Swift_Star
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They should share their enthusiasm without trying to downplay PS, that shows they don’t really trust their favorite brand.
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Sonys upcoming Multiplayer Games have the ability to take them to the next level
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remember_spinal
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Then how do you explain the following?I own all 3 and honestly, PS5 really is not the console for FPS games at all. There are literally no exclusive FPS games on it. Heck even the Switch has a few questionable FPS games but it’s more than PS5 still. PlayStation only seem to care for Cinematic action adventure games which isn’t a bad thing at all.
- Expanding the staff of their current studios.
- Naughty Dog's next game is a stand-alone Multiplayer title.
- Guerrilla Games recruiting ex Rainbow Six: Siege Devs
- Twisted Metal Multiplayer game
- Haven multiplayer title
- Deviation multiplayer title.
So how can they only care for single-player titles when they're hiring devs for multiplayer titles?
To be fair there were more than enough fps franchises around that sony themselves didnt really have to do anything/worry about it. Now that ms have bought bethestha and activision they pretty much own all the big fps franchises. Off the top of my head ea is the only 3rd party left that has any fps worth a damn that ms doesnt own, i guess ubisoft with its farcry series. Kinda insane now that i think of it.
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remember_spinal
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And some independent studios like Bungie. I think all these devs hop from studio to studio its hard to even pinpoint which will stay dominant. These devs don’t want to be locked down under activision who are now locked down under microsoft.
Its also crazy too that sony doesnt have a bigger 1st party multiplayer presence. Sure their games selling 10-20 millions units are amazing but that pales in comparsion to what some of these multiplayer games make from mtx and dlc.
remember_spinal
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They probably thought they could coast off the third parties and be a “speciality” publisher but i think when Hermen Hulst and Shu and a bunch of people got promoted and shuffled around a few years ago they decided they had to diversify the line up. Thats something Hulst has been saying a lot in interviews.
I think it was under Shawn layden that the open world/action gams became the dominate game under sony. The studios were also a lot smaller last gen. They didn’t really have the capacity to develop multiple games at once like they do now
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Damigos
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For those i agree. And i had some of the best MP ever in Driveclub. But imagine skin packs for The Last of Us and Battle Passes for God of War...
SoloKingRobert
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Sony already did, it's called Destruction AllStars.
remember_spinal
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I am saying Sea of thieves is on another level than anything Sony has produced in the multiplayer space, and by FAR.
MLB? TLOU? None of the games you mentioned are even better (iin systems etc) than Halo 2 from 2004...
Oh an Gran Turismo sport is very mediocre multiplayer compared to the competition in multiplayer space (see Forza Horizon games for example)
Sony has focused on singleplayer and is untouchable there - but they have NEVER produced an amazing or even very good multiplayer game. Their multi games have either been niche (Starhawk, Twisted Metal) och mediocre compared to the singleplayer modes (Killzone, Uncharted, TLOU, Tsushima)
They dont have a single successful game a service - so yeah expectations should not be high here
Is this a weird take? Do you expect Microsoft to produce an amazing singleplayer cinematic linear third person experience "Sony-style" also?
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kyliethicc
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T0minator
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I'm sure at this point Sony is eye ballin these independent devs more than ever. Deviation being built with PlayStation. Naturally an acquisition seems very likely. Haven Studios has been so quiet I haven't seen job postings
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remember_spinal
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No job listings because they are poaching like crazy from Ubisoft. They’ve been getting al ot of senior talent from there and i think she already had a team in place from the google game.
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It is usually a good idea to take a look at twitch to see hos successful any game a service is
lets see
GT Sport currently has 54 viewers on Twitch
Helldivers currently has 1 viewer on Twitch
MLB the show currently has 156 viewers on Twitch
...clearly we have a different definition of "successful"
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Better based on what? Your own opinion?
You're literally bringing up games from 2022. That's how far you're reaching.
The main motorsports series hasn't been a huge hit. GT games have been much bigger than the Motorsports mainline series. So based on your post, GT sport was bigger than the just about every single one of those.
Where's your proof that GT Sport, TLOU MP, and MLB have been niche.
DForce
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Yoboman
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You're right, Sony doesn't have a single successful multiplayer game just like MS dont have a single successful single player game
Ezquimacore
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The Last time I had a little bit of fun with a PlayStation multiplayer game was with uncharted 3
You're going by twitch views? LOL
Well games as a service has long legs.. and streaming reflects that. These games seem pretty dead
Gt sport etc does not seem like a good example of a successful ”as a service” game. Any other ideas?
Oh and any other metrics you can show to prove Sony have had successful games of this kind?
Well games as a service has long legs.. and streaming reflects that. These games seem pretty dead
Gt sport etc does not seem like a good example of a successful ”as a service” game. Any other ideas?
Oh and any other metrics you can show to prove Sony have had successful games of this kind?
Yeah this is actually a good point.
Sonys "successful" titles have been good pretty much 100% because of their singleplayer modes (many even lack multiplayer)
TLOU
Uncharted
Ratchet
Returnal
Ghost of Tsushima
the list goes on
MS "successful" titles have pretty much all have multiplayer (of some kind of games as a service) at the front, or at least a big part
Halo (multi is played way more and has coop)
Gears (multi is played way more and has coop)
Sea of Thieves
Minecraft
Forza Horizon
Ori is the only singleplayer title of note from MS really.. (If you count Bethesda there are however lots of course)
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W11d
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probably more like COD Zombies.
I expect something like Destiny from Firewalk. Especially since they have Ryan Ellis (Destiny 2 creative director)
yurinka
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This is a dumb idea, GaaS performance and Twitch viewership are totally unrelated, specially for games released many years ago.
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yurinka
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They also have many important MP games even if most of them aren't as popular:
Gran Turismo
Twisted Metal
Little Big Planet
MLB? (I have no idea if it has MP)
Singstar
Wipeout
Motorstorm
Helldivers
...
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yeah but that was my whole point. Sony has had lots of multiplayer games - But none have been really successful or big.
Every single multiplayer game/mode has faded away quickly unlike Sonys MASSIVE success on the singleplayer front. Sony has really relied on third parties for multiplayer (Destiny, Rocket L, Fortnite, CoD, Battlefield, Minecraft etc)
Riky
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We will have to wait until these games are even announced then released years from now before we know if they can maintain any sort of online community which in my opinion Sony hasn't managed since the early years of Killzone 2.
Destruction All Stars was the last effort and it was terrible.
Destruction All Stars was the last effort and it was terrible.
Loxus
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I like how you ignore Uncharted and the Last of Us multiplayer.
yurinka
Member
Not true:
Gran Turismo has been their best selling IP for decades with over 80M units sold.
Singstar franchise sold around 20M copies.
LBP with a few games sold over 10M copies and a shit ton of DLC.
Twisted Metal and Wipeout were some of their biggest brands in their early days.
MLB sells a shit ton, last year it was one of the best selling games of the year.
And games like Gran Turismo Sport
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I think this is the only way. A lot of the PS playerbase enjoy single player games and to reach critical mass for a f2p type game they would need to also release it on PC.
you mean those two games that everyone with their friends can't wait to jump in everyday to play in multiplayer ? ah no sorry probably you talking about wrong games
kyliethicc
Member
please stop with this ridiculous ... Sony is a sucker when it comes to multiplayer. and if that weren't enough, their network hasn't always shone for stability and what's more, they are famous for shutting down early servers that they believe are no longer profitable enough. Sony's rating for multiplayer titles is below mediocrity
MikeM
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Warhawk stands out to me. Hell, my dad played it like a religion and he is not a gamer.
If Sony made one compelling enough, i’m sure if everyone’s current COD PS buddies were willing to switch, then they would too. COD is not unbeatable.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Sony needs a online multiplayer shooter we know Gurrellia games is occupied with Horizon but going against Halo and Gears year after year is difficult for Sony.
Loxus
Member
Did you even played those games?
Late PS3, early PS4 had the best multiplayer.
Everyone had their own preference.
Mine was:
Gran Turismo: 5&6
Grand Theft Auto: 4&5 + DLC
Last of Us (PS3&4)
Max Payne: 3
Red Dead Redemption: 1&2
Uncharted: 3&4
Not everyone on the planet plays FPS games or do you live under a rock?
people talk about Sony first party releases ..GTA max Payne Rdr are not sony ip's
Fps (and mobas) games are clearly the most multiplayer played games around the world. But my point was that multiplayer offer from Sony first party is at best mediocre
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in singleplayer games yes
in games "as a service" multiplayer games it is 100% about player engagement over time
Look at the reviews for Sea of Thieves - it was critically panned. But it is a massive success as a service game that improves over time
how can you not know this? this is the ONLY metric for multiplayer games these days. come on
BlueHawk357
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You raise some very fair points, I appreciate that tbh. First of all I’m going to discard Naughty Dog completely as their MP add-one have been very poor. I hope they prove me wrong though.
The ones that intrigue me most are Guerilla Games, and Deviation personally. I believe they can both bring out decent multiplayer titles.
Hey, let’s have our fingers crossed. Would be nice for a bit more variety.
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kyliethicc
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Twitch views lol.
Most people play their games, they don't go watch other people play their games.
Loxus
Member
I list the type of multiplayer games I play which includes PlayStation exclusive.
My friends and I had more fun playing those games than any FPS game.
You act like FPS games can only have good multiplayer but you clearly never played TLOU or Uncharted multiplayer.
Yeah and I imagine a MASSIVE audience plays killzone multiplayer, tlou multiplayer, uncharted multiplayer, gt sport multiplayer
only.. none of them are the stream anything - they just play!
But there are biillions playing these games I tell you! billions!!!!
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Max Payne’s Baretta
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This is an old archaic way to look at the industry. Fortnite and warzone are the highest played / revenue generating pieces of software on PS. F2P Multiplayer games literally sustain the PS platform and you want to come on here and say it’s about sales in 2022 your outlook is very outdated.
ReBurn
Gold Member
An exclusive online shooter so compelling that it not only gets you to switch from COD, but also gets all of your friends to switch from COD, seems like a pretty big lift.
kyliethicc
Member
Sales meaning money. Including mtx.
SmurfMustard
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What? Under which rock have you been hiding the last 10 years?
Max Payne’s Baretta
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Ok what about reviews ? Because the market does not care about reviews. Reviews and MC scores are just used by fanboys in wars consumers don’t care about that.