They've only released the high end cards so far...
The only thing I care about is that I get more for my money for the same price I paid last gen. Every 40-series card does that, and that should continue into the midrange.
Yeah that is not what I'm talking about - the 3090 offered very little more than the 3080 for the money asked.
We're used to this bell curve for price to performance right? X Axis is cost or absolute performance. Y axis performance per dollar.
Not perfect as it should be a little bit flatter but whatever, roll with me here.
3060/Ti/3070 all in the middle segment. 3080 about level with H from High. 3080 10G, 3080Ti , 3090, 3090Ti following at various points after that.
710, 1030 wayyy on the left, 1630/1050Ti, and 1600 series on the nearer to the right but still bad.
For the 40 series, here have hasty late night plots.: At 4K from the techspot MSRP details. Frames per dollar rather than dollar per frame to match up with the bell curve/normal distribution above.
Y Axis is just labelled not a good indicator of price, but it is baked into the line with frames per dollar.
Add in the potential 4060 Ti at $450 using the 3070 data... and yes the scale matters but this is still a reallllly flat graph. There is no sweet spot to be had there and I don't think it will change when the whole line up is here.
4070 Ti beats the 3090. You couldn't get 4070 Ti level performance at any price two years ago. The only last gen card it loses to is 3090 Ti (I'm going by Techpowerup numbers), which is a card that probably should not have existed, but since it does exist I guess you can deny 4070 Ti of it's flagship performance...
Deny? I don't care about scoring points. I care that it isn't that much better performance than a 3080 for the money required. 3080 12GB and above were irrelevant cash grabs.
$450 ($400 if we're lucky) is about what I expect for the 4060 Ti (at 3070-like performance), considering inflation and the fact that it will be more efficient and have more features I'd say it's fair. Not great, but it's progress.
Stagnation to me. Efficiency? Big whoop, expected with a node shrink. Features? Frame generation? I see that as a harder sell as the average frame rate gets worse.
That's about what I expect from the 4070 too, $600-$650, that would also at least be progress compared to the 3080 at $700.
Maybe you're right but we also don't know the expected performance do we?
Even if the 4070 launched as the 4080 12 GB at $899, it wouldn't change my view of this gen's pricing much. It would have still been progress as it would have been faster than a 3080 Ti at $300 cheaper.
Again, 3080Ti was a cash grab. Compare to 3080.
All I care about is performance/dollar increasing at every price point. And that's what we're getting... there is no 40-series card that hasn't increased performance per/dollar at it's given price point.
That is the absolute baseline requirement but it is trending the wrong way.
I'm over the pessimism about pricing. Inflation happened, console prices aren't going down either. It is what it is. GPU prices aren't great, but they could be a lot worse.
When there is signs of actual stagnation, that's when I'll maybe become pessimistic. For now, there are no signs of it.
I wish I had your optimism. Consoles are usually razor thin margins, or a loss, Nintendo aside. They make their money from software but still do not want to be making a steeper loss. They'll have calculated attach rate and what they can sensibly absorb on average. The increase in costs is apparently too high for Sony, so price goes up.
In contrast, Nvidia keeps relatively fat margins for itself. Radeon group follows suit.
Balancing act is bad enough for AIBs that EVGA Alt+F4'd out of the game.
Why is the CPU market so much better? Purely the smaller chip sizes?
I'm just seeing people being rinsed. Less diminishing returns at the high end which is great for some with deeper pocket but makes me think the mid range is getting shafted or the low end is going to be priced out of the market. Higher margins at the high end, slimmer lower down has been the way it works, made up for by relative volume of sales.