Actually I believe that it would make more sense for Epic to cooperate with Game Pass. It takes lower fees, has huge marketing budget for the platform (so also free marketing for GP) and IIRC no achievements, so MS could integrate their achievements easier. Overall it would be a win-win situation for both.
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Julius Ibidus
Member
hey where's that one pic of Gabe, you know, 'that' one? it's pretty neat-o!
Holammer
Member
There's already a thread for that discussion, but I'm pretty sure he means Valve products like DOTA2, CS:GO, HL:Alyx and certain Steam services (chat) integrated on Xbox.
An independent Steam Store on consoles is plain nuts.
OptimistPrime
Member
There’s a lot of platform issues to consider. I think they’d still want to be able to push the “Xbox Network”, achievements, cross-save, etc. They also probably want things only on DirectX.
But maybe they can work these issues out with Steam. It’s probably worth a 10% cut or whatever to both parties.
But maybe they can work these issues out with Steam. It’s probably worth a 10% cut or whatever to both parties.
BigBooper
Member
It could be a combination of Valve games and Steam streaming.
Shadowstar39
Member
I have a feeling if this happens it won't be what anyone wants.
This is what I forsee happening if it did:
1. Valve sells gamepass on the steam store.
2. Which ties in the games to having to launch with the microsoft store. Similar to how ubisoft games go to uplay and EA games go through origin.
3. Having it tied to Microsofts shitty store would mean no mod support. And still having to deal with bullshit install process.
It makes no sense to have steam games going through microsofts gamepass. Anyone who thinks that is how it will work using steam integration and workshop support, etc... you are in for a rude awakening. MS doesn't want its games modded. I wouldn't be surpised if TES6 no longer has mods and is a Microsoft store app.
This is what I forsee happening if it did:
1. Valve sells gamepass on the steam store.
2. Which ties in the games to having to launch with the microsoft store. Similar to how ubisoft games go to uplay and EA games go through origin.
3. Having it tied to Microsofts shitty store would mean no mod support. And still having to deal with bullshit install process.
It makes no sense to have steam games going through microsofts gamepass. Anyone who thinks that is how it will work using steam integration and workshop support, etc... you are in for a rude awakening. MS doesn't want its games modded. I wouldn't be surpised if TES6 no longer has mods and is a Microsoft store app.
hangdang69
Member
And who is this? MSFT has a history of running programs (retail stores) in the red simply because they can afford to do it. They don't care about losing money upfront with gamepass because they are sitting on wild amounts of cash and it doesn't matter if it isn't profitable YET
Chukhopops
Member
You can buy EA Play on Steam and use it straight from Steam without the EA launcher, I guess GP would work the same way.
You really think MS will put Forza Horizon on Steam and then not put Elder Scrolls? Maybe there’ll be a temporary exclusive on MS store but that’s it, TES is a long seller and will be on Steam in my opinion.
JLB
Banned
Why not? I'd be similar as it is right now with EA Play IE.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
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JLB
Banned
If MS is "sitting on wild amounts of cash" its basically because it knows how to run businesses, and not "running programs in the red simply because they can afford it".
Oddvintagechap
Member
They are pulling a Sony if true.
Sony sells the streaming rights to their shows/flims to the highest bidder. These streamers lose money trying to gain market share. Sony’s franchises get popular. When the market is established, Sony then pulls all their films and puts them into their small anime streaming service Funimation. Steam can use gamepass to destroy Epic’s attempt to steal market share. Then when they dont longer need Gamepass. They just make their own.
Sony and Valve dont have the ability to burn money for marketshare like Netflix and Xbox.
Sony sells the streaming rights to their shows/flims to the highest bidder. These streamers lose money trying to gain market share. Sony’s franchises get popular. When the market is established, Sony then pulls all their films and puts them into their small anime streaming service Funimation. Steam can use gamepass to destroy Epic’s attempt to steal market share. Then when they dont longer need Gamepass. They just make their own.
Sony and Valve dont have the ability to burn money for marketshare like Netflix and Xbox.
driqe
Member
Ah, no need to read the rest of your reply then.
All Microsoft games on Steam can be downloaded and launched directly from Steam, only require a sign in Microsoft account If you haven't already logged in through the system.
Not like Ubishit or EA! no Launcher required, no shit! and that's expected to continue with GamePass if that happened.
Negotiator101
Member
Of course.
hangdang69
Member
hangdang69
Member
Ah yes, the extremely online videogame elitist who only engages with people who stay up to date on random assholes on twitter
SteamVR on xbox, putting full steam on xbox seems a real long shot. Plug in a vive/index/g2/whatever pc hmd in your xbox series console load steamvr which is already setup to be controlled by the vr controllers and off to the races. Gamepass on steam seems like a minefield when looking at nvidias streaming thing and how publishers dismantled it, and we already get stuff not on pc gamepass from 3rd party publishers.
Valve can see the inevitable collapse in the digital games market once services take over. If Netflix style consumption becomes the norm, steams future is as the distribution arm of other peoples services, in which case an acquisition by the premier game service isn't that hard to believe. They could possibly pivot to a third party service and also cover Sony's offering on PC but multiple services may not want the same distributor.
Sentenza
Member
Only the old ones that got ported recently.You need Origin to launch EA games on Steam
The new EA releases on Steam since EA came back just require an in-game login once and then run without any Origin client.
For instance neither Apex or SW Squadrons run the Origin client when played on Steam.
In the same way you can play all Microsoft releases on Steam just with a one-time login without having to go through the Windows Store/Xbox gameapp.
It's generally assumed that would be the same for Gamepass, otherwise it would hardly be something worth discussing. Having it on Steam would make it just a shortcut to the Windows Store.
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strange headache
Banned
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I can vouch for the game pass toilet paper. It's top notch stuff.
BigBooper
Member
Where's this picture from?Finally!
Let's go!
strange headache
Banned
I quickly threw that together
onesvenus
Member
That's weird, flight simulator 2020 not only has mod support but you can also monetize it
Hari Seldon
Member
If that is the case then they can fuck themselves. Gamepass is the only win 10 app that is so bad that it forces you to boot into Linux to fix its garbage. I dumped that shit when it went above $1/month with no intention of ever rejoining.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
There’s a lot of barking about Gamepass on it’s in a dog fight with PS + and Steam will go after that next.
BusierDonkey
Member
Interesting. I've never had a single issue with it since the service launched and currently about half the games I play are through Gamepass on PC. Have you tried unplugging your router then plugging it back in?
Krappadizzle
Gold Member
Can't speak for that guy's issues but I've had them before too with the App. I've had to reinstall it once or twice to get games to install/run. Pain in the ass, haven't used it in a while though, but I did run into issue too.
onnextflix5
Member
Seems like a good deal for ms, but surly it would better for steam to invest in there own subscription service, seems daft not to.
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PhaseJump
Banned
Consider yourself lucky.
I have 5 PCs running Windows 10 and every one of them has been broken by updating. Needing repair to boot, or a full reinstallation. At least once per year or two if I am lucky. A few years ago, two gaming machines went down with the same update at the same time, needing reinstallation. Getting the windows installation media to install on a flash drive I had around was a test of patience, because the official tool took forever and never worked properly unless you were to realize you needed to pull temp files out of a folder and finalize it manually before shutting down the wizard, which would only corrupt the media.
Windows 10 has been nothing but unstable shit in my opinion. I also used to be an agent for Microsoft's tech support for a few years, fixing this kind of crap for them, so it's not like I don't know how to handle the OS.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Weird. I have three gaming rigs and a laptop without any issues.
It sounds really weird that you have all these issues.
Chukhopops
Member
Same here, I use Gamepass PC daily those days and it works completely fine (although it still lacks a lot of features that Steam has). People were saying it will break if you mess with the registry and/or Windows update, maybe that’s why?
eyesabitdull
Banned
Fucking yes please.
Its ridiculous how I cant access GP in my country without paying an exorbitant amount of money.
Steam would finally open up GP to a much wider market.
Its ridiculous how I cant access GP in my country without paying an exorbitant amount of money.
Steam would finally open up GP to a much wider market.
GeorgPrime
Banned
After the horrible experience i had with Game Pass on PC within the horrible Microsoft Store, i would welcome to integration of Game Pass to Steam.
I can only be an upgrade for Microsoft.
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PhaseJump
Banned
Windows runs well enough on all the hardware, but the quality assurance is gone these days and the public is testing it.
In my opinion, the worst thing about the non-enterprise deployments of Windows 10 is all the crap like Cortana and the Xbox Game Bar. It's kind of baked in, it's kind of modular compared to the old bloated Windows, configuring half of it is a mess hidden behind different settings pages with the old and new UI. You need to disable these "features" when an update shows up to break things or toggle it back on, crap you don't use that kills performance without your knowledge. Then there is the constant indexing and reporting back to Microsoft. More stuff that needs to be disabled, configured, and disabled again if you're not paying attention.
I still find that whole process less absurd than disabling automatic updates altogether, and living with the world of bullshit and wasted time that it invites.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Xbox is a stronger brand than EA. How can it be Xbox Gamepass if it isn't tied to Xbox in any way?
GeorgPrime
Banned
Because they do a horrible job on putting it on PC and many many people have problems with it.
Gamezone
Gold Member
That's probably why they are working on a new store. We'll see.
itsjustJEFF
Member
I'm not even sure quite how that would work 
But also, Xbox is taking those sub $$$ and funneling it back into game dev and stuff... why split that $$$
it's not like it's hard for PC guys to get GamePass. Would it simply be a convenience thing, one launcher to rule them all?
But also, Xbox is taking those sub $$$ and funneling it back into game dev and stuff... why split that $$$
it's not like it's hard for PC guys to get GamePass. Would it simply be a convenience thing, one launcher to rule them all?
Chukhopops
Member
Xbox Gamepass is the name of the service, and even today you can use it without an Xbox (cloud or PC). I kind of see your point that eventually the service will live on its own and be disconnected from Xbox as a hardware.
I think the visibility it would bring to GP, plus the convenience of launching from the Steam client would mean plenty more subs. Steam had 120 million monthly active users last year, a lot more than GP.I'm not even sure quite how that would work
But also, Xbox is taking those sub $$$ and funneling it back into game dev and stuff... why split that $$$