- Jun 15, 2004
Yeah we all want Half-Life 3 we understand
Just because other company also invests on something doesn't mean they themselves don't also have their own strategy.
They invest on VR, they're also helping it grow, those are facts.
What’s the benefit? They became absurdly rich with transaction fees from owning the platform
"much larger" or "pratically irrelevant" are huge overstatements.Facebook has a much much larger share of VR to the point that Valve is practically irrelevant. It didn't have to be like that. Valve have chosen to be miserly with their fortune.
Isn't the opposite happening? Multiple publishers who removed their games from Steam in an effort to lure players to their own platforms have recently backtracked on that, including Microsoft and EA.more big publishers will exclusively push their own platform like origin.
Facebook has a much much larger share of VR to the point that Valve is practically irrelevant. It didn't have to be like that. Valve have chosen to be miserly with their fortune.
The benefit would be to solidify that position instead of losing ground. If all they cared about was money they would just shut down steam and retire.
"much larger" or "pratically irrelevant" are huge overstatements.
Data suggests equipment like HTC vive or even Index are only somewhat behind facebook's VRs.
An opinion piece isn't proof of anything, whoever wrote it just thinks facebook will have an monopoly on VR. He could be right, but he could be wrong too. It doens't even compare with data from valve games and hardware.
“Facebook is going to probably have a near-monopoly in VR software before it even matters,” Heath tweeted. “Facebook will have literally reinvented itself for a new paradigm shift in computing by the time regulation gets around to addressing it in its current state.”
Can people stop making this comment? I put it in quotes for a reason. By first party I mean the defacto company that not only controls the space but also actively funds and steers the direction of gaming on that platform.
Sony and Microsoft are now the first party of PC gaming.
Isn't the opposite happening? Multiple publishers who removed their games from Steam in an effort to lure players to their own platforms have recently backtracked on that, including Microsoft and EA.
I think it's much more likely that the future for publishers lies in integrating their own services with Valve's in some way, like EA is doing with EA play. Rather than using Game Pass to compete with Steam, Microsoft could score the easiest victory in industry history by collaborating with Valve to offer it through Steam instead.
When I say sell in 5 years, I also mean a fraction of what he could have sell now. Im expecting major moves from Sony, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Facebook and Epic. Epic and Amazon having the most explosive gains using Unreal Engine and Twitch as Trojans horses. Microsoft trying to Moviepass the gaming industry, ultimately every publisher creates their own streaming passes. Google will use youtube to offer Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Playstation, Etc passes. Ending up with Facebook buying steam for name recognition for their own gaming platform.Anything could happen if Gabe Newell decides to sell his company. But I think there would have to be some drastic changes for Steam to become a "minor player". Right now, no other company is as identifiable when it comes to PC gaming as Valve.
this is just an interim phase for them. once their userbase is big enough they will push exclusivity. it will be a slow multi year process. the aggressive moves could come 5 years from now or sooner. but the moves will be made.MS have been building up to it for a long time now.
- AFAIK the staff developing a game is different to those developing Steam.So why keep the majority of their staff developing a game for 4+ years for some cash that they could get just by Store sales of third party games?
- but the staff that would develop games are now developing software/hardware in projects that they want to develop for. Games would require a huge amount of people for a project that they maybe wouldnt be interested in.- AFAIK the staff developing a game is different to those developing Steam.
- a game would generate it's own revenue and pay for itself. and generate enough profit to pay for a couple of others.
They tried and they failed already. They are here to stay. EA thought it had its users with battlefield, Sims etc and then tried to strong-arm gamers... Now look who's back on steam and even releasing the next major battlefield day one on it.
Microsoft is also now back in the steam game. Halo MCC, all future first parties will be Xbox and pc games, even Halo Infinite will be on steam day one. Ubisoft is the only one that left steam and now works with epic but honestly, they had little relevance before and now just made them even less relevant.
When I say sell in 5 years, I also mean a fraction of what he could have sell now. Im expecting major moves from Sony, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Facebook and Epic. Epic and Amazon having the most explosive gains using Unreal Engine and Twitch as Trojans horses. Microsoft trying to Moviepass the gaming industry, ultimately every publisher creates their own streaming passes. Google will use youtube to offer Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Playstation, Etc passes. Ending up with Facebook buying steam for name recognition for their own gaming platform.
- true, but again, it would require a big part of their staff to invest 4+ years of their life for it. Not worth it. They would bleed talent, and put too much time into one project.
And I think this is where you are wrong.Business accounts for risks and failures. it's not a swing and a miss then go home. reasons get analyzed and strategy improves for the future. business that don't go bankrupt.
Origin got as much as it could aggressively. now it's settled on a slow buildup of it's users. once a big enough percentage is on Origin the value of exclusively selling their own games will outweigh the benefit of selling on Steam.
And I think this is where you are wrong.
Even with EGS, the major consensus is, gamers prefer their games on steam. There are obviously people that prefer multiple stores or launchers, but they are not the majority. Even if they build up a user base now, once they move off of steam again, they will lose most of that install base another time and they also do know, this will hurt them long term. If you go on and off on a store front, people will start to be annoyed and you will create a "they'll leave eventually anyway" mentality, meaning people will most likely start skipping your games as there is no incentive to invest tino a game series that will be on and off of steam.
If nothing hugely anti consumer happens, then steam is here to stay and the big players know this. They will try to work alongside it then against it. Steam just has way to many users that are loyal to it and don't want to move away.
That's why Epic is spending tons of money on helping new games get made by top tier devs. If people buy those games they won't want to leave EGS and lose those games. Steam needs to do this and should have been doing this since the beginning.
Pirate Bay buys Steam, shuts it down. All major games are only streamable. Assassin Creed exclusive to Ubisoft+, Fifa exclusive to EA Play, COD exclusive to Blizzard+, Cuphead: Hot Coffee exclusive to Amazon Luna, Remedy physical games are just a code to open a stream play only on Verizon 5G Moto Razer M3.This, I suspect, would spark a new age of sailing.
Well it all really depends if Biden passes that infrastructure package. Once USA has a decent overall internet capability. Streaming will take off. And every publisher will have their “Netflix” of gaming. No longer needing to cater to Steam to avoid pirating. While some games head to the Epic store, since Epic doesn't care about profitability if said store. They just trying to spread their unreal engine seed to the whole world…I don't see it myself. Valve has over 100 million active users and has never been more popular and I see its value increasing, not decreasing.
Valve is Lazy.
They are living off the success of every other developer And gaining money that way.
Smart but kinda shitty, wish they actually made more games instead of surviving off everyone else. Sleezy
I wonder how people keep saying these things when they dont even know what Valve is working on (hint: its not games).
Calling someone lazy without knowing what their actual work is is also kind of lazy. Maybe you should research what they are doing before accusing them? But hey thats the internet. If someone isnt doing what you want them to do, than they are clearly doing it wrong.
With the launch of Steam and shortly afterwards Half Life 2 in 2004 Valve nearly instantly transformed the PC gaming market. They gave a single storefront and DRM for games of all shaped and sizes. Since that time they have released depending on how you count the various mods as few as 7 games which most recently includes Artifact a failed collectable card game and Half-Life Alyx which while apparently amazing requires expensive and bulky equipment to fully enjoy.
They could have easily taken the money earned from Steam and invested it in their own studios or purchased studios to release games on Steam. Fast forward to 2021 and Epic is eating into their storefront space and Microsoft is gaining huge ground with game pass for PC. I think they took their position for granted and really failed to capitalize on it when they had virtually no competition.
But they still make games lolValve is a game making studio. There not making many games anymore.
If they werent making money from other developers on steam they would be making more games.
They did the smart thing, make a platform to earn more money than any other developer, earn money from every PC game but doesnt mean I think I should respect them or think they deserve it
The majority of PC gamers hate the Epic store. Also, every Epic game sooner or later lands on Steam anyway.That's totally wrong. Are Valve games on the epic store? Are Epic games on Steam?
The majority of PC gamers hate the Epic store. Also, every Epic game sooner or later lands on Steam anyway.
If Epic weren't such salty moneyhatting b*tches, I'm sure they would be much more welcomed by the PC community.