chixdiggit
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Why does that matter? It will still play my entire Steam library if they abandon it or not.
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Steam Deck | General Review Thread
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Kadve
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So you're saying Starhowl lied? I wouldn't call 91°C that much better.
Kupfer
Member
But it's not about the CPU, the IC which gets up to 91°C is a controller for charging the Deck. And it only gets that hot, if you play and simultaneously charge your deck with a >45w charger.
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drotahorror
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Thinking of cancelling based on battery life.
Kupfer
Member
But I already have 9 GameBoys :-/
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Maiden Voyage
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ToTTenTranz
Banned
From the GamersNexus video, it looks like the Deck's VRMs are overengineered and there's some headroom to increase the GPU clocks, especially if the CPU clocks are manually throttled.
At least on Windows we should also be able to undervolt the CPU and the GPU to get higher clocks at the same power consumption, or lower power consumption at the same clocks.
At least on Windows we should also be able to undervolt the CPU and the GPU to get higher clocks at the same power consumption, or lower power consumption at the same clocks.
YeulEmeralda
Member
No offense but how is this a surprise? Where we expecting a revolutionary Nobel Prize breakthrough on battery tech?
lordrand11
Member
I'm super hyped to get mine in and play around with the different configurations and OS's on it. Definitely going to run Windows 10 on mine too for Retroarch, GoG, and a few others. I preordered the 512 model as well
Kupfer
Member
Did he really made such a statement?Remember, if you watch LTT videos with an adblocker, you are a thief!
Aguero9320
Member
Ha, maybe my post was too subtle. I can’t wait for it, but unfortunately I was on a flight when preorders opened so my ETA is currently after Q2, so I was mischievously encouraging people to cancel, not bashing the Steamdeck…
Starhowl
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Well the actual thing here is that the industrial temperature range goes up to 85°C and the chip is not operating within this limit.
You and others on the other hand are consumers. For consumers the temperature range is actually lower by 15°C, that is the maximum would be 70°C.
For a consumer device this means that the temperature is 20°C higher than it actually should be!
lachesis
Member
Then I guess it's a good thing that I'm getting it after Q2... and hopefully Valve will iron out any kinks in that IC chip being too hot or whatnot.
I like the big form factor - I really liked my Wii U pad... and this reminds me of that, even though it's about 170g heavier.
I think the width of unit and the grip would compensate the weight, though... making it feel much lighter than it really is.
I wouldn't really play it lying down flat in bed though - but in more or less reclined position, with something on the belly to lean it?
Battery hours are rather disappointing - but I think it will be fine for like 30min-45min bus/subway commute for a lot of folks - especially if you can charge from your destination. I tend to only bring small things for the long flights, so I guess this would be out to begin with. (Not liking that short USB charging cable)
Thing that excites me the most about this deck, other than Steam/Game Pass/Steam Link/Emulation - is that I have a feeling that this will get robust user support in actual HW modding and all - maybe someone would even come up with OLED screen kit, or specialized OS tweaks or whatnot - and would love to see how far would people push this thing.
I like the big form factor - I really liked my Wii U pad... and this reminds me of that, even though it's about 170g heavier.
I think the width of unit and the grip would compensate the weight, though... making it feel much lighter than it really is.
I wouldn't really play it lying down flat in bed though - but in more or less reclined position, with something on the belly to lean it?
Battery hours are rather disappointing - but I think it will be fine for like 30min-45min bus/subway commute for a lot of folks - especially if you can charge from your destination. I tend to only bring small things for the long flights, so I guess this would be out to begin with. (Not liking that short USB charging cable)
Thing that excites me the most about this deck, other than Steam/Game Pass/Steam Link/Emulation - is that I have a feeling that this will get robust user support in actual HW modding and all - maybe someone would even come up with OLED screen kit, or specialized OS tweaks or whatnot - and would love to see how far would people push this thing.
for battery conservative situations just play sprite based goodies. didnt dead cells scooop up 6 hours? i'm probably going to play through a bunch of old shit on mine. with that and switch, i can travel comfortably. then when home or stationary i can play some heavier titles. but yea i wish battery was better.
Kupfer
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Well the actual thing here is that the industrial temperature range goes up to 85°C and the chip is not operating within this limit.
You and others on the other hand are consumers. For consumers the temperature range is actually lower by 15°C, that is the maximum would be 70°C.
For a consumer device this means that the temperature is 20°C higher than it actually should be!
I don't understand the part about the industrial temperature and the user temperature. If the "Oper. Temp. (°C)" is -40°C - 85°C the IC does not care whether it is used industrially or in the device of an end user. And where does it come from that the limit at the end user is suddenly 15°C lower than in the data sheet?
As already mentioned, I am very sure, even if I can't back it up, that Valve has done a lot of stress testing and knows exactly why they chose this IC. This is supported by the fact that Valve explicitly claims in their documentation that this IC is allowed to get up to a temperature of 105°C.
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Okay I'm just looking in the datasheet of the IC and there is this paragraph:
Did you mean that by any case with the 15 °C ?
You can also find this paragraph:
So we basically have a thermal shutdown triggered by a varibale temperature set by the dev and then we have a thermal fault triggered when the IC gets 165°C hot if I get that right.
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Furthermore, the datasheet gives the codes for the different temperatures from which you can limit the charging current.
This is done in steps of 5 from 85°C to 130°C. If the manufacturer ensures that the developer can control and regulate the chip up to 130°C and that it only switches itself off at 165°C, 91°C is really no big deal.
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Kokoloko85
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Ill probably buy it next year or end of the year, PSvr2 comes 1st . And mostly use it for dock mode like i do use the Switch
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
That looks ridiculous. Laughable battery life too...
fran.fernandez
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Feels like this will come and go.
For the museum
For the museum
CrustyBritches
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The Phawx posted a new video yesterday. It's *edit* just FH5, but he does a really good job understanding what to look for in comparison to other handheld gaming PCs.
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lachesis
Member
Looks like iFixit will sell the parts and pieces for the Steam deck.
After watching the video (and along with the Gamer Nexus one) - yeah... I wish the battery was easier to remove.
Of all my handhelds - the batteries are always the one that goes bad first... and this one seems to be pretty hard to remove, due to all that adhesives.
Ev1L AuRoN
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Steam Deck in my hands would be a emulation machine, with indies on top of it. It can run AAA, but at low settings/fps and with poor battery life.
lastmessiah
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Kind of a bummer that they went with a super shitty display. The Switch OLED will look like a dream compared to this.
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Ultradsa
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I don't know about a super shitty display, The only preview that spent time on the display said it was good and very good at consistent colors on various brightness settings. I wish it was OLED also but i'm not going to assume it's a bad screen without more reviews/previews that delve on it.
JackSparr0w
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Yes you should definitely wait for Steam Deck 2 all the Steam machine 2, Steam controller 2, Steam link 2 and Index 2 users agree.
Phase
Member
Well, I just built a nice new pc last year so the current steam deck would only serve as a low-quality portable option - something I don't want or need. Maybe in 6-7 yrs when my pc is on its way out or if a part dies early.
LiquidMetal14
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This thing will destroy my OLED Switch.
lastmessiah
Member
Except it isn't OLED and only has 68% color coverage.
SaiyanRaoh
Member
Nope. When gaming is the way it is today, in my house, everything that is able is an emu machine. My Steam Deck will be yet another.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Good video. Surprised that Control doesn't take much of hit to image quality going from 720p to 540p. DMC V takes a hit, but FSR does a nice job of defining edges and bring the image quality back up.
In comparison to what device?
Hopefully you cancelled a 256GB or 512GB model so I can move up a spot.
If you have a handheld capable of playing Steam, Switch, and PS3 games, then you already spent over $1000 and it would surely be redundant to buy another. In general most people don't have GPD Win 3, Neo Pro, or OneXPlayer.
Can you expound on how it's "gonna become useless real quick"?
Ev1L AuRoN
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I'm not comparing to anything, 1.5 Hour for a handheld is poor by any metric, and that would be the case for players who want to play tripple A games on it.
I merely suggest that, as an emulation and indie device, I will have an acceptable battery life. So, for ME, a Steam Deck would be used as such. I don't want to play PC games at low settings e low fps, I rather have a premium emulation box.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Fair enough. Keep in mind Phawx got 6hrs on Dead Cells, 7.5hrs with tweaked settings, and although the totally uncapped test on Control yielded a worst-case of 1.5hrs in his previous video, in new video with FSR he was able to add another hour for only a slight reduction in image quality.
To be fair we haven't seen battery life for emulation. As much as I'm into the emulation aspect, I'm also looking forward to playing Steam games that aren't as heavy as Control uncapped at over 60fps. I'm fine with 2-3hrs of battery life for newer games.
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FearlessBelgian
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That the worst part of Steam deck... And the screen on a portable device is the first thing you look at...
Danjin44
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Is that true? If it is it gonna suck playing any long JRPG or SRPG on this thing.
Dream-Knife
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Original Switch had a 1.5-2 hour battery life in XC2.
Danjin44
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Really? I own original release Switch I spend 3 hour playing XC2 and SMTV in handheld mode on my bed before going to sleep.
Mr Branding
Member
Love the Nintendo salt in here. Screen not as good as Oled, battery doesn’t last like og Switch, lol. Have fun playing Switch games guys, but the fear mongering and concern trolling is too much. See you guys in q2, hope you get that elden ring on switch, oh wait, you get no man’s sky.
Danjin44
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??? I have PS5, I just gonna get Elden Ring for that system, I have Switch for game like Xenoblade, Shin Megami tensei and other exclusive games.
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KingGhidorah
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LOL, why do you think Nintendo fans are jealous??? Steam Desk is absolutely no threat to Switch. NONE. It'd be lucky if it sold 10 million in its life time
Dream-Knife
Banned
My OG switch died in 2019 and was replaced with a V2, so no idea on SMTV, but yeah XC2 would last about 2 hours. BOTW was around 2.5 I think.
lachesis
Member
I'm getting Steam deck for basically Falcom games (Trails series) and also Ys series as well.
I would stick to PS5 or Switch - but it's the language option that's more robust on Steam end.... and I don't want to pay premium to import PS5/Switch games anymore - if it's something I can buy cheap on Steam.
While I don't expect that those Falcom games would require so much of battery power... but then again, I don't underestimate the power of under-optimization...
If it runs Trails game for 2-3 hours, I think I would be okay. It's unlikely that I will have uninterrupted gaming time for over 30 min in any case, or away from any power outlet for extended period of time.
I would stick to PS5 or Switch - but it's the language option that's more robust on Steam end.... and I don't want to pay premium to import PS5/Switch games anymore - if it's something I can buy cheap on Steam.
While I don't expect that those Falcom games would require so much of battery power... but then again, I don't underestimate the power of under-optimization...
If it runs Trails game for 2-3 hours, I think I would be okay. It's unlikely that I will have uninterrupted gaming time for over 30 min in any case, or away from any power outlet for extended period of time.