As long as its not taking many assets away from the big time studios making new games...then...its fine. Not for me...but its fine.
You're wanting objective answers to a subjective straw man argument.Aggressive? Please show me which part of that post was aggressive toward you. I'm listening. Stop being a softy.
You however omitted any argument entirely and went for misdirection and moving the goal post to gaslighting lol thats way more mean spirited :,(
anyway back on topic. Wanted to add that also, that another argument against resolution not being the reason for the delays is that some of those titles were actually more ambitious than titles coming out now so them being "sub HD" isnt the issue.
Now you can either retort that, or just say that I must be hurt or something. Not my style but maybe its yours. People usually do that when they have nothing to say anymore...
What? They are increasing way more than resolution in that comparison.You're wanting objective answers to a subjective straw man argument.
If resolution was the only thing you had to increase...
Slightly higher resolution:
There is definitely more to development time than resolution.What? They are incressing way more than resolution in that comparison.
And once again, I dont see say..elden ring as entirely a more ambitious achievement than say...what the original mass effect was aiming to achieve at the time. Or more recently the witcher 3
Longer development times started around the end of 360/ps3 into ps4/xbone era. Which resolution was still 1080p. So resolutoon has little to do with it. It's business practices, expenses, and monetized gaming strategies.
I dont mind it when its not relied upon and were recieving a great output of ambitious titles.There is definitely more to development time than resolution.
You said it yourself, but included monetization practices which most definitely isn't true for all games.
But what does any of that have to do with remakes and remasters as a whole?
Games you mentioned in 2007 were the product of technology moving forward.
There is nothing wrong with a company wanting to add new paint and even remodel old favorites with much more modern technology.
You might not like it, but that's a you problem.
The development of Resident evil 4 remake didn't slow down the development of Resident Evil 8, Street Fighter 6, Monster Hunter, megaman 11, Devil May Cry 5 and onwards.I dont mind it when its not relied upon and were recieving a great output of ambitious titles.
I think mgs 3 for example is a fine candidate for a remake.
But it should be sideware in comparison to whats coming out. Not the case right now...
Well i mean Capcom is doing good in terms of output overall. Putting other devs to shame. More proof that its the developers rather than the technology itself.The development of Resident evil 4 remake didn't slow down the development of Resident Evil 8, Street Fighter 6, Monster Hunter, megaman 11, Devil May Cry 5 and onwards.
In many cases, remakes and remasters are not even done in house, or at the very least not always with the same team.
Companies like Capcom have multiple teams doing various projects.
Demon Souls remake had no impact on Elden Ring.
Demon Souls remake wasn't even done by From Software at all.
So in the case of Naughty Dog remaking a game like TLOU, that's an odd one.Well i mean Capcom is doing good in terms of output overall. Putting other devs to shame. More proof that its the developers rather than the technology itself.
Im speaking in terms of it's emphasis overall, I dont like the way naughty dog for example is doing things, i also dont think games from the ps3/360 gen need re-releases or even remakes right now.
Ps2/xbox/GC era is as recent as it should get. IMO. Ps3/360/ps4/xbox one games being remade feels redundant and like a cash grab.
Because unfortunately...ambition and gameplay itself hasnt drastically improved since those gens at all. Hence why tlou part 1 remake is mainly a graphical one, because otherwise gameplay systems havent evolved much since tlou.
You also have psnow, and gamepass if you want to plstrean or play older titles on your current box.
Or just acknowledge that gaming isnt as good as it was as far as output, and dont just consume whatever they put out because you still want to believe your hobby hasnt been infiltrated by a more capitalistic mindset.So in the case of Naughty Dog remaking a game like TLOU, that's an odd one.
In their defense, they probably wanted to really nail down their true vision of the game, and the ps4 slightly enhanced remaster didn't do it justice enough.
In my case, I never played TLOU or even its remaster so it's a win for me, and I can see how it would annoy those who have already played the game once or twice with both ps3 and ps4 versions.
Though, you can say that will all remasters\remakes.
Some take it a bit further than others.
As far as cash grabs go, you either take it or leave it.
You're not forced to buy anything and as much as you would like a new game from company X you just have to wait or do something else until they feel like doing something new.
Ooooooor become the CEO\Publisher and force them yourself.
The reduced output is fine, it's not like I have that much free time to play that many games anyways. There are multiple companies making games, so it's quite ok.Or just acknowledge that gaming isnt as good as it was as far as output, and dont just consume whatever they put out because you still want to believe your hobby hasnt been infiltrated by a more capitalistic mindset.
There are plenty of games out there, and more on the horizon.I dont really buy these games, but that doesnt make anything better for me personally. Naughty Dog is still releasing those instead of new IP's for example, so it does still hurt me regardless.
There will always be that one guy who constantly wants new games and nothing else.Being vocal, and voting with your dollar would actually encourage more emphasis on new titles. But you have to compare to years like 2007 to have a standard on what you want to achieve.
Nothing is stopping you from doing so.Otherwise I'd rather retire and leave games to the 2000 kids who dont even know that gaming is lacking in outpit and ambition in tech.
Really?how many actual remakes can you think of that have come out in the past 3 years?
There's like, RE4 Remake, RE3 Remake, Dead space, TLOU Part 1, uh....... what else?
You don't care *how* the industry makes its money, or what those trends suggest for the future of the industry?The industry is supposed to be making money so I don't see anything negative about this.
I don't have a source for this, but I'd be willing to bet that we've seen far more remakes, remasters and reboots in the past 3 years than in the past entire decade of gaming, and we still have more of them on the wayThe fact that you had to pad the shit out of this list with remasters doesn't entirely help your point.
Nobody would be crying about remakes or even thinking about remakes if we kept getting fresh, good games all the time. We would be playing the NEW GAMES so much we wouldn'tbe thinking "man, I wish I could be playing a rezzed up version of that game I played 10 years ago instead".Only a small fraction of what EA or Capcom put out was a fucking remake to really act as if this is some industry shattering shit. In fact, so little remakes release, if we got NEW FUCKING GAMES at the same rate as remakes, you'd be fucking crying over getting so little releases.
Yes. At least that way there's a chance you get another re 2005 moment, instead of just replaying older gamesThink clearly about this folks.
We got RE2 and RE3 remake last gen......sooooo if we just got 2 new games from Capcom, but shit zero remakes, that would be better or something?
You don't care *how* the industry makes its money, or what those trends
I don't have a source for this, but I'd be willing to bet that we've seen far more remakes, remasters and reboots in the past 3 years than in the past entire decade of gaming
We have more new games that are releasing factually. Your opinion if you think those games are good or not has no relevance to any of this and clearly this new goal post is being made as you obviously understand we are not getting more fucking remakes then actual new games, now suddenly its about your feelings on "fresh" games lolNobody would be crying about remakes or even thinking about remakes if we kept getting fresh, good games all the tim
Yes. At least that way there's a chance you get another re 2005 moment, instead of just replayin
I hear you and agree to an extent but I don't see why we can't have both.Well ideally we should have games out that smoke the old ones. If the medium is progressing the way it should...
Gamers didnt want to even play gta 2 when GTA 3 was out. Mosy didnt really need to play half life 1 when half life 2 came out.
The progression was strong enough where the remake wasnt necessary.
This isn't about sony or a single publisher but all of them at once. But even if you wanted to use a single publisher as a metric, it still stands we have far more remakes these days then before. If you're going to use the fact that there were only 2 (out of 62 exclusive) "sony" remakes during the 7 years of the ps4, then wouldn't you say the 3 (out of 10 exclusive) sony remakes we've had just in the past 3 years so far (FFVIIR, Demons Souls and TLOU) of the ps5 suggests something? Maybe a trend of some sort?Not enough remakes are even made by publishers each generation to be crying this hard about this shit..... Look up how many games Sony put out last generation, Of all the games they put out only shadow of the colossus and medieval was remade
I am not suggesting publishers will stop putting out new games. I am suggesting they are less confident in them. Why? Because we are factually getting fewer aaa games than before while also recently getting more safe remakes than before.Look at how much game's Capcom put out last generation , I don't know what the fucking tell you or how to make this any clearer, Not enough of the thing you're complaining about is being made to pretend there's some slippery slope or dangerous turn where about to head into and regards to the overall industry. I mean shit, you are crying over the 2 or 3 remakes that get made by publishers that put out hundreds of games a generation?
You pointed out that the industry getting money is automatically a positive, I pointed out that the way it gets that money matters, meaning, for example, If they get all the money from mobile games sure they would still be getting money, but I don't think it would automatically be a positive. That was my point with the 'how' they get the money.This isn't a moral fucking argument, how they are making money isn't illegal regarding remakes and remakes are not a "trend" as we've been getting them for generations.
We. are. verifiably. not. having. more. games. releasing than ever.And? We've had more games that have released than any other time so of course we would see more remakes as time goes on because more series fucking exist to be remade you're arguing a moot point.
I did not state any where that we are getting more remakes than new games. Not once in this entire thread. This was even in my first response to you:We have more new games that are releasing factually.... you obviously understand we are not getting more fucking remakes then actual new games, now suddenly its about your feelings on "fresh" games lol
---------------------------"We still get far more new games than remakes" - Of course, there will never be more remakes than new games. What a lot of remakes all at once suggests is the issue, not the remakes themselves. The trend behind the wave of remakes, not the remakes themselves.
I will assume you only read the op (which is fair, and reply to that). The point in the op isn't that we are getting more remakes than new games, since I never said that. I saidYour opinion if you think those games are good or not has no relevance to any of this and clearly this new goal post is being made ... now suddenly its about your feelings on "fresh" games lol
how did you get "we're getting more new games than remakes" from that?The risk in developing new games is always higher than remaking an already popular game ... but what it means when developers are increasingly falling back on guaranteed sales is that they really want to follow the money with as little risk as possible.
Of course not, but I would rather have Hi-Fi rush and Forspoken over the evil within remake and a final fantasy 15 remake. Even if one ends up shit and one ends up great. Do you see the point I'm trying to make?A remake not happening didn't mean the game that the studio makes instead was going to be good or "fresh" or any of that shit.
Of course new doesn't automatically mean good, but I would much rather publishers take a chance than be constantly looking for how they can make as much money with the safest play. Like I said in the op, that's what's worrying, the trend of the remakes and what they suggest.A remake, remaster, new game, sequel, new IP etc all can be flops and trash.
"Of course new doesn't automatically mean good, but I would much rather publishers take a chance than be constantly looking for how they can make as much money with the safest play. Like I said in the op, that's what's worrying, the trend of the remakes and what they suggest."The deep, deep lolz, my god I think you're gonna need to read that a bit more slowly my friend Capcom released more than 2 fucking new games last generation ....
the thing you're talking about is not an either or, we got 2 remakes of Resident Evil games we also got 2 brand new ones with 7 and 8 last gen.
So I don't know how you could understand this any better but the remake not existing does not mean a new game would magically exist in its place or that it would be fresh and good etc, as in we were not going to fucking get 4 brand new mainline Resident Evil games last generation if zero remakes existed or something lol
-------------------------------------------------"Remakes don't cost as much and don't take as long to develop" - They cost funding that could have been put to more smaller budget new games like hi-fi rush or sifu, or funding support studios to make bigger budget games come out fasted. And again, the remakes themselves are not the problem, the suggestion of the trend of a lot of remakes at once is.
1. Why do you keep mentioning sony. They don't "put" anything out, they are one publisher (of many) who paid to publish 62 games (apparently) solely on the ps4. But let's use sony as an example: if we already have more remakes (with more incoming) in 3 years than the ps4 had, while also expecting the ps5 to have far fewer than 62 games at the end of the generation, what does that suggest? More big budget remakes are being made than ever before, no?When you have Sony put out almost 100 games on PS4 and shit, 2 of em are remakes and you are crying over this, this sounds like a giant overreaction.
"You can't tell that just from more publishers producing more and more remakes" - sure, I can't. But that fact coupled with the facts thatA remake is way to generate funds sure, but all games are, consumers have no issues with them and they are amongst of the rarest releases in gaming and the amount of brand new titles being made, shows zero evidence that we would have had MORE if 2 fucking games didn't release.
No, gsg were asked to remake gta trilogy because rockstar probaly knew that gta 6 has taken too long and they realize they need more reliable ways to make money (gta online, more remakes) than the 10 YEARS AND COUNTING it takes to make a current gta game. I don't care about the gta trilogy, I care about rockstar maybe not being so confident in making GTA 7 or 8 after noticing that they need more reliable ways to make money than waiting a whole decade for that new GTA when they could just instead be updating GTA online like fortnite, apex, etc. That's what's worrying. What the trend suggests.Its not only absurd, no evidence exist to even remotely support this, unless you think Groove Street Games was going to make the greatest GTA game of all time and ohhhh shucks, we didn't get it cause a pesky remake =)
that still isnt enough to be anything major when they've also published Miles Morales, Ragnarok, GT7, Horizon Forbidden West, Kena, Stray, Sifu, Rift Apart, Returnal, Ghost of Tsushima in that time as well. 10 games comprising of sequels and new ip. 3 remakes. These are not a frequent industry wide trend, theres just a few more of them now bcz many publishers are testing the waters by reviving old ip these days.then wouldn't you say the 3 (out of 10 exclusive) sony remakes we've had just in the past 3 years so far (FFVIIR, Demons Souls and TLOU) of the ps5 suggests something? Maybe a trend of some sort?
As you said they're backed in a corner, they don't want to take the risk to develop new games as often as before.The AAA industry has backed itself in a corner. The return of investment for many of those games requires the game to be an absolute masterpiece, and that’s too often not the case. Games released in an unpatched state also suffer from early impression bias, with people not buying at release and not returning to check a game after it’s been fixed because more stuff has released in the meantime.
With remasters and remakes you’ll always have a good number of people opening their wallet no questions asked. Look at the numbers of RE4 remake, a game that has been ported to slightly less systems than Doom and most people bought at least twice. That’s a safe bet for devs and publishers, and if the money goes into making new good stuff, it’s win-win for everyone.
I agree. I think alot of the games that were remade or remastered barely needed it. Screamed more cash grab IMO looking at GTA V and Naughty Dog. Hell, why is deadspace getting a remake before so many classic ps2 games?I hear you and agree to an extent but I don't see why we can't have both.
It's not like they are remaking games like Turok or Manhunt.
Remaking decades old genre/generation defining games for a new audience/generation (while also making new games) can't possibly be a "bad" thing, imo at least
Alot of people dont want to say how old they are in these threads. I feel, personally it would make alot of peoples stances make more sense. In this particular case if you are in this thread and you are sub 23 yrs old....you're input on this is affected by that.Really?
FFVII, Links Awakening, Tony Hawk, Demon Souls, Destroy all Humans, Yakuza 1 2, Nier, Raiden III and IV - I could go on and on.
Whats worse is all the upcoming remakes - the train is heading to overdrive.
The industry is creativly bankrupt - just remaking everything. Its a joke. If you werent around to play those in the first place - then fine - but otherwise - No, im not excited for it.