• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
  • Hey Guest. Check out the NeoGAF 2.2 Update Thread for details on our new Giphy integration and other new features.

News The key optimisations for your next-gen Sea of Thieves experience Xbox Series X | Xbox Series S

Jose92

Member
Aug 24, 2013
420
2,594
885
swansea

I am disappointed with the series s it seems like that the ram size and bandwidth are the bottlenecks.

There is 2.25 times the amount of pixels found in 1440p in respect to 4k and 4 times the amount for 1080p in respect to 4k. The series s is 3 times weaker than the Series X so theoretically it should be able to run the same games a bit higher than 1080p but a little lower than 1440p.
 
Last edited:

poodaddy

Member
May 2, 2015
4,758
861
690
Washington
This game looks ridiculous on PC at high frame rates, so it's nice to see that Series X will be supported in that manner. That being said....I just wish I knew how to play this goddamn thing. Like, I feel like I should love it, I feel like it's a well made game, but I just feel like I don't get it. Regardless, I'll try to jump in again on that Series X I guess.
 

Kssio_Aug

Member
Sep 14, 2013
9,676
303
645
This game looks ridiculous on PC at high frame rates, so it's nice to see that Series X will be supported in that manner. That being said....I just wish I knew how to play this goddamn thing. Like, I feel like I should love it, I feel like it's a well made game, but I just feel like I don't get it. Regardless, I'll try to jump in again on that Series X I guess.
Yeah, the game is really pretty, but when I tried to play I stayed hours there literally looking for what to do. Didn't manage to do anything tbh.
 

RevenantX

I cry about consoles and war. I am on a perm warning.
Mar 15, 2018
1,694
2,092
655

I am disappointed with the series s it seems like that the ram size and bandwidth are the bottlenecks.

There is 2.25 times the amount of pixels found in 1440p in respect to 4k and 4 times the amount for 1080p in respect to 4k. The series s is 3 times weaker than the Series X so theoretically it should be able to run the same games a bit higher than 1080p but a little lower than 1440p.


If you disappointed then don't buy it.


MS said its 1080p-1440p machine with frame rate upto 60 and 120fps. Not guaranteed 1440p60fps in every game machine.

Is seriesX giving you 4k60 in every game? No. So Series S will not give 1440p60 in every game.
 

poodaddy

Member
May 2, 2015
4,758
861
690
Washington
Yeah, the game is really pretty, but when I tried to play I stayed hours there literally looking for what to do. Didn't manage to do anything tbh.
Same. I feel like they were trying so hard to "not hold hands" that it seemed like there was no clear indicator as to what the fuck my goal should really be lol. I just kind of sailed around for a bit and checked out islands that seemed cool, but there was nothing really there other than some random skeletons and shit.
 

Jose92

Member
Aug 24, 2013
420
2,594
885
swansea
If you disappointed then don't buy it.


MS said its 1080p-1440p machine with frame rate upto 60 and 120fps. Not guaranteed 1440p60fps in every game machine.

Is seriesX giving you 4k60 in every game? No. So Series S will not give 1440p60 in every game.
Already paid for it, too late now. but it will be a gamepass machine so all is well.

 

poodaddy

Member
May 2, 2015
4,758
861
690
Washington
Big as an ocean deep as a puddle, especially alone. With friends it's the same but more fun, but then again what game isn't fun with a bunch of friends?
I feel like I'll never really get the full experience of this game because I don't play multiplayer games so I don't have a group of friends to play with. Feel like that's kind of necessary with this one :/
 
  • Like
Reactions: Werewolfgrandma

Jose92

Member
Aug 24, 2013
420
2,594
885
swansea
What is it on the Xbox One X?


We'll take a closer look at the technical make-up of Sea of Thieves a little later on, but let's get the rendering basics out of the way first. After lacking support throughout the entire beta run, Xbox One X functionality is baked into the final code, delivering a full 4K pixel count. Interestingly, the standard Xbox delivers 900p in its final form - a mere 17.4 per cent of the X's rendering throughput, delivering a blurrier output than the pristine presentation of the enhanced console. It's not an unattractive game on the standard Xbox by any means, but X is the place to be for the best experience.

looks like to be 4k30
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: jaysius

Gormond

Neo Member
Oct 27, 2020
25
35
150
This is slightly worrying, in a game that can achieve 4k/60 on the X can only manage 1080/60 on the S?
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
Jan 26, 2016
10,102
13,992
865
THis game looks nuts at 60 FPS with the water physics and such. Welcome upgrade.
 

M1chl

Member
Dec 25, 2019
7,966
13,428
835
Prague, Czech Republic
Wait X1X is running this in 4K30....I mean wonder what resolution would it do with 60FPS...like just an engine without logic, because that piece of shit Jaguar probably could not run it at 60FPS...
 

FunkMiller

Member
Aug 14, 2014
5,243
19,025
835
Why were people's expectations so high for the Series S? I thought it was always gonna be a 1080p/1440p machine. I literally had no expectations otherwise so I'm confused by people saying they are disappointed.

Because they literally advertised it as a 1440 machine:


 
  • Triggered
Reactions: BigLee74

Krappadizzle

Member
Oct 4, 2011
14,666
5,296
1,205
Because they literally advertised it as a 1440 machine:


Literally could say the same thing about ANY of the next-gen consoles, doesn't mean EVERY game will be that. The PS4 was touted at a 1080p/60fps machine too before it's release. Didn't work out that way. Even still, I literally wrote 1080p/1440p machine, so I'm unsure what point you are driving at by quoting me.

It's like this is some of ya'lls first time being part of a new-generation machine. It's always been like this. Always, since n64/PS1 days. Even been the same type of thing in the PC space. Some of ya'll need to get a grip on reality and set your expectations to what the hardware inside is actually capable of. Not what it's potentially capable of.
 
Last edited:

FunkMiller

Member
Aug 14, 2014
5,243
19,025
835
Literally could say the same thing about ANY of the next-gen consoles, doesn't mean EVERY game will be that. The PS4 was touted at a 1080p/60fps machine too before it's release. Didn't work out that way. Even still, I literally wrote 1080p/1440p machine, so I'm unsure what point you are driving at by quoting me.

It's like this is some of ya'lls first time being part of a new-generation machine. It's always been like this. Always, since n64/PS1 days. Even been the same type of thing in the PC space. Some of ya'll need to get a grip on reality and set your expectations to what the hardware inside is actually capable of. Not what it's potentially capable of.

No. I’ll be critical of false advertising with Msft the same way I would be with Sony. If your console can’t handle everything at 1440, then don’t advertise it as such when people are taking decisions on whether to pre order or not.

It’s lying. It’s a 1080p console. And then with next gen games that appears to be dynamic.
 
Last edited:
  • LOL
Reactions: Riky

Krappadizzle

Member
Oct 4, 2011
14,666
5,296
1,205
No. I’ll be critical of false advertising with Msft the same way I would be with Sony. If your console can’t handle everything at 1440, then don’t advertise it as such when people are taking decisions on whether to pre order or not.
You are in for a bad generation of gaming if that's your mindset. Have fun with that.

You remind me of the people that would by a mid-tier graphics card, PUMP EVERY setting to max and then be mad when you get terrible performance. Completely disregarding the actual hardware, and the tendency of just about EVERY company falsely promoting bullshit numbers that they can skate by on technicalities.
 
Last edited:

01011001

Member
Dec 4, 2018
4,422
6,921
510
I honestly think that developers will often optimise for 1080p.
I said from the start, when the Series S was stilk just leaked and not announced, a 1440p system is pretty useless... almost noone who buys this will use it on a 1440p screen. 1080p is the more sensical target.

the game will most likely also run at max PC settings which is also a step up from current gen.
 

01011001

Member
Dec 4, 2018
4,422
6,921
510
No. I’ll be critical of false advertising with Msft the same way I would be with Sony. If your console can’t handle everything at 1440, then don’t advertise it as such when people are taking decisions on whether to pre order or not.

It’s lying. It’s a 1080p console. And then with next gen games that appears to be dynamic.

So I will look out and expect to see a critical comment from you in every PS5 thread about a game that doesn't reach 4k... ok? good!
see you there!
 

Hix

Banned
Jul 24, 2011
4,071
7,109
1,030
Belfast, NI
4k/60fps is fantastic, the game already looks and feels amazing

No. I’ll be critical of false advertising with Msft the same way I would be with Sony. If your console can’t handle everything at 1440, then don’t advertise it as such when people are taking decisions on whether to pre order or not.

Haven't seen your critical posts about the PS5 advertising 8k on the box. Or how about Jim "I believe in generations" Ryan? Haven't seen you mention games running at sub-720p on the "720p handheld" Switch Lite. Seems your "concern" manifests itself only for Xbox, I wonder why?
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Mar 31, 2011
5,169
2,139
990
No. I’ll be critical of false advertising with Msft the same way I would be with Sony. If your console can’t handle everything at 1440, then don’t advertise it as such when people are taking decisions on whether to pre order or not.

It’s lying. It’s a 1080p console. And then with next gen games that appears to be dynamic.

You should also be bitching about the game not having Direct X Raytracing?
Because the add also says the console will have Direct X Raytracing right?

Think critically....if these are the complaints you have maybe you need more things to worry about.
 

FunkMiller

Member
Aug 14, 2014
5,243
19,025
835
You should also be bitching about the game not having Direct X Raytracing?
Because the add also says the console will have Direct X Raytracing right?

Think critically....if these are the complaints you have maybe you need more things to worry about.

I guess so, yes?

I’m not that bothered. I’m not buying one. I just don’t like a product being marketed as firmly one thing when it so obviously is another 🤷🏻

...that goes for everything.
 

Thirty7ven

Member
Apr 13, 2020
2,934
12,238
550
Series S is clearly a compromised design to reach 299$ without sending stockholders into overdrive.

it better sell as well as MS hopes it will because it will drag itself throughout the years.
 
Last edited:

NullZ3r0

Member
Jun 8, 2017
1,234
2,961
485

I am disappointed with the series s it seems like that the ram size and bandwidth are the bottlenecks.

There is 2.25 times the amount of pixels found in 1440p in respect to 4k and 4 times the amount for 1080p in respect to 4k. The series s is 3 times weaker than the Series X so theoretically it should be able to run the same games a bit higher than 1080p but a little lower than 1440p.
Stop the concern trolling. From the moment it was rumored we expected the Series S to be a 1080p machine. If you're disappointed in it, then it's not targeted for you.

Why don't you clowns get this?
 
Last edited:

Krappadizzle

Member
Oct 4, 2011
14,666
5,296
1,205
I guess so, yes?

I’m not that bothered. I’m not buying one. I just don’t like a product being marketed as firmly one thing when it so obviously is another 🤷🏻

...that goes for everything.
Nobody like's being lied to, but this is video-game hardware business. They will squeak by on technicalities. Again, it's been like this forever, so unless this is your first time participating in a generational upgrade, you've just been keeping your head in the sand and ignoring ALL the bullshit marketed from the SNES era and up.

Nvidia's last keynote is prime example with them adverstising certain benchmarks and scenarios were it could be fudged that they techincally double previous performance, or can technically play games at 4k Max(as long as DLSS is on) but in practical ACTUAL application it never pans out that way.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Kssio_Aug
Apr 6, 2015
1,296
993
480
So they have removed that option from the Series S?
Removed what option? 4K/30? Xbox One X and the Series S are two different levels of machines. The One X has 50% more GPU power. Even with the architecture advantages the S is at a disadvantage in ways.

Me throwing a 10900K and a Gen 4 SSD into my 3600/RX580 machine doesn’t give me the ability to punch above my GPUs weight.
 
Last edited:

Jose92

Member
Aug 24, 2013
420
2,594
885
swansea
Stop the concern trolling. From the moment it was rumored we expected the Series S to be a 1080p machine. If you're disappointed in it, then it's not targeted for you.

Why don't you clowns get this?
I pre ordered and paid for one directly from microsoft, why am i being accused of trolling now ?

Yes i admit it will not be my main gaming machine but I paid my hard earned money for it, and if microsoft who advertised it as a 1440p machine can't get its' own first party to achieve such a target when it is running 4k60 on its bigger brother. Cant i be disappointed?

And the attitude is not needed.
 
  • Empathy
Reactions: cireza

Krappadizzle

Member
Oct 4, 2011
14,666
5,296
1,205
I pre ordered and paid for one directly from microsoft, why am i being accused of trolling now ?

Yes i admit it will not be my main gaming machine but I paid my hard earned money for it, and if microsoft who advertised it as a 1440p machine can't get its' own first party to achieve such a target when it is running 4k60 on its bigger brother. Cant i be disappointed?

And the attitude is not needed.
And you'll get that machine, and I'm sure some, maybe even most games may scale to or actually be 1440p. You plan on playing that machine on your 1440p TV? You won't get every game at the resolution/framerates it's "technically" capable of, not even on Series X or PS5. 360/PS3 were advertised as 720p/1080p machines and we got TONS of titles that barely qualified as HD or well below that, hell even first part titles were putting out less than 720p resolutions. Why all of a sudden advertising standards become a major concern is more strange than the people surprised that the machine can't do more than the hardware actually can do.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Riky
May 8, 2020
3,542
8,743
640
And you'll get that machine, and I'm sure some, maybe even most games may scale or actually be 1440p. But you won't get every game like that. 360/PS3 were advertised as 1080p machines and we got TONS of titles that barely qualified as HD, hell even first part titles were putting out less than 720p resolutions. Why all of a sudden advertising standards become a major concern is more strange than the people surprised that the machine can't do more than the hardware actually can do.

How many games announced for Series S are 1440p native? How many are not?
 

Elginer

Member
Mar 1, 2011
4,471
897
875
Yeah, the game is really pretty, but when I tried to play I stayed hours there literally looking for what to do. Didn't manage to do anything tbh.
I had the same problem. It’s so beautiful and looks fun but I have no damn idea what to do
 

FlyyGOD

Member
Sep 4, 2019
438
864
345
No. I’ll be critical of false advertising with Msft the same way I would be with Sony. If your console can’t handle everything at 1440, then don’t advertise it as such when people are taking decisions on whether to pre order or not.

It’s lying. It’s a 1080p console. And then with next gen games that appears to be dynamic.
Ps4 pro was marketed as a 4k machine so whats your point?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kssio_Aug

NullZ3r0

Member
Jun 8, 2017
1,234
2,961
485
I pre ordered and paid for one directly from microsoft, why am i being accused of trolling now ?

Yes i admit it will not be my main gaming machine but I paid my hard earned money for it, and if microsoft who advertised it as a 1440p machine can't get its' own first party to achieve such a target when it is running 4k60 on its bigger brother. Cant i be disappointed?

And the attitude is not needed.
So, every Series X game must run at 4K? 1440p is the max resolution of the S.
 
Last edited:

Hix

Banned
Jul 24, 2011
4,071
7,109
1,030
Belfast, NI
Last edited:

Krappadizzle

Member
Oct 4, 2011
14,666
5,296
1,205
How many games announced for Series S are 1440p native? How many are not?

You're guess is as good as mine. Hell, probably better. Maybe because I pay attention to the hardware and not the nice, pretty words of MSFT/Sony that I don't care about the advertisements, but if you've been in the PC hardware space for a while, you know exactly what to expect from these consoles, so I'm not surprised when the hardware is doing exactly what the hardware is capable of.
 
Last edited:

Clear

Deer/Dur
Feb 2, 2009
11,746
6,147
1,245
They are all "real" specs because its about what the hardware is capable of. Not what every software developer chooses to actualize!

Some seriously obtuse takes in this thread.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Krappadizzle

Hix

Banned
Jul 24, 2011
4,071
7,109
1,030
Belfast, NI
Doesn't really matter if it's a month out or at launch. Games without?

I mean there's more examples, like Halo MCC, Ori 2 and FH4. Codemasters claimed Dirt 5 would run at 1440p too, but it might be dynamic idk. I just quoted you a few examples off the top of my head.

Similarly, this game, Watch Dogs Legion, Fortnite, Yakuza 7, PUBG and Gears 5 don't hit 1440p

The falconeer runs at 1800 p on Series S.


Forgot about that, though obviously that 1080p/120fps mode is probably irresistible for Series S owners who have a compatible TV
 
Last edited: