new hardware, make it a big part of the marketing that they're the only place to go for CoD etc. Stops people defaulting to PS6.
 

FergusFrost

Member
With Bethesda he was clear that they will look at games on a case by case basis.

With Activision he has very clearly stated he will keep CoD (and maybe other) new games on PS platforms too.

Comparatively Bungie and Sony have been vague about which platforms they'll continue to make games for.

Phil is no saint but he is hardly to blame for half the stuff people throw at him, especially as other figureheads say similar or even more vague stuff.

They haven't been vague at all.

https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/50988

"We remain in charge of our destiny. We will continue to independently publish and creatively develop our games. We will continue to drive one, unified Bungie community. Our games will continue to be where our community is, wherever they choose to play."

Stop bullshitting.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They haven't been vague at all.

https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/50988

"We remain in charge of our destiny. We will continue to independently publish and creatively develop our games. We will continue to drive one, unified Bungie community. Our games will continue to be where our community is, wherever they choose to play."

Stop bullshitting.

I appreciate the enthusiasm but nowhere does it say Bungie games will continue coming to Xbox forever, like how the poster I quoted initially wanted Phil to commit about Call of Duty being on PS forever.

In neither of your articles, mind you.

Please @ me when such a statement is found to rub it in my face.
 

FergusFrost

Member

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?

xHunter

Member
Ctrl+f "Xbox"

No results found.

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Let me remind you, this is where this started:



I have yet to find this mythical Sony statement about keeping Bungie games on Xbox forever by name.
Dude, stop being so dense. You even said yesterday that they only mentioned Xbox for Destiny 2 and now another user is showing that the same goes for future release. They never mentioned PC too, does that mean future Bungie titles wont come to pc?
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Dude, stop being so dense. You even said yesterday that they only mentioned Xbox for Destiny 2 and now another user is showing that the same goes for future release. They never mentioned PC too, does that mean future Bungie titles wont come to pc?

Doesn't it make more sense that with their renewed PC push, acquiring Nixxess and such, "multi platform" means PC and PS5 ?

They've quite directly said as much:


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I'm not being any more or less dense than all the stuff people say about Phil here and it seems to be handwaved.
 
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xHunter

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Doesn't it make more sense that with their renewed PC push, acquiring Nixxess and such, "multi platform" means PC and PS5 ?

They've quite directly said as much:


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I'm not being any more or less dense than all the stuff people say about Phil here and it seems to be handwaved.
Funny enough you even accepted the same article as a confirmation of the Bungie games coming to xbox, but this somehow changed.
Somehow i've never seen that article before.

Thanks!

You are extremely dense since you seem to have changed your mind based on peoples take about Spencers word (which i guess makes some sense considering your tag)
 

xHunter

Member
Man is desperate to seem like he has a point lmao
I know right, even if you consider that he had the same talking point months ago and got linked to the same interview, which he accepted. But what can you expect from someone who thinks that the UK Gov got their talking points from Jim Ryan.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Funny enough you even accepted the same article as a confirmation of the Bungie games coming to xbox, but this somehow changed.

I love that you quoted the post where I'm thanking the person for sharing the article as a gotcha :messenger_grinning_sweat:

You are extremely dense since you seem to have changed your mind based on peoples take about Spencers word (which i guess makes some sense considering your tag)

I also love that you are accepting the vague, platform-less, wording from the Ryan article but when Spencer directly names platforms, it's bullshit :messenger_grinning_sweat:

It literally says “whatever platform they are on.”

I don't know why I have to keep remind folks, the post quote where this started is someone who demanded Spencer to say, by name, that CoD will remain on PS platforms forever, in a topic where the same thing is said in the OP anyway.

Nothing in any of the bungie articles shared above says anything similar about platforms by name.

It is no different than Bethesda games being cited as "first and best on xbox" which was later recanted to "case by case basis".


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Anyway, this is a moot discussion. The poster who originally made the demands was asked to post the article where Bungie said what they claimed has stopped posting, I'm not going to further bother with this as clearly there's no evidence of it.

The fact that we know now, and not from post quotes from months ago, is that Phil has sent a signed document to sony that he will keep CoD on PS platforms for years.
 
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xHunter

Member
I love that you quoted the post where I'm thanking the person for sharing the article as a gotcha :messenger_grinning_sweat:



I also love that you are accepting the vague, platform-less, wording from the Ryan article but when Spencer directly names platforms, it's bullshit :messenger_grinning_sweat:

Its not a "gotcha" moment, its just stating the fact that you already had the same discussion where someone showing you the same interview was enought to convince you. You have never talked about it again until, surprise, when the UK Government had its doubts on this deal. This looks like some fake "outrage" coming from you.

Also, not once have i said that Spencers words were bullshit regarding the platforms. Nice try, i guess?
 
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reinking

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Also, not once have i said that Spencers words were bullshit regarding the platforms. Nice try, i guess?
Phil's words are ironclad when it comes to this. He has no choice. Where I find Phil's words to fall short is when he says one thing and actions go a different direction. I was one of the people that got laugh emoji'ed by a certain group when I thought CoD would stay on Playstation indefinitely based on how much money it would generate for MS. We are starting to see that it will only be on there as long as it is contractually obligated. I am tired of falling for the "awe-shucks, I want games on all platforms" Phil talk. I'm good if he wants to keep games Xbox exclusive. Just stop pretending to be an advocate for open platform gaming so I can stop falling for it.
 

SSfox

Member
I mean they don't have choice anyway, FTC wouldn't have allow the Acti purchase, also COD without Playstation will just cut more than half sales.
 

Louay

Member
basically what he saying they will get data from this gen and decide later at the end for exclusivity, phil needs more aggressive moves.

as for Sony what should do this gen ? is to find their golden goose and no it doesn't happen to be cod clone or FPS. they should have the mindset PS Without COD and learn to survive
 

Zathalus

Member
To be fair, game developers say a lot of stuff that turns out to be bullshit. This game will never have microtransactions, no buying power in the store shop, all future Halo games will have split-screen co-op, Mass Effect ending won't be a A, B, or C choice. The list goes on.

If the next big Bungie game in a few years launches and is PS5/PC exclusive, what would the impact realistically be? Some angry youtube and twitter comments? Oh the horror.
 

Leyasu

Banned
To be fair, game developers say a lot of stuff that turns out to be bullshit. This game will never have microtransactions, no buying power in the store shop, all future Halo games will have split-screen co-op, Mass Effect ending won't be a A, B, or C choice. The list goes on.

If the next big Bungie game in a few years launches and is PS5/PC exclusive, what would the impact realistically be? Some angry youtube and twitter comments? Oh the horror.
Nobody’s going to say shit if Bungie go PS/PC only. Which I can totally see happening.
 

FergusFrost

Member
To be fair, game developers say a lot of stuff that turns out to be bullshit. This game will never have microtransactions, no buying power in the store shop, all future Halo games will have split-screen co-op, Mass Effect ending won't be a A, B, or C choice. The list goes on.

If the next big Bungie game in a few years launches and is PS5/PC exclusive, what would the impact realistically be? Some angry youtube and twitter comments? Oh the horror.

Part of the deal was that Bungie are still functionally independent when it comes to development and publishing, meaning its their choice whether they put their games on Xbox or not. With that in mind, I don't see a world where they choose not to.
 
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Sosokrates

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Seems a pretty coherent strategy - it makes sense to wait out this gen and deny the competition out the gate when it's time for new hardware, make it a big part of the marketing that they're the only place to go for CoD etc. Stops people defaulting to PS6.
There ultimate goal would be to get gamepass on PlayStation.

I think Microsoft envision a hardware agnostic future, they would let ps extra/ps app on cloud + Xbox.

Yes some people will choose a PlayStation service over xbox's, but there thinking is if they can grow the installbase into a few billion there enough install base for both Xbox + PlayStation to grow substantially.
 
There ultimate goal would be to get gamepass on PlayStation.

I think Microsoft envision a hardware agnostic future, they would let ps extra/ps app on cloud + Xbox.

Yes some people will choose a PlayStation service over xbox's, but there thinking is if they can grow the installbase into a few billion there enough install base for both Xbox + PlayStation to grow substantially.
I know while Mike Ybarra was still at Xbox those talks about getting Gamepass on PlayStation had happened more than once but Sony was not fond of the idea
 

Sosokrates

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I know while Mike Ybarra was still at Xbox those talks about getting Gamepass on PlayStation had happened more than once but Sony was not fond of the idea
I think the console market will be less important as time goes on. Playing on the big TV at home at a high quality will always be a big part of the Industry and this area will grow, but I think it will head to how Netflix works, device agnostic. When the billions of smartphone players realise they can play console quality games it will draw a lot of them into TV gaming aswell.
The 100 odd million installbase of console as it is now is small sector compared to to the smartphone gaming installbase.

I think it's in Sony's best interests aswell.
If consoles were not a thing and we had steambox like devices, they would sell so many, because it's basically a PC, what's the install base on that? It would be a billion, + smartphones and that's 2 billion?
Having a PC playsation app(which there storefront, portal to play there games) on 500 million devices is better then having 100 million PlayStation consoles.

And Mark Cerny would not necessary be out of a job, Sony Could still make a "PlayStation" but it would just be a subsidiesed PC that's runs windows or whatever OS it turns out to be.

This shift would be hard and there would be going pains but ultimately I think it would be better for the customers and the companies.

Who wants to have to buy multiple computers just to play certain games?
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
There ultimate goal would be to get gamepass on PlayStation.

I think Microsoft envision a hardware agnostic future, they would let ps extra/ps app on cloud + Xbox.

Yes some people will choose a PlayStation service over xbox's, but there thinking is if they can grow the installbase into a few billion there enough install base for both Xbox + PlayStation to grow substantially.

There'll be a game pass app on PS hardware within the next 2 console generations.
 
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Neofire

Member
This is gangsta as shit. He's basically confirming it's going exclusive? Or just that they won't give Xbox any kind feature or content perks until after the agreement? Either way, that tells you his confidence in the deal closing right there.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/2/2...station-letter-commitment-activision-blizzard

“In January, we provided a signed agreement to Sony to guarantee Call of Duty on PlayStation, with feature and content parity, for at least several more years beyond the current Sony contract, an offer that goes well beyond typical gaming industry agreements,” says Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer in a statement to The Verge.
All Phil is doing is saying what the regulators want to hear until the deal is finalized and then we will see his true intentions. People are all eyes of CoD when Activation Blizzard has many other IPs(single player games) that would be just as damaging to the industry if MS makes them Xbox only when they were previously multiplatform.

I give the dude this, he has the gift of silver tongue lol. No way MS green lit almost 70 billion dollar buy out just to make the competition money.
 

reinking

Member
There'll be a game pass app on PS hardware within the next 2 console generations.
I don't see it. If Game Pass becomes so successful that Sony will allow it on a Playstation console I believe it would mean MS has moved away from traditional consoles due to that success.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't see it. If Game Pass becomes so successful that Sony will allow it on a Playstation console I believe it would mean MS has moved away from traditional consoles due to that success.

They're already kinda laying the path for that. A sizable portion of their gaming initiative is on game pass right. In another generation or two it'll be the vast majority. The only way I don't see it happening is if game pass crashes and burns in the next couple of years, which I don't see happening personally.
 

DarkMage619

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There'll be a game pass app on PS hardware within the next 2 console generations.
I actually don't think that makes sense unless it is the exact same program. I don't see Sony allowing MS to let gamers to rent 3rd party titles on Game pass over renting or selling them in their own store. If MS only rented their 1st party titles there really would be no reason for an Xbox console at all and I'd hate to see a console future with only Sony consoles. It would also eliminate the purchase option of Game pass.
 

SenjutsuSage

Halo TV Series Promoter - Live from: Reach
All Phil is doing is saying what the regulators want to hear until the deal is finalized and then we will see his true intentions. People are all eyes of CoD when Activation Blizzard has many other IPs(single player games) that would be just as damaging to the industry if MS makes them Xbox only when they were previously multiplatform.

I give the dude this, he has the gift of silver tongue lol. No way MS green lit almost 70 billion dollar buy out just to make the competition money.

Don't forget that COD and other Activision Blizzard games on Playstation makes Microsoft a crap ton of money also, way more than it would ever make Sony. Then again, I probably shouldn't limit my thoughts to just the basic performance of the Playstation business, but the larger stock performance also. Honestly, Microsoft has all types of options on how to handle the acquisition. One major change that should be made right away regardless of whether it is kept on Playstation, and I'm of an opinion it should be right now, is Microsoft needs to kill that crossplay tax Sony makes companies pay to enable crossplay between Playstation and Xbox. That's a big ass hell to the no.

And if Sony won't budget on that, then all the smiles and mr. nice guy stuff should go right out the window. Sony needs to be forced to change some of their business practices or face consequences for it. Same on Microsoft's end. If they have any dirty moves we don't know about, those need to be exposed and immediately corrected also.
 
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