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[K.Sabot]

I think keeping the offending people (the persona banning people and the people that tried to cover it up) would be an awful thing.

The Horror situation was merely the culmination of a string of incidents, people haven't liked his work for a long time. In a time of extreme growth, having a tainted "asset" like a string of mods who go loose cannon for personal reasons is unacceptable and could hinder their progress.

But of course, twitch needs to grow up past its "friends and family" stage before they can manage their own people effectively.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

Here is the best run down of the entire event I could find: http://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/1r2f1k/rip_in_peace_werster/cdj10be

Also: lol

I like in this picture:

http://i.imgur.com/4nH0q7e.jpg

They try to make the internet ignore it. If anything more people will hear about it now.



The response is always the worst part, just stuffing their fingers in their ears and screaming "LALALA WE CANT HEAR YOU YOU'RE STUPID"

 

[Weeman0313]

There seems to be a lot more drama recently, and not just with the console wars. Is there something far more sinister at work here?

 

[ForestL]

Yo, I'm one of the /r/games moderators, and want to clear up a few things up about Twitch posts being removed last night (I'm not a mod of /r/gaming, so I don't know know that much about the order of events there).

Duke_Bilgewater contacted us last night about wanted to make a post about this, and we said he could as long as the post didn't have vote cheating. He posted the link, and within a few minutes it has 30+ upvotes. Posts do not get that many upvotes in that short of a time on /r/games, and it was not the most active time of the day for /r/games. Additionally, many of the accounts that had voted and made comments in the thread were new accounts and/or were not active on /r/games. due to all of this, we removed the post.

We were able to discover that the vote manipulation was due to Duke linking to the the thread on IRC, and after some back and forth, I was able to contact Duke on IRC. I told him he could make another post as long as he didn't link to it on IRC, but he said he didn't want to make another thread. We then allowed the first post about twitch that wasn't vote manipulated in a major way (it could of been a better title though), and since it was late, I went to bed and the rest of /r/games mods dealt with the .

At no time was I or any of the /r/games mods contacted by people from twitch asking for the post to be removed.

 

[AwakenedCloud]

"Fursona" may be the worst thing I've read this week...

I thought staycation was dumb, but this takes the cake.

 

[Grakl]

I thought staycation was dumb, but this takes the cake.

Stop fursecuting yo

 

[webrunner]

so let me get this straight

twitch admin has a boyfriend, he made an emote for him, and people are hating on him, and somehow he is the bad guy?

it sounds to ME that everyone else is just being a fucking ignorant asshole and are getting banned for being ignorant childish assholes.

 

[Gxgear]

so let me get this straight...

Nope.

 

[webrunner]

Nope.

oh har har.

 

[dave is ok]

Yo, I'm one of the /r/games moderators, and want to clear up a few things up about Twitch posts being removed last night (I'm not a mod of /r/gaming, so I don't know know that much about the order of events there).

Duke_Bilgewater contacted us last night about wanted to make a post about this, and we said he could as long as the post didn't have vote cheating. He posted the link, and within a few minutes it has 30+ upvotes. Posts do not get that many upvotes in that short of a time on /r/games, and it was not the most active time of the day for /r/games. Additionally, many of the accounts that had voted and made comments in the thread were new accounts and/or were not active on /r/games. due to all of this, we removed the post.

We were able to discover that the vote manipulation was due to Duke linking to the the thread on IRC, and after some back and forth, I was able to contact Duke on IRC. I told him he could make another post as long as he didn't link to it on IRC, but he said he didn't want to make another thread. We then allowed the first post about twitch that wasn't vote manipulated in a major way (it could of been a better title though), and since it was late, I went to bed and the rest of /r/games mods dealt with the .

At no time was I or any of the /r/games mods contacted by people from twitch asking for the post to be removed.

The large amount of upvotes probably had something to do with the fact Twitch was mass banning anyone discussing the matter in chat on their site.

Collusion or no, You guys fucked up. Thankfully Twitch fucked up much much worse so you probably won't catch much heat for it.

so let me get this straight

twitch admin has a boyfriend, he made an emote for him, and people are hating on him, and somehow he is the bad guy?

it sounds to ME that everyone else is just being a fucking ignorant asshole and are getting banned for being ignorant childish assholes.

The fact he's gay, a furry - and has a boyfriend has nothing to do with it. He abused his power as admin by making a global emote for his boyfriend, but that isn't even what people are freaking out about. He took an obvious, non-hateful joke so poorly that it resulted in a giant shitstorm. Horror acting like a child is a cancer on the company. If they want to be taken seriously, they should remove him immediately.

 

[Nerokis]

Yo, I'm one of the /r/games moderators, and want to clear up a few things up about Twitch posts being removed last night (I'm not a mod of /r/gaming, so I don't know know that much about the order of events there).

Duke_Bilgewater contacted us last night about wanted to make a post about this, and we said he could as long as the post didn't have vote cheating. He posted the link, and within a few minutes it has 30+ upvotes. Posts do not get that many upvotes in that short of a time on /r/games, and it was not the most active time of the day for /r/games. Additionally, many of the accounts that had voted and made comments in the thread were new accounts and/or were not active on /r/games. due to all of this, we removed the post.

We were able to discover that the vote manipulation was due to Duke linking to the the thread on IRC, and after some back and forth, I was able to contact Duke on IRC. I told him he could make another post as long as he didn't link to it on IRC, but he said he didn't want to make another thread. We then allowed the first post about twitch that wasn't vote manipulated in a major way (it could of been a better title though), and since it was late, I went to bed and the rest of /r/games mods dealt with the .

At no time was I or any of the /r/games mods contacted by people from twitch asking for the post to be removed.

So, is Duke_Bilgewater known for vote cheating or something? Why was there even any reluctance to allow him to make a post, and why was the threshold so low for "suspecting vote cheating" and deleting it? Reddit, in particular the bigger subreddits, seems more and more compromised as time goes by.

 

[Flek]

so let me get this straight

twitch admin has a boyfriend, he made an emote for him, and people are hating on him, and somehow he is the bad guy?

it sounds to ME that everyone else is just being a fucking ignorant asshole and are getting banned for being ignorant childish assholes.

no as far as i understand this:

twitch asshole mod has a boyfriend, does boyfriend a stupid favor in making his sex icon public on twitch, people get annoyed, mod banns everyone in epic rage

 

[_Ryo_]

This is really unprofessional. Should have just fired the admin when it was clear what was going on. James Mercer did it The Shins. (out of line band mates.)

 

[webrunner]

no as far as i understand this:

twitch asshole mod has a boyfriend, does boyfriend a stupid favor in making his sex icon public on twitch, people get annoyed, mod banns everyone in epic rage

i see an animal head, i dont see any 'sex'. frankly if I was homosexual I'd take offense at people calling a totally tame picture of my boyfriend "inappropriate" too.

 

[TUSR]

Duke_Bilgewater contacted us last night about wanted to make a post about this, and we said he could as long as the post didn't have vote cheating. He posted the link, and within a few minutes it has 30+ upvotes. Posts do not get that many upvotes in that short of a time on /r/games, and it was not the most active time of the day for /r/games. Additionally, many of the accounts that had voted and made comments in the thread were new accounts and/or were not active on /r/games. due to all of this, we removed the post.

What is this?

 

[ttocs]

i see an animal head, i dont see any 'sex'. frankly if I was homosexual I'd take offense at people calling a totally tame picture of my boyfriend "inappropriate" too.

Pretty sure the image is from a furry porn comic or something. Something about "night light"

 

[Grakl]

Pretty sure the image is from a furry porn comic or something. Something about "night light"

The pic was a face and didn't at all show anything innapropriate lol. Kappa is more suggestive.

 

[theprodigy]

What is this?

Something that makes no sense
remember people, things can only get so many upvotes if approved by staff!

 

[QisTopTier]

i see an animal head, i dont see any 'sex'. frankly if I was homosexual I'd take offense at people calling a totally tame picture of my boyfriend "inappropriate" too.

It has it's stigma attached to it. And lol. The chat code referenced his dick

 

[Fotheringay]

Hahaha vote manipulation. You guys are so up your own asses.

 

[dave is ok]

Here is the the completely non-offensive, non-hateful, non-homophobic, non-fursecution joke in it's entirety that led to Horror and other admins banning popular streamers, many of which rely on their streaming income to live.

 

[Mxrz]

Yo, I'm one of the /r/games moderators, and want to clear up a few things up about Twitch posts being removed last night (I'm not a mod of /r/gaming, so I don't know know that much about the order of events there).

Duke_Bilgewater contacted us last night about wanted to make a post about this, and we said he could as long as the post didn't have vote cheating. He posted the link, and within a few minutes it has 30+ upvotes. Posts do not get that many upvotes in that short of a time on /r/games, and it was not the most active time of the day for /r/games. Additionally, many of the accounts that had voted and made comments in the thread were new accounts and/or were not active on /r/games. due to all of this, we removed the post.

We were able to discover that the vote manipulation was due to Duke linking to the the thread on IRC, and after some back and forth, I was able to contact Duke on IRC. I told him he could make another post as long as he didn't link to it on IRC, but he said he didn't want to make another thread. We then allowed the first post about twitch that wasn't vote manipulated in a major way (it could of been a better title though), and since it was late, I went to bed and the rest of /r/games mods dealt with the .

At no time was I or any of the /r/games mods contacted by people from twitch asking for the post to be removed.

So what's that screenshot about?

Either way, sort of glad I never bothered with reddit if stuff can be deleted just because new people start viewing it, or voting or whatever nonsense. .

 

[theprodigy]

This seems like an odd policy, but I'm not a reddit user. Are reddit posts typically deleted for vote manipulation when they're linked elsewhere?

Gee, I can't possibly imagine why it got so many upvotes that quickly!

 

[Sylverstone14]

This seems like an odd policy, but I'm not a reddit user. Are reddit posts typically deleted for vote manipulation when they're linked elsewhere?

Not exactly, but if you link to a Reddit post for the sole purpose of gaining upvotes ("guys, go here and vote this up!"), then that's apparently vote cheating.

 

[Grakl]

Here is the the completely non-offensive, non-hateful, non-homophobic, non-fursecution joke in it's entirety that led to Horror and other admins banning popular streamers, many of which rely on their streaming income to live.

Ha, you said fursecution

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

This seems like an odd policy, but I'm not a reddit user. Are reddit posts typically deleted for vote manipulation when they're linked elsewhere?

Seems like vote manipulation = new users and users that voted didn't voted many times, the first one I can understand it (although maybe they aren't alt accounts and other people wnat to offer their support althought they weren't users before?) but the second one is just straight bullshit.

 

[Flek]

Here is the the completely non-offensive, non-hateful, non-homophobic, non-fursecution joke in it's entirety that led to Horror and other admins banning popular streamers, many of which rely on their streaming income to live.

hmm not nice but has to be excepted if you choose to globally force a avatar based on a furry sex thing on ANYBODY.

 

[Lost Fragment]

So what's that screenshot about?

Either way, sort of glad I never bothered with reddit if stuff can be deleted just because new people start viewing it, or voting or whatever nonsense. .

/r/games is not /r/gaming

Seems like vote manipulation = new users and users that voted didn't voted many times, the first one I can understand it (although maybe they aren't alt accounts and other people wnat to offer their support althought they weren't users before?) but the second one is just straight bullshit.

It's a good rule, honestly. Otherwise Reddit would be dominated by people who just have the audiences to get people to vote for whatever.

 

[Higgins113]

so let me get this straight

twitch admin has a boyfriend, he made an emote for him, and people are hating on him, and somehow he is the bad guy?

it sounds to ME that everyone else is just being a fucking ignorant asshole and are getting banned for being ignorant childish assholes.

Are you fucking kidding me?

 

[theprodigy]

Seems like vote manipulation = new users and users that voted didn't voted many times, the first one I can understand it (although maybe they aren't alt accounts and other people wnat to offer their support althought they weren't users before?) but the second one is just straight bullshit.

That's because it is bullshit

 

[TUSR]

Something that makes no sense
remember people, things can only get so many upvotes if approved by staff!

I cannot even type words right now about how fucking ridiculous this is.

30 up votes. Come. The. Fuck. On.

You link it in one popular speed runners chat and people will make accounts and up vote. Just because they never had a previous account on reddit doesn't make their votes invalid because of how little karma or whatever they have.

 

[Grakl]

hmm not nice but has to be excepted if you choose to globally force a avatar based on a furry sex thing on ANYBODY.

Oh no please don't force your furry sex o-face on me

(I'm pretty sure the emoticon quoted isn't very sexual)

 

[ForestL]

So, is Duke_Bilgewater known for vote cheating or something? Why was there even any reluctance to allow him to make a post, and why was the threshold so low for "suspecting vote cheating" and deleting it? Reddit, in particular the bigger subreddits, seems more and more compromised as time goes by.

Duke is not known for vote cheating, and I was ok with him making another post about the situation, but he did not want to make another post about it.

What is this?

/r/games is based on user voting. A traditional post may get a few votes in the first few minutes. A big story would have a hard time getting the amount of upvotes in the time Duke's post did (about 2 minutes). We were able to find out information about who voted on the post, and many of the votes were from accounts that had never been on /r/games before (which points to them being linked from somewhere) and completely new accounts, many from the same few IPs. We were able to find out that Duke had posted this link on an IRC channel, and many of the voters came in from there. We were happy to allow Duke's post, but the vote cheating on that post was too much, and so we removed it like we do for every post that has that level of manipulation

 

[The Tofunator]

Here is the the completely non-offensive, non-hateful, non-homophobic, non-fursecution joke in it's entirety that led to Horror and other admins banning popular streamers, many of which rely on their streaming income to live.

Oh god put that furry shit away. I am offended by that oversexualized icon!

Spoiler

That was seriously what caused Twitch to start banning people? Talk about an overreaction to a joke.

On another note, how exactly is that underage furry porn? The way people were talking about it I was expecting something actually bad, not some cartoon dog face.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

/r/games is not /r/gaming



It's a good rule, honestly. Otherwise Reddit would be dominated by people who just have the audiences to get people to vote for whatever.

The line between protecting reddit from popular internet people and just straight up censoring is pretty blurry...actually is just straight censoring. Maybe they should create a better system.

/r/games is based on user voting. A traditional post may get a few votes in the first few minutes. A big story would have a hard time getting the amount of upvotes in the time Duke's post did (about 2 minutes). We were able to find out information about who voted on the post, and many of the votes were from accounts that had never been on /r/games before (which points to them being linked from somewhere) and completely new accounts, many from the same few IPs. We were able to find out that Duke had posted this link on an IRC channel, and many of the voters came in from there. We were happy to allow Duke's post, but the vote cheating on that post was too much, and so we removed it like we do for every post that has that level of manipulation

Isn't more reasonable to just eliminate all the votes from the same IP's instead of nuking a whole thread or does your admin tools not allow to eliminate individual votes?

 

[remist]

Yo, I'm one of the /r/games moderators, and want to clear up a few things up about Twitch posts being removed last night (I'm not a mod of /r/gaming, so I don't know know that much about the order of events there).

Duke_Bilgewater contacted us last night about wanted to make a post about this, and we said he could as long as the post didn't have vote cheating. He posted the link, and within a few minutes it has 30+ upvotes. Posts do not get that many upvotes in that short of a time on /r/games, and it was not the most active time of the day for /r/games. Additionally, many of the accounts that had voted and made comments in the thread were new accounts and/or were not active on /r/games. due to all of this, we removed the post.

We were able to discover that the vote manipulation was due to Duke linking to the the thread on IRC, and after some back and forth, I was able to contact Duke on IRC. I told him he could make another post as long as he didn't link to it on IRC, but he said he didn't want to make another thread. We then allowed the first post about twitch that wasn't vote manipulated in a major way (it could of been a better title though), and since it was late, I went to bed and the rest of /r/games mods dealt with the .

At no time was I or any of the /r/games mods contacted by people from twitch asking for the post to be removed.

This seems like a super backwards policy. Why do you care if new people from outside your clique are joining and voting for a specific post? I would think that as long as each upvote represents an actual person who approves of the post then the system is working as intended. Either way completely deleting the post seems like a rather hamfisted way of addressing the issue.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

Thank you so much for posting this. It has been the hardest thing to sit back and watch this snowball with hateful "facts" at the top of the OP taken at face-value. I realize few will give the same courtesy to fuzzy's statement, especially if they've already chosen their side, but for my part, I agree with everything he said and think it deserves consideration.

Sad thing to me is realizing most will recognize Horror's name for this, and not the positive role he's played on twitch from day one. His recent Hidden Gems initiative, which seeks to promote, well, hidden gems within Twitch's now massive selection of channels is just one recent example.

The problem is that Twitch is a business, not some random Internet forum. And succesful businesses become succesful by weeding out the people whose contributions can't make up for their failures. A manager who throws temper tantrums, is hated by his employees, and makes your business a laughing stock will - and should - be fired.

Twitch can get away with this right now, having a quasi-monopoly over streaming. But eventually they'll have actual competition, and if they don't change their business practices they'll get screwed.

 

[Foffy]

Here is the the completely non-offensive, non-hateful, non-homophobic, non-fursecution joke in it's entirety that led to Horror and other admins banning popular streamers, many of which rely on their streaming income to live.

I think all of those banned do not rely on their streaming monies to live. If anything, they use the money to get extra shit they don't need. Peaches works at Riot Games, and Werster has mentioned before with previous drama that he considered getting a 'real job', so this wasn't major monies on the line.

 

[equippedwithtowel]

On another note, how exactly is that underage furry porn? The way people were talking about it I was expecting something actually bad, not some cartoon dog face.[/SPOILER]

Cropped is the key word here.

 

[Grakl]

Cropped is the key word here.

You'd be outraged at a lot of GAF avatars then.

 

[dave is ok]

You'd be outraged at a lot of GAF avatars then.

Charmander penis everywhere.

 

[TUSR]

/r/games is based on user voting. A traditional post may get a few votes in the first few minutes. A big story would have a hard time getting the amount of upvotes in the time Duke's post did (about 2 minutes). We were able to find out information about who voted on the post, and many of the votes were from accounts that had never been on /r/games before (which points to them being linked from somewhere) and completely new accounts, many from the same few IPs. We were able to find out that Duke had posted this link on an IRC channel, and many of the voters came in from there. We were happy to allow Duke's post, but the vote cheating on that post was too much, and so we removed it like we do for every post that has that level of manipulation

That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[theprodigy]

I think all of those banned do not rely on their streaming monies to live. If anything, they use the money to get extra shit they don't need. Peaches works at Riot Games, and Werster has mentioned before with previous drama that he considered getting a 'real job', so this wasn't major monies on the line.

Peaches working for Riot may be the thing that blows up in their face the most

 

[equippedwithtowel]

You'd be outraged at a lot of GAF avatars then.

Did I say I was outraged?

 

[emb]

Duke_Bilgewater contacted us last night about wanted to make a post about this, and we said he could as long as the post didn't have vote cheating. He posted the link, and within a few minutes it has 30+ upvotes. Posts do not get that many upvotes in that short of a time on /r/games, and it was not the most active time of the day for /r/games. Additionally, many of the accounts that had voted and made comments in the thread were new accounts and/or were not active on /r/games. due to all of this, we removed the post.

I'm not very familiar with reddit, but this bit strikes me as odd. Why is it a problem to have a large number of upvotes from people coming in just to see the thread?

From my outside perspective, this seems completely bonkers. Unless those people are making extra accounts or something to ballot stuff. It's like you guys are saying "ok, vote, but you can't tell your friends and let them vote. You can't have your community vote. You can't all vote at once or too fast. Only random passerbys that are uninvolved." It isn't as though Twitch staff and those supporting it couldn't come in and down vote it.

The whole idea of an arbitrary no 'vote cheating' policy reminds me of so-called scrubs in fighting games. "No grabs. No fireballs. No timer. No jump ins. No supers. Actually, just don't hit me."

I'm coming off as more critical than I really want to I guess... but I really don't understand how a policy on 'vote cheating' can apply to sharing the link. Was there actual cheating involved and I'm just missing the point?

 

[Red Chocobo]

I've read through all this about four times and I still can't work out what the hell is going on.

I'm guessing furry drama and gamer drama mixed and now the fucking world is in danger of being destroyed.

 

[DataGhost]

I think all of those banned do not rely on their streaming monies to live. If anything, they use the money to get extra shit they don't need. Peaches works at Riot Games, and Werster has mentioned before with previous drama that he considered getting a 'real job', so this wasn't major monies on the line.

That may be so but Werster was "CONSIDERING" getting a real job but he has not gotten it yet. The stream is still his source of income. If he is banned, he loses his livelihood and what are the chances of him getting a job all of a sudden?

 

[Flek]

I've read through all this about four times and I still can't work out what the hell is going on.

I'm guessing furry drama and gamer drama mixed and now the fucking world is in danger or being destroyed.

 

[Solune]

Yeah, but like, man, Horror is a nice guy

Honestly it's quite hard to see that, however this type of thing was bound to happen when 99% of Twitch chat is vomiting memes and emotes at 769485213 per second. It's almost impossible to regulate too unless it's on sub-only or mod-only, but that only serves to rile up viewers as well. And this all started because of the removal (and addition) of emotes too.

 

[Grakl]

Did I say I was outraged?

Yes.