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Twitch vs Speedrun Community Drama (update: Twitch officially responds)
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The Tofunator
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Honestly when I saw that emote, I didn't even know it had anything to do with porn until it was pointed out. It just looked like some random cartoon dog as opposed to being some kind of message about sexual deviance.
They still haven't really addressed this...
What do you expect? For them to take full responsibility? They're obviously not going to take the brunt of the force, only the moderators
theprodigy
Member
No, the parody account is missing a letter
Relaxed Muscle
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ab.aeterno
Member
It was brought up an awful lot for something that has nothing to do with it. Reread the OP: declaring him a gay furry was literally the first paragraph, not explaining simply that he promoted an emote of someone he knew. In fact, I don't know of a recap that didn't fail to bring it up -- and one of the imgur recaps covers at such length it includes cropped porn.
I wouldn't call it nonoffensive, I think it's uncalled for and crises a line, but it's not directly homophobic or --Here is the the completely non-offensive, non-hateful, non-homophobic, non-fursecution joke in it's entirety that led to Horror and other admins banning popular streamers, many of which rely on their streaming income to live.
fuck, I'm sorry, but I just can't say that other word, it's too bloody stupid.
Good response, maybe they learned a thing or two by this incident.
However, his personal preferences were not brought up when some streamers just had a simple title of remove horror. This title was in no way offensive or even mentioned his personal preferences, only to remove him due to his abuse of power
Oh well. Still not too offensive, ill advised humour? It pales into insignificance compared to bans and harassment. I'm sure it will be part of the overhaul of how will work in the future.
What's the syntax to display the icon in chat?
Solid response from Twitch.
You would just type the emote name (case-sensitive). So I think it would have been NightLight.
You would just type the emote name (case-sensitive). So I think it would have been NightLight.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
NightLight
Also good response from Twitch, should have come sooner, but at least they didn't wait too long.
It's too bad it's only on reddit and not on their own blogs.
They may have a solid response to redditors, but what about people who don't use reddit and Twitch? What about the general public?
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Blue Wolf no space
It took them at least 48 hours to come up with response? They knew what was happening but just swept it under the rug until shit boiled over. I'm still not accepting when they can even explain the twitter support crap they tweeted. And with Horror "stepping down" does not do justice for what he has done. He has a history with being a jerk of a admin to many other folks before this event. Regardless if he is a friend or family, he should be gone from Twitch.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
This Emmett Shear guy the same dude who called the FGC racist not too long back? Fuck that guy. I mean it's a good response, but fuck him anyway.
NightLight
What is NightLight? That's the name of the animal that Horror's boyfriend dresses up as or something?
Ugh, it's too much for me, I can't understand this. Good response by Twitch.
ab.aeterno
Member
I don't disagree, but I also want talking about that. I was talking about how it was specifically mentioned in every single recap or post about the story. If it didn't matter it wouldn't be mentioned, but it was, often.
The response to showing solidarity with the streamer? Sure, agreed. It wasn't brought up then. But when people posted about it, it was, which is my point.
You speaking about furries or the gays? I honestly can't tell because your argument could apply to either the way it's said, and I've heard it often used, almost exactly that way, to argue against holding hands while gay in public, yes, really.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
He is called night light because his wolf dick glows.
Well managed my ass. They're ducking responsibility by using the "volunteers, not staff" bullshit.
If you can't trust your volunteers to represent/manage/whatever your organization to their specific capacity properly, then they should not be in a position of that capacity to begin with.
1: Twitch volunteers should not have been able to cause this bullshit.
2: Twitch is still responsible for the actions of their volunteers. If they wish to mitigate the risk associated with using volunteers, they should limit the capacity of those volunteers.
It was mentioned to provide context as to show how he was abusing his power to make something that should not be availible to the general public since it was regarding a mature theme. It is also used to explain any misunderstanding that may stem from that context
Furries, not LGBT culture itself.
No matter how far strides in LGBT acceptance will go, extreme deviation like "furries" will never be embraced. Fethishism in general. Keep your fetishes to yourself if you can't handle the reaction from other people.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
NightLight is his name because
his dick glows in the dark.
The Tofunator
Member
And would anybody have known this detail by simply glancing over the icon? Again, it looks like some dog with a stupid grin on its face, not a penis or whatever people seem to think it is.
The icon is perfectly fine removed from all context, I just think that if Horror cares enough to share it with the world, then he should be thick-skinned enough to handle what people think about it.
I consider myself a fairly accepting person, I have plenty of gay/bisexual friends, and even a trans friend, but I do draw the line at "Furries", you keep that shit to yourself.
You can tell me you're gay, but I really don't want to know that you dress up in costumes to have sex. I just don't care.
If you saw what channel the emote was from, the channel owner was very open about his persona. Then with a simple google search of his user name, or looking at his twitter, it would lead you to the comics in question.
Well done, however, this doesn't seem to include the TwitchTVSupport twitter account that also displayed very unprofessional relations. Hopefully that management will be resolved as well.
At the same time, they did not post this on official channels. No, they had to post this to reddit. I feel like they are not apologizing to the general public for their actions, only pleasing those that are hoping for an official statement.
Too little too late for Twitch. The apology is a complete 180 to how they were handling the situation before, which leads me to question its sincerity as opposed to the amount of attention the incident's received forcing Twitch's hand.
This black eye is going to take a looooooooong time for people to get over.
This black eye is going to take a looooooooong time for people to get over.
ab.aeterno
Member
Fair enough. I didn't want to kneejerk if I misunderstood you; I've had to put up with hearing that reasoning so often as it applies to LGBT stuff that it acts as a sore spot for me I'm afraid. I could care less about people feeling that way about furries.
They were moderators for more than just one channel
In twitch, a moderator is a user selected by the broadcaster to moderate their channel and only their channel
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I completely agree. There's been a long overdue name change coming to that group. The current front runner is just "Global Moderators."
So those are Channel Moderators, these are Twitch Moderators.
Yeah, it's a really thin line, I don't want to come off as homophobic, but it's almost impossible not to.
I think it's fine that he's gay, no problem whatsoever, I just want to make it clear that I think it's kind of silly that he is so open about the specifics of his relationships.
I don't talk about what my girlfriend and I do in the bedroom, either. Because we do some crazy shit that a lot of people don't really want to know about. It's just the way it is.
Yes, but instead of twitch moderators, they called them admins. Why? Who knows.
It only goes to show that they really need to have stricter guidelines as this is all an example of what favoritism gets people - power to control a website and the people.
It's truly sad that Horror has only stepped back but not stepped down. He is still working for Twitch.
Now he will be behind the scenes, probably doing the same thing and still using his power irresponsibly.
The Blackrose
Member
This is also a fair point.
And it's not just that. The volunteers are taking the brunt of the damage but not Horror. All he's doing is stepping back FROM PUBLIC MODERATING.
He can still do this from behind the scenes.
cpp_is_king
Member
I'm curious to know the relationship between the different parties involved. The main twitch employees that we've heard from at this point are the CEO Emmett Shear, an employee named Jasonmz, and another employee named Horror.
Jasonmz claims to be Horror's boss, where does Jasonmz sit in the heirarchy in relation to Mr. Shear?
I imagine myself being in the CEO's position, coming in to work one day and seeing all this shit, and then these two loser rogue employees fucked everything up on their own accord, and then as CEO having to repair the damage. As the CEO, I would genuinely be sorry if this situation had been out of my control, so I can totally see this happening.
At least Emmett appears to be far more mature and professional than Jasonmz and Horror.
Jasonmz claims to be Horror's boss, where does Jasonmz sit in the heirarchy in relation to Mr. Shear?
I imagine myself being in the CEO's position, coming in to work one day and seeing all this shit, and then these two loser rogue employees fucked everything up on their own accord, and then as CEO having to repair the damage. As the CEO, I would genuinely be sorry if this situation had been out of my control, so I can totally see this happening.
At least Emmett appears to be far more mature and professional than Jasonmz and Horror.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Is there any chance this event will make this change happen? It seems pretty important due to the old name being so easily misunderstood. When people hear admin they think top brass of a website. Which I have a feeling lead to the whole reddit thing.
Solid response from Twitch. Well, I hope it's over now. People made mistakes and it will be dealt with.
Those things always happen, if you mix private stuff with work stuff. Sucks for Horror, that he isn't the lead admin anymore. I talked a coupple of times with him and he always seemed like a nice guy. Best of luck to him.
Chris92 made a horrible mistake, by speaking for Twitch and censor things. It's something, that you should never do, if you haven't permission to do so. Especially, if you are not working officially for that company. Companies can and will sue you for doing this.
Now going back to watch some streams.
Those things always happen, if you mix private stuff with work stuff. Sucks for Horror, that he isn't the lead admin anymore. I talked a coupple of times with him and he always seemed like a nice guy. Best of luck to him.
Chris92 made a horrible mistake, by speaking for Twitch and censor things. It's something, that you should never do, if you haven't permission to do so. Especially, if you are not working officially for that company. Companies can and will sue you for doing this.
Now going back to watch some streams.
I personally looked at the response as something they're still looking into so his status may not stay that way, it's just a way to let people cool down a bit knowing he won't be in the public face for a bit.
I agree he should lose all power, though.
Solid response from Twitch. Well, I hope it's over now. People made mistakes and it will be dealt with.
Those things always happen, if you mix private stuff with work stuff. Sucks for Horror, that he isn't the lead admin anymore. I talked a coupple of times with him and he always seemed like a nice guy. Best of luck to him.
Chris92 made a horrible mistake, by speaking for Twitch and censor things. It's something, that you should never do, if you haven't permission to do so. Especially, if you are not working officially for that company. Companies can and will sue you for doing this.
Now going back to watch some streams.
However, I believe it's not over. Horror is still with twitch as well as this guy:
http://i.imgur.com/TT4Lsgm.png
Horror has stepped back from public moderating but he can abuse his power in a few days or so with probably a new admin name. The CEO responded only to reddit, not the general public which only goes to show that he is only trying to please those that want to hear official statements.
I also agree with you, but do you know how hard it is to lose an employee who has been with you for probably the longest time? I'm sure he will be behind the scenes for a while and if the CEO is not man enough to let him go, he'll be back and the cycle will repeat.
Is this the same Jason being accused of abusing the @TwitchTVSupport account (if you believe the comments on reddit in response to the official apology)?
He's also accused of doing this:
http://i.imgur.com/TT4Lsgm.png
The title was simply Remove Horror. Nothing offensive or relating to TOS violation.
ab.aeterno
Member
I dig where you're coming from; I'm a private person about some things, including that, so I can relate. Thanks for taking the time to explain things.
Sorry again for snapping.The Tofunator
Member
You'd think that most normal people would stop after getting to the channel instead of actively searching the guy up. From what I've seen people say, I would have thought that the admins was replacing streams with furry porn or something. Having to google this stuff up doesn't exactly feel like the admin was screaming "ACCEPT ME!" or anything.
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