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I'm pretty sure the majority of PlayStation users will be like this guy.


Most people will have access to YouTube. You don't need twitter or the forums to learn how to install one.

Anyways there are plenty of good guides out there even for those that don't really understand tech.


It's not like Sony is asking you to solder a new drive to the motherboard.
So you are expecting people to do their research, watch the video how to do it, buy the exact ssd with a heat sink, and plug in to their system.

If it was that easy, we would have flying cars by now.

Think of the steps I showed you, and tell me, how many people will follow that step. How many people will buy the correct ssd. And how many people, will buy the ssd with a heat sink.

You should know the answer to what we are talking.

If these guys passed these test, then there is no idiot in this world. And everyone is very smart.
 

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So you are expecting people to do their research, watch the video how to do it, buy the exact ssd with a heat sink, and plug in to their system.

If it was that easy, we would have flying cars by now.

Think of the steps I showed you, and tell me, how many people will follow that step. How many people will buy the correct ssd. And how many people, will buy the ssd with a heat sink.

You should know the answer to what we are talking.

If these guys passed these test, then there is no idiot in this world. And everyone is very smart.

Most people won't be installing a SSD. Neogaf is an outlier.
What's the average attach rate for a console during its life? Something like 10-15 games iirc.
Those people are just fine with the internal 1TB.
 
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So you are expecting people to do their research, watch the video how to do it, buy the exact ssd with a heat sink, and plug in to their system.

If it was that easy, we would have flying cars by now.

Think of the steps I showed you, and tell me, how many people will follow that step. How many people will buy the correct ssd. And how many people, will buy the ssd with a heat sink.

You should know the answer to what we are talking.

If these guys passed these test, then there is no idiot in this world. And everyone is very smart.

Look now you're getting desperate comparing the installation of an NVME to developing flying cars.

What next you're going to say you need a PHD in Electrical Engineering to install an NVME?

You're clearing underestimating the capabilities of the majority of console owners. You seem to think almost everyone will have difficulty installing the NVME or choosing one from an approved list of drives. Heck pretty sure some drives are going to be sold in places where the PS5 is being sold and they will have some sort of indication of comparability.

Do you really find it that difficult?
 
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Most people won't be installing a SSD. Neogaf is an outlier.
What's the average attach rate for a console during its life? Something like 10-15 games iirc.
Those people are just fine with the internal 1TB.
As a person with 500gb ps4, I will agree with you. I won't be doing too much games. Even my x1 is 1 tb and I dont have extra storage for it.
 

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I guess In the end all this proves is that R&C needs less total stream speed than whatever the PS5 I/O can make from the 3.9GB/s drive when combined with oodle + kraken?
 
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I guess In the end all this proves is that R&C needs less total stream speed than whatever the PS5 I/O can make from the 3.9GB/s drive when combined with oodle + kraken?

With the I/O complex it definitely seems to indicate that. But putting the NVME on a platform without similar custom I/O hardware could yield very different results.
 
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Look now you're getting desperate comparing the installation of an NVME to developing flying cars.

What next you're going to say you need a PHD in Electrical Engineering to install an NVME?

You're clearing underestimating the capabilities of the majority of console owners. You seem to think almost everyone will have difficulty installing the NVME or choosing one from an approved list of drives. Heck pretty sure some drives are going to be sold in places where the PS5 is being sold and they will have some sort of indication of comparability.

Do you really find it that difficult?
Its you who is overestimating these guys.

Not everyone is smart like you.

I am computer science guy, and I dont even know what pc gamers do. Nvme what ever is name is, was a nonexistent to me. Only when I watched usa tech, that this name got stuck to my brain.

How do you expect regular folks, who never saw these things, to know them?

You are expecting too much from them.
 
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Its you who is overestimating these guys.

Not everyone is smart like you.

I am computer science guy, and I dont even know what pc gamers do. Nvme what ever is name is, was a nonexistent to me. Only when I watched usa tech, that this name got stuck to my brain.

How do you expect regular folks, who never saw these things, to know them?

You are expecting too much from them.
Great, watch one quick tutorial on YouTube and there you go… c’mon.
 
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Most people won't be installing a SSD. Neogaf is an outlier.
What's the average attach rate for a console during its life? Something like 10-15 games iirc.
Those people are just fine with the internal 1TB.
100% this.

Have talked to a few of my friends who own a PS5 and several of them have purchased consoles to sit it under their entertainment center and not mess with it.

Have gotten a few "I am not doing that" as far as installing the extra SSD goes.

The people here do not want to hear we are the outliers.
 

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Consoles are supposed to be easy, uniform, plug and play machines. It's crazy how they are expecting people to research read/write speeds for compatibility, and then take a screwdriver to their hardware, attach a heatsink etc. The convergence of PCs and consoles really is progressing fast. This seems like it was a bad design feature on Sony's part. Doesn't the XSX simply have a regular looking memory card that you just insert in the front of the console?
 

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Consoles are supposed to be easy, uniform, plug and play machines. It's crazy how they are expecting people to research read/write speeds for compatibility, and then take a screwdriver to their hardware, attach a heatsink etc. The convergence of PCs and consoles really is progressing fast. This seems like it was a bad design feature on Sony's part. Doesn't the XSX simply have a regular looking memory card that you just insert in the front of the console?
Plugs into the back actually in its own port.

It wasnt all that long ago people were laughing at the idea these consoles would even have SSDs not arguing over speeds that quite honestly I am super grateful to even have on both PS5 and XSX
 
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Its you who is overestimating these guys.

Not everyone is smart like you.

I am computer science guy, and I dont even know what pc gamers do. Nvme what ever is name is, was a nonexistent to me. Only when I watched usa tech, that this name got stuck to my brain.

How do you expect regular folks, who never saw these things, to know them?

You are expecting too much from them.

Nah you're just assuming that most people are so lazy that they won't look it up if they want to replace the drive.

At this point you're not even arguing about their intelligence.

The ones that don't look it up are simply not interested in upgrading the storage.
 
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Consoles are supposed to be easy, uniform, plug and play machines. It's crazy how they are expecting people to research read/write speeds for compatibility, and then take a screwdriver to their hardware, attach a heatsink etc. The convergence of PCs and consoles really is progressing fast. This seems like it was a bad design feature on Sony's part. Doesn't the XSX simply have a regular looking memory card that you just insert in the front of the console?
Sony copying the IKEA strategy was a mistake, it's been proven time and time again that people are scared of screwdrivers.
 

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Nah you're just assuming that most people are so lazy that they won't look it up if they want to replace the drive.

At this point you're not even arguing about their intelligence.

The ones that don't look it up are simply not interested in upgrading the storage.
Lets agree to disagree.

We will wait 1 year. If there is no problem with the ssd, I am wrong then.

If people complained about their ps5 getting fried, then I was right.
 

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When out of the entire forum you have a single guy on ignore but everyone responds to his utter nonsense in every thread.

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This ignore guy doesnt have a weak feelings to block people, unlike you. Compared to me, people mock you so badly here.
 

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Plugs into the back actually in its own port.

It wasnt all that long ago people were laughing at the idea these consoles would even have SSDs not arguing over speeds that quite honestly I am super grateful to even have on both PS5 and XSX

SSDs have been so commonplace and inexpensive in PCs for so many years, that I think it would have been a surprise if the new consoles didn't have them.

Sony copying the IKEA strategy was a mistake, it's been proven time and time again that people are scared of screwdrivers.

Well, at least this sudden comfort with picking up a screwdriver, opening up your hardware, installing chips/drives means one less argument against building/upgrading your own PC among the usual console warriors. It's ok now that Sony does it...
 
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SSDs have been so commonplace and inexpensive in PCs for so many years, that I think it would have been a surprise if the new consoles didn't have them.



Well, at least this sudden comfort with picking up a screwdriver, opening up your hardware, installing chips/drives means one less argument against building/upgrading your own PC among the usual console warriors. It's ok now that Sony does it...
ultra m.2 pcie gen3 x4

That is my expansion card. Currently there is this ssd

Western Digital 240GB WD Green Internal PC SSD Solid State Drive - SATA III 6 Gb/s, 2.5"/7mm, Up to 550 MB/s - WDS240G2G0A

Western Digital Blue WD10EZEX 1TB SATA Hard Disk

Those are my 2 pc storage. I am afraid of damaging them.

What SSD fits them?

Is Samsung one safe for it?
 

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SSDs have been so commonplace and inexpensive in PCs for so many years, that I think it would have been a surprise if the new consoles didn't have them.



Well, at least this sudden comfort with picking up a screwdriver, opening up your hardware, installing chips/drives means one less argument against building/upgrading your own PC among the usual console warriors. It's ok now that Sony does it...
Building a PC isn't all that hard, hardest part is putting the power button/LED/reset switch and shit in.
On the PS5 for the SSD you just pop the side off, unscrew 2 things, put the drive in, screw 2 things, pop the side back on.

ultra m.2 pcie gen3 x4

That is my expansion card. Currently there is this ssd

Western Digital 240GB WD Green Internal PC SSD Solid State Drive - SATA III 6 Gb/s, 2.5"/7mm, Up to 550 MB/s - WDS240G2G0A

Western Digital Blue WD10EZEX 1TB SATA Hard Disk

Those are my 2 pc storage. I am afraid of damaging them.

What SSD fits them?

Is Samsung one safe for it?
What ASRock board do you have?
 
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Building a PC isn't all that hard, hardest part is putting the power button/LED/reset switch and shit in.
On the PS5 for the SSD you just pop the side off, unscrew 2 things, put the drive in, screw 2 things, pop the side back on.


What ASRock board do you have?
msi a320 m/ac motherboard
 
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No fake info, again I quoted the article. You said the article was wrong so where is the proof it’s wrong
Nope you claimed as fact something is not even in the article.

Again there is no PCIe 4.0 with 3-3.5GB/s reads speeds.

Bullshit.
 
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msi a320 m/ac motherboard
- 1 x Ultra M.2 Socket, supports M Key type 2242/2260/2280 M.2 SATA3 6.0 Gb/s module and M.2 PCI Express module up to Gen3 x4 (32 Gb/s) (with Matisse, Picasso, Summit Ridge, Raven Ridge and Pinnacle Ridge) or Gen3 x2 (16 Gb/s) (with A-Series APU and Athlon series APU)*
2280 drive will fit fine.
 
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No fake info, again I quoted the article. You said the article was wrong so where is the proof it’s wrong

He's just wondering where you got the average speeds from. Im also curious as well since they are not mentioned in the article.

That’s why we tracked down an ADATA XPG Gammix S50 Lite, one of the slowest compatible PCIe Gen4 drives we could find at 3,900MB/s reads and 3,200MB/s writes, and stuck it into a PS5, along with another drive.

We are comparing a drive thats 3 -3.5 GB/s to the Sony 5.5gbs drive and we not seeing much difference

Just curious what your source for those 3-3.5 GB/s comes from. I certainly didn't see it mentioned in the article.

I'm assuming you got it from somewhere else or you calculated them.

Edit: I actually found some benchmarking of the drive.



 
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So you are expecting people to do their research, watch the video how to do it, buy the exact ssd with a heat sink, and plug in to their system.

If it was that easy, we would have flying cars by now.

Think of the steps I showed you, and tell me, how many people will follow that step. How many people will buy the correct ssd. And how many people, will buy the ssd with a heat sink.

You should know the answer to what we are talking.

If these guys passed these test, then there is no idiot in this world. And everyone is very smart.
Don't forget that the PS5 will be on the market a long time. Within a year or two, most M2's (if not all) on the market will be PS5 compatible anyways.
 

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Don't forget that the PS5 will be on the market a long time. Within a year or two, most M2's (if not all) on the market will be PS5 compatible anyways.
Correct. Even PCIe Gen5 drives are going to be compatible with PS5.
 
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Sony engineers laid out the min specs of the drive to purchase. The Verge is saying something else.

I would follow what the engineers are saying.
 

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Don't forget that the PS5 will be on the market a long time. Within a year or two, most M2's (if not all) on the market will be PS5 compatible anyways.
If that is the case, then my worrisome was for nothing.

Then entire thing is just a new concept. The old consoles never had this type of storage. It was all external storage.
 

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When you install an incompatible (Gen3) drive, you get this message:



...which seems to me like it'll be Gen5 compatible as well.

Yeah Gen 5 doesn't have a new interface or anything like that.

People will have to realize they'll get roughly half the advertised bandwidth though.. so a card advertising 11GB/second for PCIE 5 will just barely be minimum recommended spec for PS5.

edit: To be clear it can be more than half.. each lane only supports half the bandwidth of PCIE 5.0.. but if a 5.0 drive is only pushing 50% more per lane, you'd lose that +50%, which would cut the speed by about 1/3rd.
 
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Look now you're getting desperate comparing the installation of an NVME to developing flying cars.

What next you're going to say you need a PHD in Electrical Engineering to install an NVME?

You're clearing underestimating the capabilities of the majority of console owners. You seem to think almost everyone will have difficulty installing the NVME or choosing one from an approved list of drives. Heck pretty sure some drives are going to be sold in places where the PS5 is being sold and they will have some sort of indication of comparability.

Do you really find it that difficult?
I would say most people who own a PC or ps5 will find the idea of installing an nvme intimating and just not care enough to do it. I don't think it's too difficult for anyone. I just find people under estimate themselves or overestimate the ease of breaking something.
Great, watch one quick tutorial on YouTube and there you go… c’mon.
See above
Building a PC isn't all that hard, hardest part is putting the power button/LED/reset switch and shit in.
100% half the time I don't bother with anything beyond power switch. When I test builds I always just use a paper clip. It's easy but that doesn't mean most people are confident they could do it.
 
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I would say most people who own a PC or ps5 will find the idea of installing an nvme intimating and just not care enough to do it. I don't think it's too difficult for anyone. I just find people under estimate themselves or overestimate the ease of breaking something.

It doesn't look that scary from the videos that I've seen. I've seen people do a lot more complicated things when repairing these systems. Installing an NVME is nowhere near as scary as that.
 

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Yeah Gen 5 doesn't have a new interface or anything like that.

People will have to realize they'll get roughly half the advertised bandwidth though.. so a card advertising 11GB/second for PCIE 5 will just barely be minimum recommended spec for PS5.
Is that how it works on PCs? Never tried a Gen4 drive on a Gen3 motherboard.
 
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Is that how it works on PCs? Never tried a Gen4 drive on a Gen3 motherboard.
Yeah it's how PCIe was designed from the start to generally be always both backwards and forwards compatabile.

You can have 1-32 lanes, and the lanes differ in speed for the different versions.

Devices and slots then communicate how many lanes are available and operate w/ that number, limited by the speed of either the device or the interface/slot, whichever is lowest.

Things are always supposed to "work", but you will obviously not get the perf you'd expect whether talking an nVME drive or a GPU if you put a higher spec'd device in a lower spec'd slot.

It won't always be half I guess.. since theoretically a PCIE 5.0 drive could use 4 lanes, at say 50% higher per lane than PCIE 4.0 supports.. and instead of being cut in half, you'd just lose that 50% perf... so I wasn't entirely accurate there.
 
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It doesn't look that scary from the videos that I've seen. I've seen people do a lot more complicated things when repairing these systems. Installing an NVME is nowhere near as scary as that.
That is correct. It's not scary or complicated. Neither is building a PC, riding a motorcycle, mountain biking down a big rooty Hill, fixing a car, making delicious meals, baking, building a new kitchen, plumbing, Small engine repair, and many many many other things. These are all easy things that aren't scary or complicated, but most people think they lack the ability to do them.
And before anyone says different, lots of the things I listed are no more complicated than installing an nvme in a ps5.
 
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That is correct. It's not scary or complicated. Neither is building a PC, riding a motorcycle, mountain biking down a big rooty Hill, fixing a car, making delicious meals, baking, building a new kitchen, plumbing, Small engine repair, and many many many other things. These are all easy things that aren't scary or complicated, but most people think they lack the ability to do them.
And before anyone says different, lots of the things I listed are no more complicated than installing an nvme in a ps5.

A lot of those seem more complicated than just plugging in an NVME. I mean fixing a car can be as simple as inflating the tires or as complicated as building an engine.

I think your vastly overestimating the difficulty of replacing the drive just to make a negative point about it.
 
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Yeah it's how PCIe was designed from the start to generally be always both backwards and forwards compatabile.

You can have 1-32 lanes, and the lanes differ in speed for the different versions.

Devices and slots then communicate how many lanes are available and operate w/ that number, limited by the speed of either the device or the interface/slot, whichever is lowest.

Things are always supposed to "work", but you will obviously not get the perf you'd expect whether talking an nVME drive or a GPU if you put a higher spec'd device in a lower spec'd slot.
You're confusing the interface with the disk. Plugging a 4.0 disk into a 3.0 slot doesn't make the disk itself run at half speed. It simply becomes limited by the older slot's throughput which is ~3.5GB/s on 3.0 and ~7GB/s on 4.0.
 
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A lot of those seem more complicated than just plugging in an NVME. I mean fixing a car can be as simple as inflating the tires or as complicated as building an engine.

I think your vastly overestimating the difficulty of replacing the drive just to make a negative point about it.
That's your issue. I'm not trying to make it negative. I don't care about it in the slightest. I just know people well enough to know most will not install an nvme.
You keep going to extremes as well. Most people don't change their own oil. In 99% of cars it's literally less steps then the nvme.
 
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That's your issue. I'm not trying to make it negative. I don't care about it in the slightest. I just know people well enough to know most will not install an nvme.
You keep going to extremes as well. Most people don't change their own oil. In 99% of cars it's literally less steps then the nvme.

Well you are when you compare it to tasks that are a lot more complicated then plugging in an NVME. I'm definitely not trying to oversimply the process. I've posted many videos showing how it's done.

I don't think you can say it's anywhere near as complicated as this.

 
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