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Opinion Cringe TLoU2 controversy (SPOILER!!!)

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Honestly I don’t feel like it’s “SJW agenda pushing” - yes there is a trans character (no not Abby) yes Ellie is a lesbian, but the whole narrative can be boiled down in its essence to “both sides”. That’s legit the entire thing. Which is not something most hardcore SJW types are into (nor anti-sjw types I assume). That is the narrative. Is it as good or impactful as the first? No. Has pacing issues, writing issues, little convoluted, could’ve been cut down a bit - but ultimately the story is serviceable enough that it’s still better than many video game stories. Everything else, the gameplay, graphics etc are better than the first.

Looks to me like Druckman is just making sure his game is as diverse as possible. I don't mind diversity if it isn't mere tokenism.
 

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Your responses and the fact you can't see the insanely obvious points that are right in your face clearly show you are the type of person this game was made for. Congratulations.

I'm not saying that I disagree with those points. Of course gay people are normal. Yes there are strong women in the world. Etc. Etc.
But I don't need to have these points shoved in my face. I see it in real life already.
I play games to escape real life, not to be told what is politically correct.
You and the people who liked your post are what's wrong with gaming culture. Nothing has been pushed, you're just so deluded you think an agenda is being pushed. You are seeing something that's not really there, an idea or ideology that exists in your head. I'm very anti SJW, I can't stand all that bullshit. The only thing for me is Abby being a butch, I'd rather a sexy female but I don't see much pushing going on, it's a fictional story in a video game, get a grip!
 

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Never skip a cutscene! It's a crime :messenger_tears_of_joy: I'm trying so hard not to spoil major things, but I think you'll love it and you'll be surprised about all the hate against it. Nothing is forced at all, all who says so is bullshitting and didn't play/finish the game.

I'd take TLOU2 any day, those over-sexualized games never had any issues for those basement masturbators:

Tom Raider, although you can give it a pass



Nier Automata, WTF?





Aloy is well dressed, and a convincing female character



Same goes for Ellie



Yes there are semi-sexual moments in TLOU2, and the true sexual moment is actually heterosexual.

Your taste in women is :sick:

Not sure what you're trying to say here anyway, but I'm a straight man and I don't support LGBT nor they affect my life to care much about them. Movies like the latest Ghost Busters and Captain Marvel are shit because agendas are being forced, TLOU2 has the story tightly written and it doesn't circulates about lesbians/LGBT. I love sexy females, and I find Ellie sexy, she just doesn't need to dress like a stripper to be so. I love The Witcher 3, and you know what's going on in that game as well. You just don't need it to be on your face all the time, and if you like it that way then maybe you need to get laid to ease up the steam. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

By the way, I like them thicc (in reality).:lollipop_wink_tongue:

Wait wut? How can you be aware of Captain Marvel agendas but not TLOU2? *Looks at the Sony avatar*, ah ok, that make sense.
 
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Your taste in women is :sick:



Wait wut? How can you be aware of Captain Marvel agendas but not TLOU2? *Looks at the Sony avatar*, ah ok, that make sense.

Lara Croft and that Nier girl are both sexy, it's not what I'm talking about. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Captain Marvel is a shit movie, that's the problem. Wonder Woman was a good movie, because it wasn't about serving agendas, but having a good story to tell.
 

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Lol. Are you trolling?

A) It's a completely new story. The only thing that continues from the first game is that you follow Ellie. But even she's a completely different character now.
The first game was about the relationship between Joel and Ellie. The continuation of this is certainly not the main narrative of the second game. Not by a long shot.

B) The game was specifically made for SJW types. The whole game is FULL of SJW politics. If you can't see it then you either enjoy that shit, which it sounds like you do, or you are blind and have no idea what the typical SJW ideology is.

Lets see how many of the woke, SJW ideology boxes it ticks:

- Women good, men bad.
- Straight, white men are over represented.
- Women are strong
- Diverse representation is a must. Game has blacks, Hispanic, Asian, white, trans, lesbians, etc., etc.
- Trans people are suppressed and discriminated on
- Gays are marginalised by bigots in the world
- Trans and gay people are normal and should be supported.
- Those who disagree must be punished
- Lesbian/gay relationships are normal and need to be portrayed as such.
Plus more. These are the main obvious ones.

The game is riddled with this crap.

OP, if you genuinely don't like SJW pandering, you WILL NOT enjoy this game. Skip it.

This list is totally incorrec

I’m amazed that someone will complain in public in 2020 that Hispanics, blacks and Asians are in a game. It’s not 1950. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
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This list is totally incorrec

I’m amazed that someone will complain in public in 2020 that Hispanics, blacks and Asians are in a game. It’s not 1950. You should be ashamed of yourself.

yeah how is “Game has blacks, Hispanic, Asian, white, trans, lesbians, etc., etc.” -“SJW”? And “-Lesbian/gay relationships are normal and need to be portrayed as such.” - I think you may be less anti sjw and more racist and homophobic as fuck
 

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You and the people who liked your post are what's wrong with gaming culture. Nothing has been pushed, you're just so deluded you think an agenda is being pushed. You are seeing something that's not really there, an idea or ideology that exists in your head. I'm very anti SJW, I can't stand all that bullshit. The only thing for me is Abby being a butch, I'd rather a sexy female but I don't see much pushing going on, it's a fictional story in a video game, get a grip!
Fuck off.
You are the problem for supporting this SJW nonsense.
Bullshit you are anti SJW. You're clearing eating up their identity politics so nicely you can't even taste it. Tell me specifically what it is that's SJW that you don't like. Because if you really didn't like SJW bullshit, you would see it in this game.

Let me spell it out for you and everyone who can't see it. I'll expand on my previous post.

- Straight, white men are over represented.
Hence why they got rid off the straight, white male lead from the previous game as soon as they possibly could. Can't have another straight, white, male game, oh no sir. Now Joel's death in itself is not the problem, but the way in which they did it makes no sense. He was careless and let his guard down for no reason. Completely the opposite to how he was in the first game.
- Women are strong Abby. Enough said.
- Diverse representation is a must. Game has blacks, Hispanic, Asian, white, trans, lesbians, etc., etc. Yes I'm sure in a post-apocalyptic world, all races/sexes/gender types etc. band together to form groups that mostly include one of each of them.
- Trans people are suppressed and discriminated on Lev entire story arch. You really think Trans issues would be a problem in a post-apocalyptic world? No one would give a shit. No one gives a shit about this stuff now (except for the minority of people who actively want to see more of this type of representation (probably you)) and no one would give a shit then either. But no, it's a huge side plot of the story. Lev and his entire story arch is complete tokenism.
I mean, watch this scene. The writing (and acting) is so forced and cringe. Not to mention is boring and uninteresting as fuck. Can you honestly tell me this side plot is interesting??
- Gays are marginalised by bigots in the world Bigot Sandwiches scene is a perfect example. How the hell can you not watch this and see this entire exchange exists purely for the sole purpose of showing the kind of struggles that gay people go through (supposedly) every day. And of course, the bigot comes around and ends up groveling for forgiveness. Gotta drive home how pathetic bigots are. Also, Ellie killed a canibal that was going to eat her with a machete in the first game.. but no, in this game she gets offended by mean homophobic words. Oh and did I mention the bigot happened to be a straight white male?
- Trans and gay people are normal and should be supported. Again, Lev's entire boring story and the focus on how much Abby and her group cares for him and the shit he's going through.
- Those who disagree must be punished Again. Lev. His cult tribe are painted as terrible people, which they are, but of course the main sin that is focused on is that they don't support Lev's transition.
- Lesbian/gay relationships are normal and need to be portrayed as such. The entire farm sequence. Make sure we put in a dancing scene to show how happy and normal gay couples are!

Are you fucking blind?? How can you not see it? This game has SJW written all over it. The dialogue is so damn cringe.

Finally, Neil Druckmann himself has stated that this game is heavily influenced by his political agenda. He admires and is influenced by Anita Sarkeesian. That alone should be enough to tell you how SJW this trash is.

I’m amazed that someone will complain in public in 2020 that Hispanics, blacks and Asians are in a game. It’s not 1950. You should be ashamed of yourself.
yeah how is “Game has blacks, Hispanic, Asian, white, trans, lesbians, etc., etc.” -“SJW”? And “-Lesbian/gay relationships are normal and need to be portrayed as such.” - I think you may be less anti sjw and more racist and homophobic as fuck

You don't understand what you're talking about. I don't have a single problem with any of these races, or with gays or trans people. The fact that these people are in a game is not the problem. That's what you don't understand. It's the reasoning behind it that is the problem. They are all tokens. They are all in there to tick a representation and diversity checkbox. That is what I and all the "haters" as you have labelled us, have a problem with.

The first game had gay characters and no one cared. You know why? Because the fact that they are gay had nothing to do with the story. You find out Bill was gay, and then move on. The game doesn't dwell on it and try to show you his "gay struggles" or how he handles bigots.
When you meet someone who's gay in real life, does your conversation and interaction with them revolve around their sexuality? I bet it doesn't.
 

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Fuck off.
You are the problem for supporting this SJW nonsense.
Bullshit you are anti SJW. You're clearing eating up their identity politics so nicely you can't even taste it. Tell me specifically what it is that's SJW that you don't like. Because if you really didn't like SJW bullshit, you would see it in this game.

Let me spell it out for you and everyone who can't see it. I'll expand on my previous post.

- Straight, white men are over represented.
Hence why they got rid off the straight, white male lead from the previous game as soon as they possibly could. Can't have another straight, white, male game, oh no sir. Now Joel's death in itself is not the problem, but the way in which they did it makes no sense. He was careless and let his guard down for no reason. Completely the opposite to how he was in the first game.
- Women are strong Abby. Enough said.
- Diverse representation is a must. Game has blacks, Hispanic, Asian, white, trans, lesbians, etc., etc. Yes I'm sure in a post-apocalyptic world, all races/sexes/gender types etc. band together to form groups that mostly include one of each of them.
- Trans people are suppressed and discriminated on Lev entire story arch. You really think Trans issues would be a problem in a post-apocalyptic world? No one would give a shit. No one gives a shit about this stuff now (except for the minority of people who actively want to see more of this type of representation (probably you)) and no one would give a shit then either. But no, it's a huge side plot of the story. Lev and his entire story arch is complete tokenism.
I mean, watch this scene. The writing (and acting) is so forced and cringe. Not to mention is boring and uninteresting as fuck. Can you honestly tell me this side plot is interesting??
- Gays are marginalised by bigots in the world Bigot Sandwiches scene is a perfect example. How the hell can you not watch this and see this entire exchange exists purely for the sole purpose of showing the kind of struggles that gay people go through (supposedly) every day. And of course, the bigot comes around and ends up groveling for forgiveness. Gotta drive home how pathetic bigots are. Also, Ellie killed a canibal that was going to eat her with a machete in the first game.. but no, in this game she gets offended by mean homophobic words. Oh and did I mention the bigot happened to be a straight white male?
- Trans and gay people are normal and should be supported. Again, Lev's entire boring story and the focus on how much Abby and her group cares for him and the shit he's going through.
- Those who disagree must be punished Again. Lev. His cult tribe are painted as terrible people, which they are, but of course the main sin that is focused on is that they don't support Lev's transition.
- Lesbian/gay relationships are normal and need to be portrayed as such. The entire farm sequence. Make sure we put in a dancing scene to show how happy and normal gay couples are!

Are you fucking blind?? How can you not see it? This game has SJW written all over it. The dialogue is so damn cringe.

Finally, Neil Druckmann himself has stated that this game is heavily influenced by his political agenda. He admires and is influenced by Anita Sarkeesian. That alone should be enough to tell you how SJW this trash is.




You don't understand what you're talking about. I don't have a single problem with any of these races, or with gays or trans people. The fact that these people are in a game is not the problem. That's what you don't understand. It's the reasoning behind it that is the problem. They are all tokens. They are all in there to tick a representation and diversity checkbox. That is what I and all the "haters" as you have labelled us, have a problem with.

The first game had gay characters and no one cared. You know why? Because the fact that they are gay had nothing to do with the story. You find out Bill was gay, and then move on. The game doesn't dwell on it and try to show you his "gay struggles" or how he handles bigots.
When you meet someone who's gay in real life, does your conversation and interaction with them revolve around their sexuality? I bet it doesn't.
I see and understand all of everything you say, I don't personally like any of it.. As far as Anita Cuntbag, I hate that toe rag as much as anyone, I don't like that she has had some influence in this. . But all that is minor portion of the story and game.. All story driven games have some cringe bullshit in it and sometimes feels forced whether it be this or something else. You don't like the way they told the story then fine but the game is so much more than this bullshit.. You can knock down some points for this and it is a valid argument to why you don't like the game. But the way people are making a big deal out of this like you are and saying the game is complete and utter fucking trash is just not true.. That is the part I defend!
 
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I am not gonna argue here, i do not feel the game tells us what is politically correct and how we should behave or act upon discrimination at all and I will leave it at that. You have your POV and I have mine I agree to disagree with you.


Survivor NG+ here i come.

Sorry pal, but the director of the game has literally outlined how he introduces his political agenda based on the likes of Anita Sarkeesian through character design alone.

Yes, the game panders to SJW and third wave feminism. It’s a fact.
 

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I see and understand all of everything you say, I don't personally like any of it.. As far as Anita Cuntbag, I hate that toe rag as much as anyone, I don't like that she has had some influence in this. . But all that is minor portion of the story and game.. All story driven games have some cringe bullshit in it and sometimes feels forced whether it be this or something else. You don't like the way they told the story then fine but the game is so much more than this bullshit.. You can knock down some points for this and it is a valid argument to why you don't like the game. But the way people are making a big deal out of this like you are and saying the game is complete and utter fucking trash is just not true.. That is the part I defend!
That's fine. You can obviously look past all that nonsense and enjoy the game. Good for you.

I can't. To me, it ruins the entire story because most of the characters are built and based around the points I made. It's too forced and too obvious, it's bad writing, so it takes me out of the immersion. I can't possibly enjoy the story when I am so aware of the reasoning behind certain dialogue and scenes. I'll be watching something then bam, "Ok, that line was clearly just to show how Ellie deals with bigots." or "This entire conversation is to demonstrate the hardships faced by trans people." To me, that is shit writing. If the writing is good, you don't notice these things.
 
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Lol. Are you trolling?

A) It's a completely new story. The only thing that continues from the first game is that you follow Ellie. But even she's a completely different character now.
The first game was about the relationship between Joel and Ellie. The continuation of this is certainly not the main narrative of the second game. Not by a long shot.

B) The game was specifically made for SJW types. The whole game is FULL of SJW politics. If you can't see it then you either enjoy that shit, which it sounds like you do, or you are blind and have no idea what the typical SJW ideology is.

Lets see how many of the woke, SJW ideology boxes it ticks:

- Women good, men bad.
- Straight, white men are over represented.
- Women are strong
- Diverse representation is a must. Game has blacks, Hispanic, Asian, white, trans, lesbians, etc., etc.
- Trans people are suppressed and discriminated on
- Gays are marginalised by bigots in the world
- Trans and gay people are normal and should be supported.
- Those who disagree must be punished
- Lesbian/gay relationships are normal and need to be portrayed as such.
Plus more. These are the main obvious ones.

The game is riddled with this crap.

OP, if you genuinely don't like SJW pandering, you WILL NOT enjoy this game. Skip it.
Well... that's mighty racist of you.
 
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Well... that's mighty racist of you.
No it isn't. Where I did say that I disagree with any of those points? I merely highlighted a checklist.

Just because I don't want someone repeatedly yelling to my face "black lives matter" doesn't mean I don't care about black people.

If I don't want someone repeatedly telling me "You should support gay marriage" doesn't mean I don't support gay marriage.

That's my point. I don't need to be told these things.
Most decent people are already accepting and supportive of gays, trans, all races, and they don't need to be told this crap repeatedly.

But no, all movies and now games, clearly, feel the need to keep shoving this shit down our throats.
 
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No it isn't. Where I did say that I disagree with any of those points? I merely highlighted a checklist.

Just because I don't want someone repeatedly yelling to my face "black lives matter" doesn't mean I don't care about black people.

If I don't want someone repeatedly telling me "You should support gay marriage" doesn't mean I don't support gay marriage.

That's my point. I don't need to be told these things.
Most decent people are already accepting and supportive of gays, trans, all races, and they don't need to be told this crap repeatedly.

But no, all movies and now games, clearly, feel the need to keep shoving this shit down our throats.
Well that's great news because TLOU2 doesn't do any of that.
 
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Why would they when most muscular males are actually on roids themselves? Like many Hollywood and games protagonists? They call the meds that improves her character/perks as "supplements", just like those buffed guys on roids tend to call them.

There are some muscular females as well, with roids as well like the rest of the males. Natural bodybuilders are pretty rare, as you can have decently muscled was naturally but takes long time and great genetics.
So this is your fetish.
Call others basement masturbators for nier but testoschick are ok to spank spunk to huh?
Pervert
 
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Ah yes, the same Joel that immediately trusted Henry and Sam in the first game is so out of character for doing the same in TLOU2.
You're so full of shit.

I recall Joel beating the shit out of Henry and the established trust between both parties seemed to develop organically. In TLoU 2, why didn't Tommy or Joel immediately suspect a random stranger lurking around Jackson who "randomly" bumped into them? And they should've never let their guard down as soon as they saw Abby's people open the gates to the secured hideout.
 
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Ah yes, the same Joel that immediately trusted Henry and Sam in the first game is so out of character for doing the same in TLOU2.
You're so full of shit.
Way to change the subject. :messenger_clapping: :messenger_grinning_smiling:

Immediately trusted? Hah.
Look at Joel's body language when Ellie mentions her name.

Not to mention its a completely different scenario. A guy and his son, similar to himself and Ellie, vs a group of armed strangers.

Sorry but it's quite clear your are the one that's thoroughly full of shit.

Edit: I meant to say "guy and his brother" (not that it matters)
 
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I don't mind gay characters in fiction. I like that the strong woman character in TLoU2 is actually very muscular (I am guessing by some spoilers I heard). Thank you for your input.
Being a muscular woman doesnt make you gay. Even if theres gay characters in a game. They EXIST. Do they stop existing when theres zombies?

Its not believable to have a buff woman in a game. But this is^. Ok. Im like 90 percent done with the game. I think its like a 85. Game is awesome. Story is ok to good. The bullshit all little snowflakes cried about I have zero issue with. I have issues the some plotholes and I would prefer the second half of the story to be the first.

People had issue with the mainly black cast of US(the movie). Representation really sets the poptarts off.
 

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I recall Joel beating the shit out of Henry and the established trust between both parties seemed to develop organically. In TLoU 2, why didn't Tommy or Joel immediately suspect a random stranger lurking around Jackson who "randomly" bumped into them? And they should've never let their guard down as soon as they saw Abby's people open the gates to the secured hideout.
What are you talking about? They found Abby by accident and helped each other from a horde of infected. Their only logical choice for a safe place to stay was at where Abby and her group was staying. That's MUCH more organic and believable than trusting someone immediately after beating the crap out of you.
 

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Way to change the subject. :messenger_clapping: :messenger_grinning_smiling:

Immediately trusted? Hah.
Look at Joel's body language when Ellie mentions her name.

Not to mention its a completely different scenario. A guy and his son, similar to himself and Ellie, vs a group of armed strangers.

Sorry but it's quite clear your are the one that's thoroughly full of shit.
That's a guy and his brother. And Joel stopped punching Henry because Sam was holding him at gun point.
And look for my other post.
 
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What are you talking about? They found Abby by accident and helped each other from a horde of infected. Their only logical choice for a safe place to stay was at where Abby and her group was staying. That's MUCH more organic and believable than trusting someone immediately after beating the crap out of you.
Ellie stopped Joel from killing Henry and Joel calmed down as soon as he saw Sam holding a gun to him at pointblank. Joel was also more likely to trust someone who was hanging around a kid than a larger group of armed individuals. And no, retreating to the hideout where Abby and the other WLF members were staying was not a logical choice, nor was it the only choice. And despite being saved by Tommy and Joel, Abby still decides to hold a grudge against Joel for what he did? And just to clarify, Joel saving Ellie at the end of TLoU was the most rational decision because the Fireflies were not only most likely a group of terrorists looking to use a vaccine or cure as leverage over the government and military, they were ill-equipped and Jerry Anderson probably wasn't a certified doctor before the initial outbreak (If Jerry is suspected to be in his mid-30s to mid-40s when he was confronted and killed by Joel, then Jerry would've been 25 years old before the outbreak and 20-year time lapse in TLoU if he was 45). The Fireflies also failed many times previously before stumbling upon the existence of Ellie in their attempts of developing a vaccine or cure (Documents proved that other individuals similar to Ellie existed). Both writers Druckmann and Gross decided to forgo the original development and prescribed traits of established characters from TLoU so they can present a "compelling" moral commentary relative to revenge, which is used to justify the ridiculous shock-and-awe death of a male lead character beloved by many fans of this series. I don't remember Abby appearing in TLoU or being mentioned at all and it's a bit odd that Jerry Anderson's ethnic background was changed in TLoU 2. It makes me wonder how attached Druckmann is to Abby's character after shoehorning her into the story, especially when the rationale used to justify her path of revenge is.... ridiculous. Just because Jerry wanted to develop a vaccine or cure doesn't necessarily mean that he would've been able to, despite whatever Druckmann believes. Revenge has been described as bittersweet and yet by the end of TLoU 2, Abby gets to walk away and Ellie loses everything (And even though Ellie was emotionally distressed after finding out Mel was pregnant, she's smart enough to know not to leave her map behind. But she did and Abby ambushed the movie theater). No, the writers definitely tried to humanize Abby and garner more sympathy for her from the audience. Why? Fuck if I know. A straightforward and honest revenge story would've been better (Like John Wick). Attempting to make me give a shit about Abby was lame.

TL;DR:
Fuck Abby.
 
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The sad thing is that the game does have some issues and room for improvement but it gets caught up in all this culture war crap. The game does have faults but being woke is not one of them.
 
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So this is your fetish.
Call others basement masturbators for nier but testoschick are ok to spank spunk to huh?
Pervert

Well, all of them are penetrable in my book, but fighting beasts half-naked doesn't make me think it's a "convincing" outfit. If it's a porn game then I would get it. :lollipop_wink_tongue:
 
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Never skip a cutscene! It's a crime :messenger_tears_of_joy: I'm trying so hard not to spoil major things, but I think you'll love it and you'll be surprised about all the hate against it. Nothing is forced at all, all who says so is bullshitting and didn't play/finish the game.

I'd take TLOU2 any day, those over-sexualized games never had any issues for those basement masturbators:

Tom Raider, although you can give it a pass



Nier Automata, WTF?





Aloy is well dressed, and a convincing female character



Same goes for Ellie



Yes there are semi-sexual moments in TLOU2, and the true sexual moment is actually heterosexual.
The first one look more like an ass than a pass...
 
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Of course, it's distracting and made me die more, especially getting out of water with all those juicy reflections. :lollipop_wink_tongue: The camera angles are cheaply done for that purpose.:lollipop_anxious_sweat:
Never play rise of the tomb raider if you don't wanna die in the water...don't even search the gif of lara's ass if you care about the little friends inside your balls.
 

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Never play rise of the tomb raider if you don't wanna die in the water...don't even search the gif of lara's ass if you care about the little friends inside your balls.

I still think she can get a pass, but Nier game is just horrendous :lollipop_anxious_sweat: Many Japanese games are over-sexualized though. I think it's a cheap method to attract youngsters? Or unlucky adults as well. Some people were complaining about Kratos being half naked! Fucking Kratos! Which still debatable as well.

I would rather have an outfit representing the nature of the game, but you know most games make little sense anyway.
 
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I still think she can get a pass, but Nier game is just horrendous :lollipop_anxious_sweat: Many Japanese games are over-sexualized though. I think it's a cheap method to attract youngsters? Or unlucky adults as well. Some people were complaining about Kratos being half naked! Fucking Kratos! Which still debatable as well.

I would rather have an outfit representing the nature of the game, but you know most games make little sense anyway.
they are just easy on the eyes, no need to over analyze why japs insert naked bitches in their games, it was the same for western devs before the woke era where a sexy lady is a taboo.

why films have highly attractive and half naked actors most of the times?
 
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they are just easy on the eyes, no need to over analyze why japs insert naked bitches in their games, it was the same for western devs before the woke era where a sexy lady is a taboo.

why films have highly attractive and half naked actors most of the times?

Same there as well, most films are crap. But you can just leave the game if you don't like it if it's too much. Gears for example is as well too much, those are mutants not humans :lollipop_tears_of_joy:

Overall, I finished TLOU2 and it's not focused on lesbian/woke movement, Ellie and Dina aren't even 100% lesbians most of the time, more like bi. And that muscled girl... is a straight woman if someone is wondering, just seems to like steroids like many female fighters you find today and bodybuilders.
 
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I recall Joel beating the shit out of Henry and the established trust between both parties seemed to develop organically. In TLoU 2, why didn't Tommy or Joel immediately suspect a random stranger lurking around Jackson who "randomly" bumped into them? And they should've never let their guard down as soon as they saw Abby's people open the gates to the secured hideout.

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It will be interesting to see when I'm going to play part 2.
 

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The 1st game has great atmosphere which is essential for a game like this and better-than-Uncharted gameplay. Hope the sequel isn't as preachy as I am led to believe (though not following it closely).
 
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That's fine. You can obviously look past all that nonsense and enjoy the game. Good for you.

I can't. To me, it ruins the entire story because most of the characters are built and based around the points I made. It's too forced and too obvious, it's bad writing, so it takes me out of the immersion. I can't possibly enjoy the story when I am so aware of the reasoning behind certain dialogue and scenes. I'll be watching something then bam, "Ok, that line was clearly just to show how Ellie deals with bigots." or "This entire conversation is to demonstrate the hardships faced by trans people." To me, that is shit writing. If the writing is good, you don't notice these things.
Well I'm glad you are or had at least played it and feel that way rather than people who have not played it and preaching that it is crap and don't buy it and review bombing it etc. without even playing it.
 
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