DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
His claim is that we don't notice frame-rate drops without DF telling us.drops into the 50s is barely noticeable on a VRR screen
His claim is that we don't notice frame-rate drops without DF telling us.drops into the 50s is barely noticeable on a VRR screen
This is a VG Tech thread. The stat sheet link is in the OP. Why would you bring up NX Gamer?How many times have I mention NX Gamer's stats and you keep bringing up VG stat sheet?
Not true. I said nobody would know the differences between the games unless sites told us by doing stat sheets and two screens beside each other, since nobody is going to play two games at the same time and notice 16 or 29 out of sync frames out of 27000 as a big variance. Youd need 4 eyeballs like a hawk trying to isolate those 13 frames difference. Only reason we know is because VG Tech does the comparison and dumps the data into a spreadsheet.His claim is that we don't notice frame-rate drops without DF telling us.
Because I told you that the game drops larger in other areas. Being a VG Tech thread doesn't negate that.This is a VG Tech thread. The stat sheet link is in the OP. Why would you bring up NX Gamer?
No, you said these sites after I mentioned DF, NX Gamer and VG Tech. You weren't just talking about VG Tech.Not true. I said nobody would know the differences between the games unless sites told us by doing stat sheets and two screens beside each other, since nobody is going to play two games at the same time and notice 13 or 29 out of sync frames out of 27000 as a big variance. Youd need 4 eyesballs like a hawk trying to isolate that. Only reason we know is because VG Tech does the comparison and dumps the data into a spreadsheet.
I'm sure you're joking but I'll bite. Any game that has been optimized for the PS5 SSD loads in a second or less. Dying in Demons Souls, Ratchet and Clank, Miles Morales, FF7 Intergrade, Spider Man Remastered ..... I know you're not using poorly optimized multiplatform games as a basis for anything right?
To the other people the consoles are really too close to call it stop bitching and enjoy the generation it should be good for everyone.
I have Death Stranding from Epic store on my PC SSD, it also reloads in a second.
At the end of the day, this is a VG Tech thread with their linked spreadsheet. So don't muddy the waters.Because I told you that the game drops larger in other areas. Being a VG Tech thread doesn't negate that.
No, you said these sites after I mentioned DF, NX Gamer and VG Tech. You weren't just talking about VG Tech.
Those are engine-related asset streaming stutters (frametime spikes). Happens on Series X|S too:
DF found the same drops on PS5.
Those are engine-related asset streaming stutters (frametime spikes). Happens on Series X|S too:
This is actual GPU-related drops, fixed in the native app:
Those are engine-related asset streaming stutters (frametime spikes). Happens on Series X|S too:
This is actual GPU-related drops, fixed in the native app:
This indicates that games in back-compat mode aren't getting access to the full power (2230 MHz) of the GPU.The length of the drops is the biggest difference. Im talking about GPU related drops in comparison to the streaming related ones.
VRR doesn't sort out those sharp frametime spikes that plague every console.I think it's more important in gameplay, glad I have VRR to sort that out.
Once PS5 gets VRR it will be even smoother than XSX, mmmmmm buttery smooth yeahI think it's more important in gameplay, glad I have VRR to sort that out.
VRR doesn't sort out those sharp frametime spikes that plague every console.
Does for me, I also run everything at 120hz to half the frametimes, makes a huge difference.
What a sad clown.vrrrooommm
vrrrooommm
I'm not referring to you.Ohh someone's triggered.
Sorry why give Empathy emote to my perfectly factual post saying once PS5 gets VRR it will be even smoother. It is true since there are fewer frame time spikes to begin with to smooth out, so PS5+VRR>XSX+VRR.Does for me, I also run everything at 120hz to half the frametimes, makes a huge difference.
Ohh. My bad.I'm not referring to you.
Sorry why give Empathy emote to my perfectly factual post saying once PS5 gets VRR it will be even smoother. It is true since there are fewer frame time spikes to begin with to smooth out, so PS5+VRR>XSX+VRR.
Do you deny that fact? If you do then, would you agree that you are holding onto a temporary feature availability for console warring purposes?
You never called lower resolution the other games on series X with DRS and minimum resolution lower of the ps5. Just why?It's totally smooth on my TV already, so when PS5 eventually gets VRR and I have one connected to the same TV I would just get the same experience at a lower resolution.
Yep, input delay is lower at 120 hz. When silky smooth gets even silkier and smootherDoes for me, I also run everything at 120hz to half the frametimes, makes a huge difference.
Mod of War I think he really just did agree that he is using VRR feature availability for console warring purposes, and then to top it off he'd go ahead and describe how in a feature parity situation PS5 will still be inferior. Don't know how he could be exposed more as a console warring guy but if I'm wrong feel free to warn/ban me instead. Also doing this here in plain sight cause I don't have a report button.It's totally smooth on my TV already, so when PS5 eventually gets VRR and I have one connected to the same TV I would just get the same experience at a lower resolution.
What? What he wrote is exactly right, with both consoles having VRR the framerate experience would be the same, PS5 would just have a slightly lower resolution. In what world is this console warring?Mod of War I think he really just did agree that he is using VRR feature availability for console warring purposes, and then to top it off he'd go ahead and describe how in a feature parity situation PS5 will still be inferior. Don't know how he could be exposed more as a console warring guy but if I'm wrong feel free to warn/ban me instead. Also doing this here in plain sight cause I don't have a report button.
What games are you talking about? I remember Ass Creed and an early version of Dirt 5 had higher resolution on PS5 under specific circumstances. Both games were basically day 1 quick ports, very early days of the new Xbox GDK. Are there any more recent examples?You never called lower resolution the other games on series X with DRS and minimum resolution lower of the ps5. Just why?
Mod of War I think he really just did agree that he is using VRR feature availability for console warring purposes, and then to top it off he'd go ahead and describe how in a feature parity situation PS5 will still be inferior. Don't know how he could be exposed more as a console warring guy but if I'm wrong feel free to warn/ban me instead. Also doing this here in plain sight cause I don't have a report button.
I'm talking about the fact when game uses lower DRS on series X was never considered as inferior resolution. But now which happens the contrary .... ah I see when was on series X it was "under specific circumstances". But on ps5 they are constantly lower resolution when DRS is appliedWhat games are you talking about? I remember Ass Creed and an early version of Dirt 5 had higher resolution on PS5 under specific circumstances. Both games were basically day 1 quick ports, very early days of the new Xbox GDK. Are there any more recent examples?
He does this all the time. Trying to bait people. He is just a troll.Mod of War I think he really just did agree that he is using VRR feature availability for console warring purposes, and then to top it off he'd go ahead and describe how in a feature parity situation PS5 will still be inferior. Don't know how he could be exposed more as a console warring guy but if I'm wrong feel free to warn/ban me instead. Also doing this here in plain sight cause I don't have a report button.
Well I'm asking which games you mean because since the console release and very early GDK days I can't remember any games being lower resolution on XSX. I'm genuinely curious which games you mean.I'm talking about the fact when game uses lower DRS on series X was never considered as inferior resolution. But now which happens the contrary .... ah I see when was on series X it was under specific circumstances. Now on ps5 they are constantly lower resolution when DRS is applied
Soulzborne started this weak ass ban baiting, and now Apollo and you are doing the same. Mod of War won't fall for such blatant bullshit. Riky did nothing wrong aside from praising VRR and fulfilling his tag destinyHe does this all the time. Trying to bait people. He is just a troll.
Very early GDK. So now Dirt, AC and Tony Hawk runs higher res?Well I'm asking which games you mean because since the console release and very early GDK days I can't remember any games being lower resolution on XSX. I'm genuinely curious which games you mean.
Who knows.Soulzborne started this weak ass ban baiting, and now Apollo and you are doing the same. Mod of War won't fall for such blatant bullshit. Riky did nothing wrong aside from praising VRR and fulfilling his tag destiny
Soulzborne started this weak ass ban baiting, and now Apollo and you are doing the same. Mod of War won't fall for such blatant bullshit. Riky did nothing wrong aside from praising VRR and fulfilling his tag destiny
A world where one gamer says "totally smooth" for a game with 29 out of sync frames out of 27000 with VRR, but another gamer using VG's spreadsheet saying 29 bad frames means it's not totally smooth.What? What he wrote is exactly right, with both consoles having VRR the framerate experience would be the same, PS5 would just have a slightly lower resolution. In what world is this console warring?
Oh poor buddy; he never did nothing of wrong. He just can't avoid to leave the lol emoticon without any comments to everyone with different opinions, even when they deliberately left him on ignore list, but he did it with innocence. So innocent and honest. How people can hate him? He never liked console war, a pure deep soul with always interesting and solid argument. He never provocate. Never.It's obviously a little campaign they have between them, very sad.
I'm not sure if this will get me banned, but I had fun yesterday trolling people. I don't really care about these differences (which I don't think was that big). I just wanted to rattle some cages for the entertainment.
campaign? Dude, I literally returned very recently after months of absence, I dunno who you are even and you group me into 'them'? I just looked at this thread alone for a few pages and the only thing I saw was VRR VRR VRR VRR VRR VRR VRR VRR VRR VRR and VRR by you, sorry for exaggerating a little but not a lot LOL And it was clear as day for me how you use this feature for console warring purposes for your favourite brand of plastic, and wanted to remind you that PS5 will be getting the exact same feature and when they do, this game which has much less frame time spikes and no dropped frames on PS5 will be even smoother with VRR and that is a fact. Then you went ahead with 'yeah but' and this time clung to lower resolution with a moved goalpost to do the same console warring for your favourite brand of plastic.... I mean thread history speaks volumes for itself.It's obviously a little campaign they have between them, very sad.
so if you ignore Control, and Metro, the Xbox has no advantage in RT.
let's just ignore the 2 most demanding RT using games... great argument!
how handy to just ignore 2 games where the SX can show an advantage of up to 20%, sometimes even higher
Ah yes, Tony Hawk was the other one. If I remember correctly, Dirt 5 got patched so min res is the same between both consoles (1440p in quality and 900p in performance mode).Very early GDK. So now Dirt, AC and Tony Hawk runs higher res?
campaign? Dude, I literally returned very recently after months of absence, I dunno who you are even and you group me into 'them'? I just looked at this thread alone for a few pages and the only thing I saw was VRR VRR VRR VRR VRR VRR VRR VRR VRR VRR and VRR by you, sorry for exaggerating a little but not a lot LOL And it was clear as day for me how you use this feature for console warring purposes for your favourite brand of plastic, and wanted to remind you that PS5 will be getting the exact same feature and when they do, this game which has much less frame time spikes and no dropped frames on PS5 will be even smoother with VRR and that is a fact. Then you went ahead with 'yeah but' and this time clung to lower resolution with a moved goalpost to do the same console warring for your favourite brand of plastic.... I mean thread history speaks volumes for itself.
Ps5 will hopefully allow us to run every game at 120 hz with vrr which will specifically reduce the input lag significantly. Right now all 60 FPS games are at 60 hz which adds more input lag due to tv having slower response at 60 vs 120, but also vsync related input lag.What? What he wrote is exactly right, with both consoles having VRR the framerate experience would be the same, PS5 would just have a slightly lower resolution. In what world is this console warring?
When your talking about framerates then VRR becomes an important topic, it's not my fault every console doesn't support it, I'd direct your obvious frustration at console manufacturers not me. Also don't lie about no dropped frames.
Oh poor buddy; he never did nothing of wrong. He just can't avoid to leave the lol emoticon without any comments to everyone with different opinions, even when they deliberately left him on ignore list, but he did it with innocence. So innocent and honest. How people can hate him? He never liked console war, a pure deep soul with always interesting and solid argument. He never provocate. Never.
Oh you change the emoticon? I swear it was a lol, but why? What a candid soul.
No, you just didn't want anyone to bring it up. lolAt the end of the day, this is a VG Tech thread with their linked spreadsheet. So don't muddy the waters.
PS5 won the frame rate war with only 16 bad frames out of 21700, while Xbox had 29 bad frames out of the same amount.
If you want to keep complaining despite winning the console fight by 13 better frames, go ahead.
LOL. Where XSX in Control has better RT performance during gameplay? Where XSX in Metro has better RT performance during gameplay? Simple answer - you won't find any.
EDIT : Oh, yes, Xbox fans counts photomode, right. :/ Are you, Xbox fans, played Control just to use photomode?
The first post I did in this thread brought up the frames difference where PS5 had 16 bad frames out of 27000, and Series X had 29. So stop lying. From the beginning I posted what the VG Tech spreadsheet said where PS5 edged out Series X with 13 better frames out of 27000 tracked.No, you just didn't want anyone to bring it up. lol
The first post I did in this thread brought up the frames difference where PS5 had 16 bad frames out of 27000, and Series X had 29. So stop lying. From the beginning I posted what the VG Tech spreadsheet said where PS5 edged out Series X with 13 better frames out of 27000 tracked.
Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Frame Rate Comparison (Next-Gen Update), VGTech | NeoGAF
So relax Dforce. You won the frame rate war with 13 better frames. Yet you are still going on.
Series X wins.
In the Stats page, it shows PS5 with 16 frames out of 21700 that arent 60 fps, and Series X is 29 frames out 21700.
Have fun playing the game and trying to figure out the 13 frames advantage which arent running at 60 fps.
I'll take a res bump as it'll apply more holistically across the game than 13 frames out of 21700 that run at higher frames. It's not 13000, 1300 or even 130. It's 13.
And no one here would know frame drops without these sites doing it either. But given the information, Series X wins.
It's OK Dforce. It's just a reverse of PS4/Xbox One days when PS4 had more resolution wins. Since PS4 Pro/One X days (and now), Xbox systems win the res game almost all the time.
I'm sure you were a resolution supporter back in the day. So you cant do a 180 now when it doesn't support your console.