This has nothing to do with AMD, and everything to do with the fact that Ampere isn't very good.You AMD guys never learn.
Well I agree, the 10GB 3080 is slightly gimped, would not touch it and wait for 20GB or even 3070 Ti 16GB which was already spotted.
You've dodged a bullet there mate!
We should be asking, how come a 36tflop card that has (according to Nvidia marketing slides) 1.9X performance per watt increase over Turing is in reality only 45% faster than the 13 tflop 2080 Ti whilst drawing 40% more power on top
Yes and also segmentation.Diminishing returns?
Sooooooo the smart money is on a 3080 then?Yes and also segmentation.
In ideal circumstances the 3090 can be at most 20% faster than a 3080, because it has 20% more Vector ALUs (FP32 Cuda Cores), TMUs etc.
In real circumstances it won't because of scaling at high shader counts.
20GB 3080 when they hit the market, yesSooooooo the smart money is on a 3080 then?
Smart money would be to wait.Sooooooo the smart money is on a 3080 then?
20GB 3080 when they hit the market, yes
Sooooooo the smart money is on a 3080 then?
Yeah. A lot of us have already known Nvidias new teraflop metrics are pointless.
Wouldn’t be surprised if series x was just as, or only a little behind the 3070.
I would never pay the price for a 3090 compared to 3080. It's just not worth the money when the 3080 is such a beastCan someone explain this to me? How is it possible that a 36TFL device is only 10% faster then the... Nevermind rtx 3080 has 30...seems right but the price differential is too much for what you get.
Any way anybody wants to spin it : their tf ratings don’t reflect real world performance.Nvidia doesn't have new Teraflop metrics.
Any way anybody wants to spin it : their tf ratings don’t reflect real world performance.
That's what am sayingI would never pay the price for a 3090 compared to 3080. It's just not worth the money when the 3080 is such a beast
Wait, you think AMD actually has a shot at beating the 3080 or even 3090?! Lol, they barely threw blows with the 2070S. There's still the 2080, 2080Ti, and RTX titan (just to throw in there). I'm pretty sure AMD would be shouting from The mountaintops about their new GPU, if it could even compete with Nvidia. Silence speaks more than words.
Even if it does ( Big if ), there's a near zero percent chance it will have raytracing performance anywhere close and no response to DLSS 2.0 in sight.80 CU RDNA2 almost has to be competitive with the 3080 - regardless as to how much AMD is talking about it or not.
AMD actually needs to and wants to make money too. They will not release a 3080 competitor at half the price of the 3080 when they could release it for $50 or $100 less to undercut slightly and optimize their own profits. Anyone who thinks any for-profit corporation prioritizes anything other than profits is fucking retarded.Even if it does ( Big if ), there's a near zero percent chance it will have raytracing performance anywhere close and no response to DLSS 2.0 in sight.
There's a big question on the table of how well more CUs will scale. Double the CUs of the 5700XT is not likely to equal double the performance.
Are you expecting a 3080 competitor from AMD at $499? Nvidia will just adjust their prices accordingly anyway.
I would be very very happy to see AMD compete on the high end again, but I have my doubts.
Amazing reading comprehension skills.Tell me where and how Fidelity FX is better than DLSS 2.0??
Oh please..slightly better than ...native
Yeah, as any upscaling (whatever we call it) does.also can introduce artifacts and grain.
All that fuss about consoles being already outdated, and all we get in real world is 10 % over the 3080. But hey it's ok, Nvidia marketing worked, the whales already bought the card. 40 virtual Tflops.
I'm looking forward to the Steam Hardware Survey results in a year's time when the 3090 alone has outsold AMD's entire RDNA2 lineup. Should be fun.
Everything you say, and the reason you say it, is just so painfully transparent /facepalm
36 Tera-fuckin-flops . Don’t even think PS6 will have that much power. You PC gamers are really way ahead.
You can't be serious.As I said, XSX/PS5 are around 3070 level already.
The point was, 36 tflops is misleading. This thing is 'only' 45% (best case) faster than the 13tflop 2080 Ti.
As I said, XSX/PS5 are around 3070 level already.
You can't be serious.
The PS5 will definitely not perform as well as a 3070. You imagine the consoles to be far more powerful than they actually will be.
You are delusional. A 3060 will still run circles around both consoles.Another deceitful move from Ampere unveil was that the 3070 is *faster than the 2080 Ti. It will not be, as this leaked AIB shot shows.
The consoles are around the same level when you consider the heavy customizations to architecture.
I would feel great as well if I actually managed to get one.Feeling good with my 3080 right now lol
You would feel 10% better with 3090.Feeling good with my 3080 right now lol
The point was, 36 tflops is misleading. This thing is 'only' 45% (best case) faster than the 13tflop 2080 Ti.
As I said, XSX/PS5 are around 3070 level already.
You would feel 10% better with 3090.
You are delusional. A 3060 will still run circles around both consoles.
I would feel great as well if I actually managed to get one.
That seems unlikely considering the 2080 Ti is already being beaten out by the RX 5700 series.I'm looking forward to the Steam Hardware Survey results in a year's time when the 3090 alone has outsold AMD's entire RDNA2 lineup. Should be fun.
"They"? Again, who is "they"? The misled people probably aren't the target audience, because the target audience knows how to digest numbers.It's crazy, but after Jensen gave his speech in his kitchen. People were hyped beyond belief, the green Giants said this announcement buried AMD and they will only have a card to compete with the 2080ti, not even 3070 class, so far less the 3080 with its 30tf and the 8k gaming beast, the 36tf card with 24gb was just going to be several generations ahead of AMD and be the ultimate gaming card to ever surface.
I told folk, open your eyes, the Teraflops are blown up beyond performance returns, it's a marketing gimmick, I told folk if you don't believe me, just observe how Nvidia wants to promote this card as 8k, when that only means a 1080p footprint in real time. Yet here it is at only 10% better over 3080 at 4k.
Folks are pretending the 3090 was not marketed as a gaming card, when Nvidia called it the ultimate gaming gpu, the bfgpu, the 8k gaming gpu. The green toy soldiers were expecting a huge uptick over the 3080, they were expecting mammoth numbers over the 2080ti. Some said Ampere would have 2x RTX performance over TURING. The lie detector proved that was a lie..
If 3090 gave a 30-40% increase over the 3080 like they were expecting no one would have amnesia that the 3090 was marketed as a gaming card. There would be lots of chest beating and even more AMD doom and they won't even dream of something competitive with Nvidia. All I have to say on this is..... Stop the hypocrisy. The 3090 is not called a Titan, the 3080S has 20gb of vram and will be a gaming card, suddenly, production gpus are 21 gb and up. That extra 4gb is no gaming bueno....The hypocrisy is way too palpable.
I doubt you have enough solid information to justifiably make that claim.As I said, XSX/PS5 are around 3070 level already.
And don't we already have the custom 3080 with 20gb for that??10% better... until games need more than 10GB of VRAM.
We don't? If we do, send me a link, I will try to buy it.And don't we already have the custom 3080 with 20gb for that??
No, it's just that no games uses all those extra ALU's.isnt this more down to games, drivers and engines not being able to make use of the power and the cpu other parts causing bottle necks?
Tell that to vegeta if you have to courage...Power levels are bullshit
They are gonna come out before 10 gb are not gonna be enough.We don't? If we do, send me a link, I will try to buy it.
Based on the leaked AIB shot, and just scaling from the 3070, the 3060 is looking to hit 2080 levels, which would put it in line with the XSX GPU or a bit slower.You are delusional. A 3060 will still run circles around both consoles.