The Left in the UK, Labour anti semitism and me

[darkangel-212559]

As many of you know within the UK anti semitism is a very real and growing problem, the cult of Corbyn and his Labour leadership has not helped, and using the mask of Anti Zionism to hide anti semitism is something that the left have become very good at.

There is a big growing fear within my (The Jewish) community that if Corbyn becomes PM things will only get worse for us. This feeling is felt by the majority of Jewish community, bar some self deluded Jewish self haters who still defend Corbyn and preach to anyone who will listen that anti semitism does not exist within Labour. These Jews often hate Israel too so go figure.

Recently I have seen a worrying trend on Facebook of Pro Corbyn non Jews using these Jewish Pro Labour idiots as the final word on the problem, using it as 'proof' that it's all one giant conspiracy, and/or media bias.

Only a few weeks ago the Jewish Chronicle wrote a front page article, for its first time ever, aimed at non Jews, trying to get people to see how very real this fear and problem of anti semitism is. See here: https://www.thejc.com/comment/leaders/to-all-our-fellow-british-citizens-1.491812

We all can count many examples of evidence of Labour anti semitism and Corbyns own disgusting track record, but even when he refuses to apologise for anti semitism in his own party of which he was asked if he would apologise four times in the latest BBC interview, or many of the other times Labour and/or Corbyn have shown anti semitism, the left, who are meant to be the bastion of equality and human rights, simply refuse to acknowledge any of this.

I am convinced that if this was happening with Islamaphobia then the Left would certainly care and Corbyn definitely wouldn't still be the leader by now.

And yet, fuck the Jews? Anti semitism can't be real because fuck Israel? What is going on here? Why do people don't give a damn about Jewish fears and Jewish hatred? Why are the pro Labour left obsessed with trying to prove anti semitism doesn't exist within Labour?

It's gotten to a point where many of us will leave the UK and go to Israel if Corbyn becomes PM, myself included.

Just wtf is going on?

 

[Kenpachii]

As many of you know within the UK anti semitism is a very real and growing problem, the cult of Corbyn and his Labour leadership has not helped, and using the mask of Anti Zionism to hide anti semitism is something that the left have become very good at.

There is a big growing fear within my (The Jewish) community that if Corbyn becomes PM things will only get worse for us. This feeling is felt by the majority of Jewish community, bar some self deluded Jewish self haters who still defend Corbyn and preach to anyone who will listen that anti semitism does not exist within Labour. These Jews often hate Israel too so go figure.

Recently I have seen a worrying trend on Facebook of Pro Corbyn non Jews using these Jewish Pro Labour idiots as the final word on the problem, using it as 'proof' that it's all one giant conspiracy, and/or media bias.

Only a few weeks ago the Jewish Chronicle wrote a front page article, for its first time ever, aimed at non Jews, trying to get people to see how very real this fear and problem of anti semitism is. See here: https://www.thejc.com/comment/leaders/to-all-our-fellow-british-citizens-1.491812

We all can count many examples of evidence of Labour anti semitism and Corbyns own disgusting track record, but even when he refuses to apologise for anti semitism in his own party of which he was asked if he would apologise four times in the latest BBC interview, or many of the other times Labour and/or Corbyn have shown anti semitism, the left, who are meant to be the bastion of equality and human rights, simply refuse to acknowledge any of this.

I am convinced that if this was happening with Islamaphobia then the Left would certainly care and Corbyn definitely wouldn't still be the leader by now.

And yet, fuck the Jews? Anti semitism can't be real because fuck Israel? What is going on here? Why do people don't give a damn about Jewish fears and Jewish hatred? Why are the pro Labour left obsessed with trying to prove anti semitism doesn't exist within Labour?

It's gotten to a point where many of us will leave the UK and go to Israel if Corbyn becomes PM, myself included.

Just wtf is going on?

Because politicians only gives two shits about votes and nothing else.

This is the problem:

U simple have no voting power they could care about. The only populations they care about is christians and muslims and the reason for muslims is they are rapidly growing and adding towards the population through immigration which = new votes.

 

[funkygunther]

The Labour party obviously need to be a lot better at suspending and banning any members that display anti-Jewish prejudice. I'm curious what you think Corbyn's own disgusting behaviour on this issue is though?

 

[cryptoadam]

And when has it ever not been Fuck the Jews? Sure there have been lulls here and there of antisemtism, but in reality those are just grace periods between the hatred. Jews will always been seen with suspicion and as outsiders. If they try to integrate then they are interlopers controlling the government/finance/media. If they stay seperate then they are double agents, loyal to Israel, foreigners etc... You can't win.

And Israel/Anti-Zionism gives antisemites nice cover to be anti semetic. Israel does some shitty things and not everything it does is right (I am a proud zionist but I can admit that Israel isn't 100% always an angel) but Jew haters love to hide behind hating Israel. And bottom line is the vast majority of Jews support Israel to some degree and understand the importance of a homeland for the Jewish people so attacks on Israel is an attack on Jews. Its pretty hard to hate Israel and not hate Jews at the same time.

UK/France/Germany are close to being long gone as a home of Jews. I would suggest to leave because even if Corbyn isn't elected things aren't going to get better. The next generation which is further left (and more muslim) is not going to be any nicer to Jews while using Israel as an excuse.

Good luck to the Jewish community in the UK.

 

[sunnysideup]

No offens.. but why would anyone give a fuck about anti-Semitism in the uk. Or any other european nation for that matter.


Just looking at my own country. Sweden. I am sorry. I dont give a fuck about violence against jews. They shoot people every day. People get blown up left and right.

 

[Turnt]

A few days ago the Conservatives celebrated the unveiling of a statue of a woman who said "Hitler might be the solution to the world problem of Jews"

Both parties are shit and this upcoming election has a depressing lack of decent choices.

 

[cryptoadam]

No offens.. but why would anyone give a fuck about anti-Semitism in the uk. Or any other european nation for that matter.


Just looking at my own country. Sweden. I am sorry. I dont give a fuck about violence against jews. They shoot people every day. People get blown up left and right.

Because European antisemtism lead to the holocaust and murder of 6 million Jews.

And I don't get what you are saying. Jews in Sweden are shooting people every day ? Or are you saying Israel does this so Jews in Europe should be hated on?

 

[sunnysideup]

I am just saying. I dont care. People get slaughtered every fucking day.

 

[darkangel-212559]

I am just saying. I dont care. People get slaughtered every fucking day.

Then why bother even posting in this thread if you don't care? What a waste of time.

 

[sunnysideup]

Why not get some perspective?

 

[darkangel-212559]

Why not get some perspective?

Terrible things happening to other people all around the world doesn't magically mean other injustices happening against other groups of people becomes irrelevant?!!!?!

 

[LegendOfKage]

It's gotten to a point where many of us will leave the UK and go to Israel if Corbyn becomes PM, myself included.

Just wondering, but why Israel over the US or somewhere else? Can Israel really support a large number of new Jewish citizens, if a lot of people do end up leaving the UK?

 

[sunnysideup]

Are jews being shot in the streets of yurop?

 

[funkygunther]

Just wondering, but why Israel over the US or somewhere else? Can Israel really support a large number of new Jewish citizens, if a lot of people do end up leaving the UK?

US has pesky migration laws and such

 

[sunnysideup]

Uk has alot of issues. Is anti semitsm really a big issue?

 

[funkygunther]

Uk has alot of issues. Is anti semitsm really a big issue?

Only if Labour become government apparently

 

[Jonirenicus]

I'm not trying to come off as a Nazi or anything here but maybe if every country in the world agrees they want the Jews to leave it's time for some introspection.

 

[darkangel-212559]

I'm not trying to come off as a Nazi or anything here but maybe if every country in the world agrees they want the Jews to leave it's time for some introspection.

Introspection on why non Jews have such irrational hatred for Jews? Which then leads to people treating the Jewish people better and apologising? Yes, your right.

Introspection on whether the Jews deserve it and the whole world must be right as they all hate the Jews? Then yeah, you do come off as a fucking Nazi.

 

[DKehoe]

I'm not trying to come off as a Nazi or anything here but maybe if every country in the world agrees they want the Jews to leave it's time for some introspection.

What the fuck are you talking about.

 

[Tesseract]

I'm not trying to come off as a Nazi or anything here but maybe if every country in the world agrees they want the Jews to leave it's time for some introspection.

he was wrong, of course

fear of the other will always lay dormant in our programming

don't fall into this hole, you'll lose your soul

'cleanliness is next to godliness, and godliness is next to psychosis'

 

[Jezbollah]

Uk has alot of issues. Is anti semitsm really a big issue?

Anti semitism is racism.

Do you think racism is a big issue?

 

[Jonirenicus]

Anti semitism is racism.

Do you think racism is a big issue?

Not as big an issue as the left wants to make it out to be, no

 

[darkangel-212559]

Not as big an issue as the left wants to make it out to be, no

Then your woefully ignorant.

 

[funkygunther]

Not as big an issue as the left wants to make it out to be, no

So you’re here saying the left make it an issue and there’s OP saying the left is the issue. What a fucking mess lol...maybe this topic should just be renamed “I don’t like the left” and leave the reasons why to other people

 

[darkangel-212559]

So you’re here saying the left make it an issue and there’s OP saying the left is the issue. What a tucking mess lol

Yup! It's all so messed up atm.

 

[Jezbollah]

Not as big an issue as the left wants to make it out to be, no

You don't know what we're talking about, do you?

 

[pachura]

 

[Ar¢tos]

I never understood why some people care so much about the religion of others, unless they are secretly jealous (they can always convert) or the issue is not about religion at all, but they use religion to cover the real reason (like what happened during WW2).

 

[Boss Mog]

I'm sure his "friends from Hezbollah" agree with you.

 

[Mahadev]

The Lobby part 1

The Lobby part 2

The Lobby part 3

Watch this eye opening documentary to understand how Israel smears politicians that oppose the illegal occupation of Palestine, the ethnic cleansing they commit there and their crimes against humanity. They are clearly manipulating the political system in the UK and spread propaganda and no one has the balls to do anything about it. And this without even mentioning other far more insidious methods they use *cough* Epstein *cough*

Btw Bernie agrees with Corbyn on pretty much everything regarding Israel but they can't smear him because he's Jewish.

 

[darkangel-212559]

/QUOTE]

Dude, one for you above. Have fun replying to the idiot poster.

 

[Kenpachii]

I never understood why some people care so much about the religion of others, unless they are secretly jealous (they can always convert) or the issue is not about religion at all, but they use religion to cover the real reason (like what happened during WW2).

Because religions are different cultures and different cultures clash.

 

[autoduelist]

This thread is a shitshow. Come to America. Socialists always seem to like to dabble in anti-semetism, and despite the worlds seeming love affair with socialism, as Trump said, America will never be a socialist country.

 

[azz0r]

I can't wait for a socialist government. Labour hayday is going to return. Glorious!

 

[Yoshi]

I'm not trying to come off as a Nazi or anything here but maybe if every country in the world agrees they want the Jews to leave it's time for some introspection.

What the fuck?

 

[MilkyJoe]

I'm not trying to come off as a Nazi or anything here but maybe if every country in the world agrees they want the Jews to leave it's time for some introspection.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[funkygunther]

I can't wait for a socialist government. Labour hayday is going to return. Glorious!

No thanks. I grew up in a socialist republic, and I'm grateful that Britain, even under Corbyn government, is completely incapable of delivering one.

 

[autoduelist]

'F*** the Jews, Kill the Jews' – Senior Rabbi Beaten in Khan's London

A senior rabbi was left bleeding on the ground after two teens brutally beat him while shouting "f*** the Jews" and "kill the Jews".

www.breitbart.com

The identities of the apparently antisemitic teens remain unknown at the time of writing of this report.

Unknown, huh?

 

[funkygunther]

Unknown, huh?

What are you insinuating?

 

[autoduelist]

What are you insinuating?

London is the most surveilled non-Chinese city in the world.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

London very likely uses real time facial recognition. If not, they use it after the fact.

Police Use of Facial Recognition Is Accepted by British Court (Published 2019)

In a closely watched case, a judge ruled that live facial recognition does not violate privacy rights. There has been little legal precedent about its use.

www.nytimes.com

The attack happened Friday night. This article was written monday. Plenty of time to review surveillance for such a crime.

The article states that the identities are unknown, not that they haven't been reported to journalists.

So. With this in the barrel, let's play both angles:

1] identity is actually known. It is not being reported for some reason.
2] identity is not known.

In the first case, my response is perfectly valid. "Unknown, huh?". Yes, it is very unlikely the identity of the attackers is unknown. It is more likely it is not being reported. Especially in the case that the identities were unknown.

In the second case, we first must ask 'why not'? And then we must ask, why wouldn't the police be pushing full descriptions of the assailants alongside surveillance still shots and footage? So once again, we can say 'unknown, huh?'.

Here's some articles from a wide range of sources.

Antisemitic incidents in UK at all-time high

Charity logs 1,382 hate incidents and 34% rise in violent assaults against Jewish people in 2017

www.theguardian.com

Anti-Semitic incidents in Britain at all-time high for 2nd straight year

Watchdog records 1,382 cases, including 145 violent assaults; attacks on Jews in Manchester up 25%, but decrease seen in London

www.timesofisrael.com

In 420 cases recorded last year, witnesses gave descriptions of the alleged perpetrators. In those cases, 57 percent were described as Europeans and 25 percent as Arab or black.

Note: 'European' can mean pretty much anything. Also note that leaves only 18% for Bristish white, asian, etc.

Quick aside, lets check stats:

Demography of London - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Black or Black British: 13.32%
Arab: 1.30%

Yikes, so we already know black and arab are wayyyyyy over represented in antisemetic hate crimes in London.... and that's even assuming all those people listed as 'European' are not Muslim, which clearly isn't true. So, safe to say they are wildly overpresented in hate crimes.

Don’t Blame the Surge of European Anti-Semitism on the Populists | National Review

Downplaying the role of Muslim immigrants distorts the truth.

www.nationalreview.com

So, deduction time. If this was far right hooligans attacking a Jewish Rabbi, why aren't they easily identified? Why wouldn't the press be having a field day?

Or, if these are in fact not far right hooligans, why might this be suppressed in today's media? Or, why might facial recognition not identify them?

No matter how we come at it, we can wonder why these assailants are unidentified. Is it possible the police are protecting nazi youth? Sure. Is it likely? No. Is it more likely the police or press might protect Muslim [cough, I mean Asian] assailants? You tell me.

So sure. I stand by 'unknown, huh?' And everything and anything you can infer from that. I find it highly unlikely they aren't identified. And I can't think of too many reasons why, in the off chance it's true they aren't identified, the police wouldn't be releasing footage/stills. And I don't trust your press to accurately cover minority assailants, whereas I do think they'd be quick to jump on a far right hate crime.

Is it possible I'm wrong? Of course. That's why I only espouse scepticism at the idea they are 'unknown', especially when we are seeing this same trend in antisemetic hate crimes rising in other western metropolitan cities at the hands of other minorities [see the Brooklyn brick attacks, etc.].

But no, we musn't speak it out loud. No, we must swallow our words and keep our thought crimes to ourselves, because if we actually analyze this stuff we're the bigots, because why hate the assailant when you can hate the messenger?

 

[Ovek]

Note: 'European' can mean pretty much anything.

Polish then.

 

[autoduelist]

Polish then.

 

[psorcerer]

The Lobby part 1

The Lobby part 2

The Lobby part 3

Watch this eye opening documentary to understand how Israel smears politicians that oppose the illegal occupation of Palestine, the ethnic cleansing they commit there and their crimes against humanity. They are clearly manipulating the political system in the UK and spread propaganda and no one has the balls to do anything about it. And this without even mentioning other far more insidious methods they use *cough* Epstein *cough*

Btw Bernie agrees with Corbyn on pretty much everything regarding Israel but they can't smear him because he's Jewish.

I'm not sure. Ethnic cleansing of who?

 

[darkangel-212559]

He's one of those idiots who think Israel commit war crimes against the Palestinians, when in actual fact the Israeli army are one of the most ethical armies in the world. There is so much bullshit and lies in what he posted I don't even know where to start tbh.

 

[Rentahamster]

So you’re here saying the left make it an issue and there’s OP saying the left is the issue. What a fucking mess lol...maybe this topic should just be renamed “I don’t like the left” and leave the reasons why to other people

Cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug.

 

[funkygunther]

London is the most surveilled non-Chinese city in the world.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

London very likely uses real time facial recognition. If not, they use it after the fact.

Police Use of Facial Recognition Is Accepted by British Court (Published 2019)

In a closely watched case, a judge ruled that live facial recognition does not violate privacy rights. There has been little legal precedent about its use.

www.nytimes.com

The attack happened Friday night. This article was written monday. Plenty of time to review surveillance for such a crime.

The article states that the identities are unknown, not that they haven't been reported to journalists.

So. With this in the barrel, let's play both angles:

1] identity is actually known. It is not being reported for some reason.
2] identity is not known.

In the first case, my response is perfectly valid. "Unknown, huh?". Yes, it is very unlikely the identity of the attackers is unknown. It is more likely it is not being reported. Especially in the case that the identities were unknown.

In the second case, we first must ask 'why not'? And then we must ask, why wouldn't the police be pushing full descriptions of the assailants alongside surveillance still shots and footage? So once again, we can say 'unknown, huh?'.

Here's some articles from a wide range of sources.

Antisemitic incidents in UK at all-time high

Charity logs 1,382 hate incidents and 34% rise in violent assaults against Jewish people in 2017

www.theguardian.com

Anti-Semitic incidents in Britain at all-time high for 2nd straight year

Watchdog records 1,382 cases, including 145 violent assaults; attacks on Jews in Manchester up 25%, but decrease seen in London

www.timesofisrael.com

Note: 'European' can mean pretty much anything. Also note that leaves only 18% for Bristish white, asian, etc.

Quick aside, lets check stats:

Demography of London - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Black or Black British: 13.32%
Arab: 1.30%

Yikes, so we already know black and arab are wayyyyyy over represented in antisemetic hate crimes in London.... and that's even assuming all those people listed as 'European' are not Muslim, which clearly isn't true. So, safe to say they are wildly overpresented in hate crimes.

Don’t Blame the Surge of European Anti-Semitism on the Populists | National Review

Downplaying the role of Muslim immigrants distorts the truth.

www.nationalreview.com

So, deduction time. If this was far right hooligans attacking a Jewish Rabbi, why aren't they easily identified? Why wouldn't the press be having a field day?

Or, if these are in fact not far right hooligans, why might this be suppressed in today's media? Or, why might facial recognition not identify them?

No matter how we come at it, we can wonder why these assailants are unidentified. Is it possible the police are protecting nazi youth? Sure. Is it likely? No. Is it more likely the police or press might protect Muslim [cough, I mean Asian] assailants? You tell me.

So sure. I stand by 'unknown, huh?' And everything and anything you can infer from that. I find it highly unlikely they aren't identified. And I can't think of too many reasons why, in the off chance it's true they aren't identified, the police wouldn't be releasing footage/stills. And I don't trust your press to accurately cover minority assailants, whereas I do think they'd be quick to jump on a far right hate crime.

Is it possible I'm wrong? Of course. That's why I only espouse scepticism at the idea they are 'unknown', especially when we are seeing this same trend in antisemetic hate crimes rising in other western metropolitan cities at the hands of other minorities [see the Brooklyn brick attacks, etc.].

But no, we musn't speak it out loud. No, we must swallow our words and keep our thought crimes to ourselves, because if we actually analyze this stuff we're the bigots, because why hate the assailant when you can hate the messenger?

CCTV footage has been released:

Police release CCTV of suspects who left a rabbi 'bleeding and dazed'

Police have released images of two men in connection to the anti-Semitic assault at Clapton Common, Stamford Hill, last Friday night. A 54-year-old rabbi was struck down and left 'bleeding'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In terms of your "more likely the police or press might protect Muslim [cough, I mean Asian] assailants?", since that seems to be the crux of the matter I can tell you that they're Black, and therefore (at least according the last Census (which may be out-of-date because the next one's due, or you may just not trust it) they're more likely to be Christian:

 

[autoduelist]

CCTV footage has been released:

Police release CCTV of suspects who left a rabbi 'bleeding and dazed'

Police have released images of two men in connection to the anti-Semitic assault at Clapton Common, Stamford Hill, last Friday night. A 54-year-old rabbi was struck down and left 'bleeding'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In terms of your "more likely the police or press might protect Muslim [cough, I mean Asian] assailants?", since that seems to be the crux of the matter I can tell you that they're Black, and therefore (at least according the last Census (which may be out-of-date because the next one's due, or you may just not trust it) they're more likely to be Christian:

So... exactly my point?

 

[cryptoadam]

So... exactly my point?

If they were white and most likely "right wing" their names/footage/description would of been released on day 1.

And pull up your goddamn pants. Don't they realize that the low hanging pants thing was started in prisons to identify the dudes who take it up the butt?

 

[autoduelist]

If they were white and most likely "right wing" their names/footage/description would of been released on day 1.

Absolutely. Which is why "unknown" was an obvious pile of garbage. They certainly had a description instantly. And if they were on file, face recognition had their names instantly too. And if they weren't on file, we get into really murky territory. 'Unknown', my ass.

 

[funkygunther]

Absolutely. Which is why "unknown" was an obvious pile of garbage. They certainly had a description instantly. And if they were on file, face recognition had their names instantly too. And if they weren't on file, we get into really murky territory. 'Unknown', my ass.

well they did have a description instantly, here's an article from the day:

Rabbi assaulted in London by men who shouted 'kill the Jews'

A rabbi was badly beaten by two men who shouted "kill the Jews" in an anti-semitic attack.

www.standard.co.uk