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If I'm not wrong he missed his arm later when he is reincarnated.That's weird, Minato seems to be Naruto's father who isn't missing an arm. Am I missing something ? Maybe he lost it just before he died ?
If I'm not wrong he missed his arm later when he is reincarnated.That's weird, Minato seems to be Naruto's father who isn't missing an arm. Am I missing something ? Maybe he lost it just before he died ?
Calm down and read next timeAs a PS player since PS1 days, I really hope Sony fail big time this generation. They are turning into d!cks.
As a PS player since PS1 days, I really hope Sony fail big time this generation. They are turning into d!cks.
How exactly are these laws applied? I went to Japan a few years ago and I saw Mortal Kombat X being sold openly. Granted, they were import copies, but shouldn't those be covered by local laws as well?Again, cut limbs in interactivee media are prohibited by Japanese *law*
Clearly didn't read.I don’t buy such a stance. So, Mortal Kombat just won't be on PlayStation? I don't believe that at all.
What's wrong with actually reading the article instead of a headline?!?After the success of TLOU 2, Ghost of Tsushima, GOW, & Bloodborne?
X - Doubt
Edit: Oh so this specifically for a kid's game? Wish the original thread title actually stated that. Nothing to see here...
Well the original thread title didn't reflect that and implied Sony was going to be censoring violence in games in general, hence the edit.What's wrong with actually reading the article instead of a headline?!?
The original title didnt have room for interpretation. Misleading as hellWhat's wrong with actually reading the article instead of a headline?!?
But which hand would you choose if you only had one arm?On the one hand, I advocate for free artistic expression. On the other is my enjoyment for pissing off Naruto fans.
This is an impossible situation.
How exactly are these laws applied? I went to Japan a few years ago and I saw Mortal Kombat X being sold openly. Granted, they were import copies, but shouldn't those be covered by local laws as well?
Not really. That happened because the industry had no rating system.Isn't this similar to what Nintendo did in the 90s allowing SEGA to gain a massive foothold into the market?
It’s a Japanese thing, many games don’t feature dismemberment. If you buy Evil Within or Nioh for instance, bodies will always remain intact.I don’t buy such a stance. So, Mortal Kombat just won't be on PlayStation? I don't believe that at all.
Any game with violent dismemberment is censored in Japan, you can see visual differences with ninja Gaiden 2Yet you have Ghost of Tushima
The original title implied Sony would ban dismemberment violence in ALL games worldwide. It's been updated.It’s a Japanese thing, many games don’t feature dismemberment. If you buy Evil Within or Nioh for instance, bodies will always remain intact.
You clearly didn't read the thread before the mod edit.Clearly didn't read.
Then explain why Kakarot's dismembered character is allowed while Naruto is not.Games rated for kids can’t have dismembered in Japan.
I’m not even sure what the OP is trying with that FUD.
Aren't dismemberments always censored in Japan? Seems like it is a Cero thing to me. Maybe Sony advised them rather than forced them, advised them because Cero wouldn't allow it for a wider audience.
I don't know how the Cero board works but some ratings boards have issues with camera angles and what not, like the stupid American MPAA.
Yeah, it's bullshit. Japan has a lot of rules about depiction of violence.I don’t buy such a stance. So, Mortal Kombat just won't be on PlayStation? I don't believe that at all.
It is not prohibited by law. There is no Japanese law saying interactive media cannot have dismemberment, or feature characters missing limbs. CERO doesn't like dismemberment, but they don't have legal authority.That doesn't mean it's accurate. Developers are human and can get things wrong.
Again, cut limbs in interactivee media are prohibited by Japanese *law*
Nobody plays MK in Japan afaik so I doubt it will be an issue.I don’t buy such a stance. So, Mortal Kombat just won't be on PlayStation? I don't believe that at all.
I though I was clear about kids games instead teenager games.Then explain why Kakarot's dismembered character is allowed while Naruto is not.
Apparently both will be a kids game by the standards.
Not sure, but we do have one for video game asses.Edit: Hey do we have a thread for video game boobs?
Poor OP. He even went to all the trouble of finding that big "Playstation censored" image for even more sensationalism but the evil mods pooped his party.that mod edit
So SIE still decided to handhold the depiction more despite CERO already rated the game as A? I don't understand why they interfered when it's the job of ratings boards to do so.I though I was clear about kids games instead teenager games.
Kakarot: CERO B (12 and up)
Naruto: CERO A (all ages)
Many devs try to stay "below" the limit of what is allowed by rating boards (regardless of the ratings being a "legal suggestion", like PEGI, or mandatory implementation like CERO) because changing the game (if it gets refused or higher rating) and resubmitting takes a lot of time and is very expensive.So SIE still decided handhold the depiction more despite CERO already rated the game as A? I don't understand why they interfered when it's the job of ratings boards to do so.
Then again they can do whatever they want though, not the first time they did that.
The game is rated T in the west, only CERO A for Japan. Also cero ratings are pretty clear about what is possible and vice versa..
Many devs try to stay "below" the limit of what is allowed by rating boards (regardless of the ratings being a "legal suggestion", like PEGI, or mandatory implementation like CERO) because changing the game (if it gets refused or higher rating) and resubmitting takes a lot of time and is very expensive.
Then on the other hand you have platform holders concerned with what the content of each game means for the brand image. Allowing a game rated A to have a visual depiction of a dismembered limb (or lack of it) could not go well with more sensitive parents, and one angry soccer mom on social media can do a TON of damage nowadays, when Karens rule the world.
Yes. Indeed, the loss of limbs in characters who appear human is prohibited by SIE and not by CERO. Even though Minato Namikaze is a corpse resurrected by an unholy reincarnation, if he looks human, he is got out.
It is not prohibited by law. There is no Japanese law saying interactive media cannot have dismemberment, or feature characters missing limbs. CERO doesn't like dismemberment, but they don't have legal authority.
The problem is, if CERO refuses to give your game a rating, then most stores (and Sony's digital storefront) will not sell your game.
PC games are for the most part not rated by CERO, and have more lax restrictions.
In any case yeah, it is a CERO issue, not a Sony issue. iirc they made future Gohan have both arms in some DBZ game, because they don't like one armed characters.
Just wanted to clarify that it has nothing to do with laws, as some people are now saying it is a law thing, and it is even in the thread title.
I would gamble this has something to do with the age at which games are targeted, as if in if you want a game rated for everyone they have some stricter guidelines than typical CERO or something.
Aynyhow, i find this weird regardless, why even bother extra regulations if you have already a rating system in place, it's just extra work for no real reason.
There is dismemberment in PC games. There is no law that forbids dismemberment in games.It's a lot more nuanced than that.
1: CERO does have legal authority. It's straight out illegal for people under 18 to purchase CERO Z games and for stores to sell them to minors. That is unlike most western rating systems that are exclusively an advisory (I believe excluding the UK, but I may be wrong about this).
2: it is not one law that results into the ban of dismemberment from interactive software, but multiple in combination, some of which are very old and don't even literally apply to games but are applied anyway, causing developers to err on the side of caution due to precedent.
3: PC games don't have more lax restrictions at all, just different ones because CERO doesn't generally apply. It's illegal in Japan to even allow access to the floor in which they sell adult-only PC Games to minors, not only to sell them. Since they have harsher sale restrictions, they have looser content restrictions.
Not just SIE... all companies in Japan do the same.So SIE still decided to handhold the depiction more despite CERO already rated the game as A? I don't understand why they interfered when it's the job of ratings boards to do so.
Then again they can do whatever they want though, not the first time they did that.
禁止表現に該当する部分を含む海外のゲームが日本で発売される際に、表現や内容を変更されているケースが多々あります。できるだけオリジナルに近い形で遊びたい人は不満に感じているようですが、日本国内でゲームを発売するためには避けられないルールになっているということでしょうか。
CEROと業界団体が決めた「方法」であって、強制しているわけではないのでルールや規制とは違うんです。先ほども言いましたように、一般社会における倫理水準から逸脱しているものを禁止表現としています。
例えば同じレーティングでも、ある作品ではゾンビの人体欠損表現が含まれているのに、別の作品では欠損した部位が描かれないといったケースがあります。これはCEROの審査によるのではなく、ゲームメーカーの判断によるということですか。
私の立場でははっきりとしたことはお答えできません。ただ、ゲームの表現というのは多種多様になっていて、審査が難しくなっているのは間違いないですね。
There are many cases where the expressions and contents are changed when overseas games that include parts that correspond to prohibited expressions are released in Japan. People who want to play as close to the original as possible seem to be dissatisfied, but is it an unavoidable rule for selling games in Japan?
It is a "method" decided by CERO and industry groups, and it is not enforced, so it is different from rules and regulations. As I said earlier, prohibited expressions are those that deviate from the ethical standards of the general public.
For example, even with the same rating, there are cases where a zombie's human body defect expression is included in one work, but the missing part is not drawn in another work. Does this mean that it is not the judgment of CERO, but the judgment of the game maker?
From my point of view, I cannot answer clearly. However, there is no doubt that the expressions in the game are diverse and difficult to judge.
There is dismemberment in PC games. There is no law that forbids dismemberment in games.
Why would multiple laws, some as you say being very old, apply to video games, but not any other media? Characters can have limbs chopped off in anime, but not in a game? That doesn't make any sense.
PC games do have more lax restrictions. Because CERO's restrictions do not apply. There is a reason that CERO doesn't rate adult PC games and other companies do.
Please show me these laws that somehow only apply to video games and not other media, and also not PC games. Because I don't think they exist.
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Furthermore, to elaborate on CERO's legal authority, they do not have any. Some prefectures have taken it upon themselves to add penalties to retailers that sell Z rated games to minors, but that is not because CERO has any sort of legal power, simply because the prefecture in question has decided to add certain rules. Most prefectures in Japan do not actually have any penalties for selling Z rated games to minors https://www.mext.go.jp/b_menu/shingi/chukyo/chukyo0/toushin/07020115/021.htm
Sony thinking about the children wasn't just all PR apparently.
If this was the case, then I can't imagine how a brutal game like that would be if it was a ps exclusiveI don’t buy such a stance. So, Mortal Kombat just won't be on PlayStation? I don't believe that at all.