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Imo Xbone lost the forums wars and that spillover to the gaming public.
Like also recent example of XBL Gold back pedaling...we have the power to make gaming a better place. :messenger_smiling:🤞

Oh yeah, like how forumers stopped microtransactions in their tracks, or how they got Call of Duty to have dedicated servers, or how they stopped paid online play.

We are an afterthought of an afterthought of an afterthought.
 

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What kills me is the digital price, you have NO ownership (no disc)
it costs NOTHING to produce (again no disc)
and it can be duplicated ad-nauseum so no printing cost (Nada Disc)
No money for adverts, books, labels etc (bla bla disc)
Lastly, unlike a disc a digital code can't be sold, so there's no real 3rd party market thus no MAJOR loss in sales (must mention disc)

SO WHY THE HELL IS DIGITAL SO #$!^#&*^%^$@%$#!@#$%$ EXPENSIVE?!?
If all publishers REALLY wanted to reap the profits just put new games on pre-order for $10 cheaper than physical. All profits would go to the publisher and many people would be more inclined to buy digital. As of now there is no good reason to buy a NEW game digital.
 
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Oh yeah, like how forumers stopped microtransactions in their tracks, or how they got Call of Duty to have dedicated servers, or how they stopped paid online play.

We are an afterthought of an afterthought of an afterthought.

MS under Phil is changing. i can't comment on others.
Mtx is something inevitable for today's business model
 

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Posters aren’t enemies. The almost instant attitude shift that has occurred in the literal last two weeks isn’t an organic or natural one. I was here one day and the threads were all fairly standard and more about games with some light console warring, the next it was all Sony is doomed. It wasn’t gradual and it didn’t coincide with any particular piece of news. Look at the comical amounts of baseless, too good to be true rumors being posted near daily giving us all reason to be super excited for Xbox. Funny coincidence that they have no big games aside from halo to sell their console. “But buy an Xbox, you might get Mario, wink” “oh what’s that? I hear Xbox may have another major unannounced game this year.”

Anyone that doesn’t at least try to understand the scope of astroturfing and the general control a 2 trillion dollar company can take of any website or forum they decide to is ignorant on purpose. Especially in the context of a company that has been caught doing it again and again.
Is this your first console gen? Abrupt about-faces in beliefs are commonplace these days, especially on an enthusiast forum, which is hardly the place to find reasoned and objective arguments. 99% of the internet is wholly reactive, and does not lend itself to proper discourse. No one wants to take the time to understand or explore a scenario, they only want to be correct and validated. So naturally the sentiments become very one-sided and tribal until another news-bit arrives and sways the mob to a different path.
 

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Sony fanboys just can't stand being a month or 2 without the medias favour. Remember how MS was bashed for a stupid online check in late 2013?

Or how the Xbox one was seen as an NES for rendering games at a slightly lower resolution than the ps4? The media kept bashing the Xbox for most of the generation. Some of it was deserved but things were blown way out of proportion.

When Sony screws up, they have legions of fanboys in the media to cover up or places like this or reset era to do damage control. Also to blow MS screw ups way out of proportion.

So think about this, for Sony to finally have negative PR they must be screwing up stuff real bad right?
 

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MS under Phil is changing. i can't comment on others.
Mtx is something inevitable for today's business model

Xbox adopts their strategy (and their money) based on what the global MS strategy is. Sony does the same.

Sony's and MS's plans have very little to do with what you post, which is why the hours and hours you spend trolling Sony and attempting to shape narratives here is wasted time.
 
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Rofl.
It's like in Soviet Union. Enemies of the state everywhere :D

Yup. You need to be enemy, because you dare to criticise billion dollar company if it makes questionable decisions.

Microsoft thought they are smart and 30 million Kinect's sold made them believe that everybody wants a Kinect in their home. And people hate them for it and this feedback pushed Microsoft towards Game Pass, backwards compatibility and many great things it's doing now.

Same with Sony. Yes, people love big story focused games. But they also love smaller games. They want a Game Pass competitor, because Game Pass is a great service. They don't want to pay more for games just because. And they want Kojima because maybe they loved Death Stranding and they don't want to buy another console just to play another Kojima game. It's simple.

Jimbo was telling "people don't play old games" until he brought backwards compatibility. Sony was praised for taking risk in game development until Bend was forced to work on Factions because their own game wasn't profitable enough (but it was profitable). Same for Death Stranding.
 

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If there’s anything I’ve learned from following gaming for the last 30 years, it’s that ANYBODY can fuck things up and squander a huge advantage almost overnight. It’s happened to all 3 (Wii -> Wii U, PS2 -> PS3, 360 -> X1).

Saying shit like “my chosen company has billions of dollars, they know what they’re doing, things are going to work out to their advantage just as they always have, the haters will be proven wrong” is such bullshit. Just a lie that fanboys circulate among each other to help them eliminate any doubts and maintain their faith in their gaming savior.
 

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I don't know if the thread is parody, but if it isn't: notice how he didn't write a paragraph to justify PlayStation exclusives coming to PC.

Sony bringing games to PC is the one thing that doesn't fit his narrative, and even he can't bring himself to defend or admit it is also a good idea for the company. But based on the additional millions of dollars in revenue Sony have been making from it, it too, was objectively a good idea.
 

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“The price hike is fine if you live in the US”
Thats alright then! Its £70 in the uk. Convert that to USD and you’ll see why people are rightly pissed off
You’re absolutely correct. I focused on € pricing because that’s close to me but £, CAD, AUD are also, if not even more egregious. Just saying Americans are last ones who should be complaining.

I don't know if the thread is parody, but if it isn't: notice how he didn't write a paragraph to justify PlayStation exclusives coming to PC.

Sony bringing games to PC is the one thing that doesn't fit his narrative, and even he can't bring himself to defend or admit it is also a good idea for the company. But based on the additional millions of dollars in revenue Sony have been making from it, it too, was objectively a good idea.
Nah, I completely forgot about it because don’t see an issue. Not a PC gamer btw. It just seems like very sound and logical idea, why would you leave money at the table? PC gaming is huge and you introduce your franchises to so many people who don’t play on consoles. No harm done.
 

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Nah, I completely forgot about it because don’t see an issue. Not a PC gamer btw. It just seems like very sound and logical idea, why would you leave money at the table? PC gaming is huge and you introduce your franchises to so many people who don’t play on consoles. No harm done.
Good to know. But why is the thread labelled 'cringe' if it's not parody; why do you keep making similar threads defending Sony? I can't tell if you're being serious, or are just pretending to imitate Shane Bettenhausen and the whole Sony Defense Force thing.
 
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2. What is Sony’s answer to Gamepass? There doesn’t need to be one. Their game development is costly, yes but they also sell a lot and are providing record profits for gaming division. Something is clearly working. PS Plus and Now are just enough.
This is true. The reason Microsoft is betting big on Gamepass is because of their consistent failure to develop exclusive games for going on a decade and a half at this point. They've made their bed and now they have to sleep in it.
3. Getting rid of Japan Studio. Japan is lost cause, they moved on from home console gaming for one reason or another. It’s all handheld and it’s all Nintendo. This isn’t Sony’s fault. Don’t tell me they created such a Japanese-centric games before because they didn’t, they only had third-party monopoly back at the time. It doesn’t get more Japanese than Ghost of Tsushima and it still didn’t sell as much as it should there (as your typical Monster Hunter or Dragon Quest) considering it’s their fucking history.
The collapse of the home console market in Japan is a serious problem for Sony. Games that are developed by third-party Japanese developers can become major successes in the west, and those games sell better on PlayStation than on Xbox. If Japan's domestic console market is flagging, it means that Japanese third parties will defect to Nintendo or to mobile development (which doesn't have legs in the west) and that means less profit for Sony. As to what Sony can do about this, I'm not sure. The obvious solution, a portable PS4 with HDMI out, may be technologically impossible.

And sure, Japan Studio wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire, but surely Sony isn't blameless in that. There are tons of talented Japanese developers being underutilized by Japanese third parties: Sony should be hiring them and putting them to work developing major titles. Instead it mismanaged its Japanese studio to the point that it had to close it.
4. Jimbo refused Kojima. Yes, because his game they invested so much in was a commercial (and to an extent critical) flop. If we can draw one conclusion from Sony’s MO is that they don’t tolerate failure. They gave him everything he wanted including help from other major studio, something he didn’t have at Konami during his last project there and he produced them that!? Let Microsoft fund his craziness from now on, good riddance.
This sort of approach isn't how Sony built up its world-class stable of first-party studios, and in fact has more in common with Microsoft's long track record of studio mismanagement. Imagine if Sony had pulled the plug on Naughty Dog or Sucker Punch because Uncharted 1 or Infamous didn't meet expectations. If you want to make hits you have to tolerate some measure of failure. One mega-hit five or ten years from now will more than make up for a couple experimental flops.

Furthermore, the point of exclusive games isn't to make money. That's nice, of course, but the real point is to get people to buy into Sony's ecosystem. High-profile gonzo games like Death Stranding are more useful as advertisements for PlayStation as a platform than they are as actual games: plenty of my friends who will never play Death Stranding heard about it and knew it was only on PlayStation, and that kind of mindshare is invaluable for the platform.
5. Sony only creates narrative-focused action-adventures that all look and play samey. Well, that’s objectively not true because they funded many experimental projects but key is that they found their niche and are excelling at it. It’s become their brand and what community expects from them. It works. People that don’t wish Sony good are trying to tell them to do something else, create new IP, experiment with indie ideas etc. Meaning, burn your hard-earned money just to feel good all the way to bankruptcy. Why don’t you tell Nintendo to finally move on from Zelda and Mario after 30 fucking years or Microsoft with their worn out Halo franchise. Na-ah, I’m seeing right through your ill intentions.
Nintendo doesn't only make Zelda and Mario, of course, and Zelda and Mario are extremely distinct from each other in the first place. In addition to Zelda and Mario, Nintendo has a flagship JRPG series (Pokemon), a flagship house-decorating game for girls (Animal Crossing), a flagship racing game, a flagship fighting game, a couple mid-tier JRPG series (Xeno and Fire Emblem), and so on.

Now obviously Sony doesn't need to be as self-sufficient as Nintendo because it has much stronger third party support. But it should absolutely be developing games in-house to fill gaps in the PlayStation's library and to exploit different market niches. For instance, Microsoft has suddenly cornered the market on WRPGs with its purchase of Zenimax and Obsidian. Sony needed to have a AAA WRPG in development yesterday. Do they? Or are they going to double and triple down on cinematic third-person action games until that market segment begins to stagnate and then they have to scramble to find some other market niche to exploit?
6. 70$. This is only egregious in Europe where it’s 80€ but because of the weak dollar right now it’s nothing in US. Your recent standard hike perfectly justifies this price hike. But key here is that Sony’s games drop their price relatively quickly and there are tons of sales and deals throughout the year, it’s really not an issue unless you’re Day 1 zealot. Nintendo, meanwhile, doesn’t know what discount is, sells their old games at full price and people still buy their shit in droves.
Agreed. $70 is a non-issue in the US. Sony's pricing in Europe and certain other markets is a problem, though.
Conclusion. Jim Ryan led SCEE very successfully for years and that’s why he got this job. Even if some decisions are not immediately popular with tiny but loud internet crew, I’m sure they’re best for the company. Until it shows in financial results I have no reason to doubt them. Dark days of early-mid PS3 lifecycle will never come back again.
Jim Ryan didn't get his job in a vacuum. The people responsible for Sony's revival in the late PS3 generation and the dominance of the PS4 were ousted as part of an internal power struggle. Whatever success Ryan is having is the result of the efforts of people like Layden and Yoshida, and Ryan's own performance simply does not inspire confidence.

At the moment, Sony is clearly still in a dominant position. And we should never underestimate Microsoft's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. But unless Sony is careful we might see a mid-generation inflection point similar to what happened with the PS3 and the 360, only in reverse.
 
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Posters aren’t enemies. The almost instant attitude shift that has occurred in the literal last two weeks isn’t an organic or natural one. I was here one day and the threads were all fairly standard and more about games with some light console warring, the next it was all Sony is doomed. It wasn’t gradual and it didn’t coincide with any particular piece of news. Look at the comical amounts of baseless, too good to be true rumors being posted near daily giving us all reason to be super excited for Xbox. Funny coincidence that they have no big games aside from halo to sell their console. “But buy an Xbox, you might get Mario, wink” “oh what’s that? I hear Xbox may have another major unannounced game this year.”

Anyone that doesn’t at least try to understand the scope of astroturfing and the general control a 2 trillion dollar company can take of any website or forum they decide to is ignorant on purpose. Especially in the context of a company that has been caught doing it again and again.
This is objectively true. We've got tons of polls here showing that a tiny proportion of Gaf prefers Xbox, yet somehow we're subjected to a constant flood of pro-Xbox nonsense. It's not natural, for sure, and it shouldn't be taken seriously. Ditto Microsoft's stable of paid social media influencers and YouTube personalities, and all the puff pieces they plant in the English-language tech press.

That doesn't mean that elements of Sony's behavior aren't actually concerning though.
 

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I think the xbox fan's gloating a bit should be expected, its not a giant conspiracy, you have to remember back in 2013 on here, lots of people that where going to buy xbox ones at launch was permabanned for simply wanting to buy the console, it was utterly bizare and everyone was gloating and cheering Bish on while he was banning people in waves that liked xbox, the constant DF threads until the One X was released "720p looool" "900p looool". "hahaha 900pvs1080p.gif"

So now that there are finaly some good news out of the xbox camp you should not be suprised to see them gloating a bit, especially with how you guys are imploding over the smallest of bad news, its pathetic to be honest.

Also to adress the Jim Ryan situation i agree with you OP on certain points, these things take years, if you want to blame anyone for the current focus on just AAA games and the disminishing Japanese focus you blame Shawn Layden and John Kodera, the two biggest cancers of Sony. The days of Kaz in charge are over, and now its just a western brand as i have been saying for three years now. (but considering you dont care at all about anything else than AAA i dont think you mind)

Also its impossible to discuss Sony here as a fan of the PS2, PSP, PS3, Vita and their strange but fun Japanese output anymore, thats what a lot of us old Sony fans liked about it, it was eastern strange games that you could not get anywhere else. now if you bring up the fact that you dont like sonys current direction you just get constatly shit thrown in your face "lol who cares about japanese games anyways, they sell like shit, i love god of war the new one and tlou2" "lol you are not really a sony fan, show psn, show a timestamped photo of your console" "go back to your xbox discord." ANY other consolebase on here can discuss shortcomings or dislikes or likes. But seemingly its impossible to do with Sony.

Also who gives a SINGLE FUCK about the financial winnings of a company? I want the best experiences and fun games, quirky games, i dont give a fuck about what the bottom line is for a company, they dont care about me the slightest, so why should i care at ALL if they are more profitable then ever if they dont have the output i liked during the ps3 and psp days? "Nooooo you have to like their current direction, loook they are making more money then ever!!!!" its such a stupid point unless you own stocks in the company. My enjoyment of their products and value for money is the ONLY thing that matters to me as a consumer, not how much money they are making.

lol (dark days of the ps3 cycle) that was honestly sony at their best and most creative, that and the vita is the console i had the most fun with ever.
 

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Imru’ al-Qays Imru’ al-Qays Uncharted 1 got 88 and first Infamous got 85 on MC. Uncharted was massive success right off the bat, Infamous not as much but enough to fund a (very good) sequel and later Second Son. It certainly wasn’t high-budget bizarro game like Death Stranding that didn’t pass critical or commercial threshold for success. Remember, Sony will give you a pass if you manage to achieve at least one of the two, doesn’t have to be both.

EDIT: another example is Days Gone. Poor initial reviews and, it seems, not enough of sales to justify continuing with the IP. Not saying 3-4M is bad but 3-4M now is not the same as 3-4M in 2008.
 
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Imru’ al-Qays Imru’ al-Qays Uncharted 1 got 88 and first Infamous got 85 on MC. Uncharted was massive success right off the bat, Infamous not as much but enough to fund a (very good) sequel and later Second Son. It certainly wasn’t high-budget bizarro game like Death Stranding that didn’t pass critical or commercial threshold for success. Remember, Sony will give you a pass if you manage to achieve at least one of the two, doesn’t have to be both.

EDIT: another example is Days Gone. Poor initial reviews and, it seems, not enough of sales to justify continuing with the IP. Not saying 3-4M is bad but 3-4M now is not the same as 3-4M in 2008.
Infamous 1 sold what, 2 million total? That's less than Bloodborne. Today's Sony would have absolutely mauled Sucker Punch for that sort of "failure."
 
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This is objectively true. We've got tons of polls here showing that a tiny proportion of Gaf prefers Xbox, yet somehow we're subjected to a constant flood of pro-Xbox nonsense. It's not natural, for sure, and it shouldn't be taken seriously. Ditto Microsoft's stable of paid social media influencers and YouTube personalities, and all the puff pieces they plant in the English-language tech press.

That doesn't mean that elements of Sony's behavior aren't actually concerning though.
Yet in the "for those that have both" thread, the Xbox won the poll despite a bunch of PS5 only owners voting for it. :pie_thinking:
 
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This is true. The reason Microsoft is betting big on Gamepass is because of their consistent failure to develop exclusive games for going on a decade and a half at this point. They've made their bed and now they have to sleep in it.
How does this keep getting peddled?

What are Forza Horizon 3 and 4? What is Forza Motorsport 7? What are the Ori games? What is Halo 5? What is the Halo MCC? Shit, Forza Horizon 2 was 7 years ago and is another one. These are all massive critical successes in both MC scores and playerbase. Sea of Thieves is a thriving community with over 4m sold on Steam and countless more on Xbox.

I get some people don't like some consoles but good god you don't need to exagerrate one of the consoles faults. This is just as bad as the walking simulator meme for PS titles. All you're doing is showing everybody you are completely ignorant.
 
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How does this keep getting peddled?

What are Forza Horizon 3 and 4? What is Forza Motorsport 7? What are the Ori games? What is Halo 5? What is the Halo MCC? Shit, Forza Horizon 2 was 7 years ago and is another one. These are all massive critical successes in both MC scores and playerbase. Sea of Thieves is a thriving community with over 4m sold on Steam and countless more on Xbox.

I get some people don't like some consoles but good god you don't need to exagerrate one of the consoles faults. This is just as bad as the walking simulator meme for PS titles. All you're doing is showing everybody you are completely ignorant.
LOL dude this is sad.
 

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This is true. The reason Microsoft is betting big on Gamepass is because of their consistent failure to develop exclusive games for going on a decade and a half at this point. They've made their bed and now they have to sleep in it.
1000% But at least their loyal fans(especially xboxone owners) benefit from it. The real coup is someone who didn’t have an xbox and can now sign up for gp and play what they want with one of the many deals available. They invested nothing and get the same benefits as any long term customer. If xbox is a service now that’s what they can expect. But yeah, you don’t give away games that history has shown people are willing to pay a premium for unless you’re making up for something.
 

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Infamous 1 sold what, 2 million total? That's less than Bloodborne. Today's Sony would have absolutely mauled Sucker Punch for that sort of "failure."
They wouldn’t because game got good to great reviews. I already told you that. It’s not devs problem if Sony’s marketing doesn’t do a good job. Devs only need to make sure game is as good as possible with allotted budget. That’s why they got another bite at the 🍒 with I2 (and SS). But series wasn’t going anywhere and smartly they decided to shut it down.

Are they little bit more impatient now? Sure, but who wouldn’t be in today’s ever-changing and highly competitive market.

I think not only sales or reviews but the whole game concept was insulting for Sony executives. They threw millions upon millions of dollars on FedEx courier simulator.
 
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They wouldn’t because game got good to great reviews. I already told you that. It’s not devs problem if Sony’s marketing doesn’t do a good job. Devs only need to make sure game is as good as possible with allotted budget. That’s why they got another bite at the 🍒 with I2 (and SS). But series wasn’t going anywhere and smartly they decided to shut it down.

Are they little bit more impatient now? Sure, but who wouldn’t be in today’s ever-changing and highly competitive market.

I think not only sales or reviews but the whole game concept was insulting for Sony executives. They threw millions upon millions of dollars on FedEx courier simulator.
Infamous is at an 85 Metacritic and Death Stranding is at an 82. The console market is LESS competitive now than it was back when the 360 was outselling the PS3. You are totally wrong on every count.
 
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