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Sony patent update points to a PS5 Pro?

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MonarchJT

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Cerny's backwards compatibility patent were updated this December
The patent name states that it is for a Scalable Game Console CPU/GPU Design For Home Console And Cloud Gaming
The famous insider Zuby_tech discovered it and it would seem to point to a new multi GPU console (a bit like the PS4 pro and its butterfly GPUs)

 
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odhiex

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2024 at the earliest, judging the current semiconductor issues. I do believe that they are going to make one anyway.

Maybe, you could finally play games in those "quality" presets in 60/120fps hahaha.
 

Sosokrates

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I really dont see the point in mid gen Refreshers this gen.

I think they should just make the systems smaller.

What could double the gpu performance really do?

Reach native 4k, maybe higher settings?

I really dont thinknits worth the effort and money this time.
Its not like last gen where the PS4 and X1 were ill equipped to look great on a 4k TV.
 

SlimySnake

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lol, a new version already while most people are unable to even get close to buying the base console :D
Actually, considering how it might be on newer smaller 5nm chips, it should let them make MORE chips since they wont be competing with other 7nm products anymore. They can still continue to make the 7nm PS5s AND have additional supply. It's win win.
 

MonarchJT

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I really dont see the point in mid gen Refreshers this gen.

I think they should just make the systems smaller.

What could double the gpu performance really do?

Reach native 4k, maybe higher settings?

I really dont thinknits worth the effort and money this time.
Its not like last gen where the PS4 and X1 were ill equipped to look great on a 4k TV.
You may be right but imho this is the point. Microsoft has already made very clear their idea on how they no longer believe in the stop / go given by "generations", aiming at continuous backward / forward compatibility. This means that at any time (especially after the recent addition of Xcloud on consoles) they can pull the plug on hardware that they think is obsolete exactly just like is happening to the Xbox One, who is about to continue to exist in the ecosystem thanks to game streaming. Paradoxically, they could also after 4 or 5 years run in streaming even on the Xbox Series S the heaviest games. So they no longer have the problem of having to give up a refresh that would give them new visibility and power for development. The idea that Sony will release a PS5 pro I see more linked to the fact that it will never give up on a console much more powerful than theirs on the market. And I am almost certain that the Ms will release an Xbox series x elite
 

assurdum

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We already know Cerny has patented a butterfly GPU. I thought it was obvious ps5 pro was already in the mind on Sony from the ps5 launch . No way a next gen console will use an enhanced version of the ps5 gpu. If I'm not wrong the same ps4 pro was in Sony mind from the PS4 launch.
 
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rofif

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Patents can be filed only for working concepts I think.
i was hoping no pro consoles this gen
 

Amiga

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Sony should just go to town. make a $1000-1500 premium console. gaming is now mainstream and the market is ready for it. not doing this just concedes the high end costumers to PC.
 

EDMIX

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lol, a new version already while most people are unable to even get close to buying the base console :D

Fuck does that have to do with their R&D? Their job is to design the next PS Pro...

Sosokrates Sosokrates "I really dont see the point in mid gen Refreshers this gen"

The deep lolz.

1. The demand exist since people bought PS4 Pro and XONE X.
2. "I think they should just make the systems smaller." I do too......annnnd still make PS5 Pro. I don't really know why you thought they couldn't do both, they did both last gen.
3. "What could double the gpu performance really do?" MORE then what they can do now, might as well ask what the PS6 can do that the PS5 can't or something, technology slows down for no one.
4. even funnier as you answer you own question "Reach native 4k, maybe higher settings?" .....yes. lol Likely native 4K, 8K checkerboard on most, native on some etc.

"I really dont thinknits worth the effort and money this time." dear god don't go into business. A market exist, they have money, they will buy this. I see zero evidence that they won't or something as if people with money just HATE buying new shit or something lol the fuck? They would be fucking stupid NOT to do a refresh as its leaving tons of money on the table and ignoring a market that demands the latest and greatest.

"Its not like last gen where the PS4 and X1 were ill equipped to look great on a 4k TV.""


PS5 and Series X are fucking ill equipped to look great on a 8K TV.

PS6 and Series GQ are fucking ill equipped to look great on a 16K TV.

PS7 and Series BBQ X are fucking ill equipped to look great on a 32K TV

PS8 and Series Alphabet people are fucking ill equipped to look great on a brain implant titan resolution 3x to the 8th power.

I mean shit, did you not realize tech doesn't just stand still? They are not just making a "forever system" they will always be dated by default and new resolutions, tvs and tech will continue to come out.
 
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Sosokrates

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You may be right but imho this is the point. Microsoft has already made very clear their idea on how they no longer believe in the stop / go given by "generations", aiming at continuous backward / forward compatibility. This means that at any time (especially after the recent addition of Xcloud on consoles) they can pull the plug on hardware that they think is obsolete exactly just like is happening to the Xbox One, who is about to continue to exist in the ecosystem thanks to game streaming. Paradoxically, they could also after 4 or 5 years run in streaming even on the Xbox Series S the heaviest games. So they no longer have the problem of having to give up a refresh that would give them new visibility and power for development. The idea that Sony will release a PS5 pro I see more linked to the fact that it will never give up on a console much more powerful than theirs on the market. And I am almost certain that the Ms will release an Xbox series x elite

Yes, I can see that.

Theres reason I think a more powerful mid gen wont release.

1. The PS5 + XSX are more futureproof in 2020 then the PS4 + X1 were in 2013. They both pushed the boat out and released $499 systems with hardware more advanced then anticipated.

2. Theres 5nm, 3nm and maybe 1nm, after that they will have to 3d stack and use multiple chips which is going to be more expensive. By not releaseing a mid gen, gen10 will be a bigger leap.
 
Fuck does that have to do with their R&D? Their job is to design the next PS Pro...
Why not the next Playstation instead of a pro?

I have a hard time believing a “pro” model gets released this gen because it doesn’t make sense.

“4K” was the marketing pitch for the PS4 Pro and One X. What is this pro model going to do? Give us 8k gaming? Lol.

4K/60 fps with RT would be nice but i don’t think that’s worth a mid gen refresh
 
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KAL2006

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I don’t get the interest in a PS5 Pro. Just get a PC, the PS5 and Series X can do 4K/60 FPS in most games already and I would imagine games will be better optimized as we get deeper in this Gen and devs learn more about these consoles.

Majority of games make you choose between 4K/30 and 1440/60. And these are cross gen games, imagine proper next gen games like the Matrix demo. We will definitely need a Pro version, but perhaps not as early as last gen for the refresh.
 

Abriael_GN

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Uhm patents need to be filled before the product come to the market. That said, it could also be a version of the PS5 designed for psnow rack servers, who knows.

Anyway I just used Google about this patent and almost all those who report the news including psu think of a PS5 pro

1: No, patents don't need to be filled before a product comes to market. A patent needs to be filled only if the product includes a relevant new idea to which a patent can apply. A console with upgraded hardware *absolutely does not* require a patent.
2: Again, only a vast minority of patents are actually applied to products, so thinking that a patent automatically indicates anything product-wise is baseless speculation.
3: Yeah, sites that report patents like they were relevant news (they really aren't) misleadingly link them to anticipated hardware in order to encourage people to click. Just because clickbait is widespread, it doesn't mean it's valid.
 
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Fuck does that have to do with their R&D? Their job is to design the next PS Pro...
What is the point of them wasting resources to make a PS5 Pro console when they can barely make enough to meet demand for their current base version?

There is literally a chip shortage, why would they waste more on an even better console which would require a more sophisticated and harder to get chip at this point?

It would just constrain them even more than they already are.
 

KAL2006

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Why not the next Playstation instead of a pro?

I have a hard time believing a “pro” model gets released this gen because it doesn’t make sense.

“4K” was the marketing pitch for the PS4 Pro and One X. What is this pro model going to do? Give us 8k gaming? Lol.

4K/60 fps with RT would be nice but i don’t think that’s worth a mid gen refresh

4K marketing pitch doesn't matter. They will think of some new shit to market. Pro versions basically everywhere and common in consumer electronics. You have regular iPads and Pro iPads, 2 versions of Pixel phones and etc. A basic consumer will understand the Pro version is better. Mid gen upgrades is here to stay.
 
Majority of games make you choose between 4K/30 and 1440/60. And these are cross gen games, imagine proper next gen games like the Matrix demo. We will definitely need a Pro version, but perhaps not as early as last gen for the refresh.
That isn’t true for all games. Ps5 and Series X does have games that can already do 4K/60 FPS and 1080p at 60 FPS with RT is still amazing if that also becomes more of a trend, especially for $499 consoles.

Both the PS5 and Series X are pretty advance consoles. So if a pro was to come it would be years out and maybe the next consoles will be delayed significantly but idk if people would jump at buying a another PS5 just to play games with slightly better performance. Those type of gamers are most likely already on PC.
 

EDMIX

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What is the point of them wasting resources to make a PS5 Pro console when they can barely make enough to meet demand for their current base version?

There is literally a chip shortage, why would they waste more on an even better console which would require a more sophisticated and harder to get chip at this point?

It would just constrain them even more than they already are.

Ok....again that has nothing to do with their R&D, its like questioning them designing PS6 as if that team's job is to make PS5's in a factory or something lol

They are correct to continue as normal as I don't think they can do much the whole chip shortage thing, that has nothing to do with the R&D team, that isn't their job to even sort any of that shit out, it would be like getting mad that you hear Insomniac is working on Spiderman 2 and be like "wasting resources to make Spiderman 2, when they should be out harvesting PS5's" lol

Its completely irrelevant to those teams man, nothing to do with them.
MatrixReloaded101 MatrixReloaded101 whhhhhat? "Why not the next Playstation instead of a pro?"



This thread has made me laugh so hard, my stomach hurts. I think its even more odd that some are asking questions to things, answered last gen.

So let me help everyone out here.... we got PS4, PS4 Pro, PS4 SLIM (yes they can do that all at once) and get this....PS5 was also being made.

Its....its almost as if they have more then 1 thing going on.... why even ask such a weird thing? Why not just apply exactly what happened last gen? That is the best answer I feel anyone can give as it makes more sense then believing they can't do both, when they just did both last time.

If you ever want to know what a company might do, pay attention to what they've done in the past. Its usually the best way to guess what might happen and I see that they'll just likely do PS5 Pro and have another team working on PS6 and other designs and such. None of that would be shocking even in the slightest as we've gotten new skus and redesigns every generation by PlayStation, I see nothing different hear to sugguest its now become an either or.
 
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TGO

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Was the Pro/X consoles considered a success?
They pretty much discontinued them didn't they?
I'm gonna say I doubt we'll see a Pro console this gen.
 

Haggard

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Why not the next Playstation instead of a pro?

I have a hard time believing a “pro” model gets released this gen because it doesn’t make sense.

“4K” was the marketing pitch for the PS4 Pro and One X. What is this pro model going to do? Give us 8k gaming? Lol.

4K/60 fps with RT would be nice but i don’t think that’s worth a mid gen refresh
Have you slept under a rock this last year?
We're already back down to 1440p for demanding games and actual "next gen" stuff like the matrix demo can't even hold 30 fps at an internal 1080p.
There'd be room for 2 pro updates within the gap to the 3090 alone, and even that one will not be a guaranteed 4k60 once the new gen finally gets going.
 
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Sosokrates

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Fuck does that have to do with their R&D? Their job is to design the next PS Pro...

Sosokrates Sosokrates "I really dont see the point in mid gen Refreshers this gen"

The deep lolz.

1. The demand exist since people bought PS4 Pro and XONE X.
2. "I think they should just make the systems smaller." I do too......annnnd still make PS5 Pro. I don't really know why you thought they couldn't do both, they did both last gen.
3. "What could double the gpu performance really do?" MORE then what they can do now, might as well ask what the PS6 can do that the PS5 can't or something, technology slows down for no one.
4. even funnier as you answer you own question "Reach native 4k, maybe higher settings?" .....yes. lol Likely native 4K, 8K checkerboard on most, native on some etc.

"I really dont thinknits worth the effort and money this time." dear god don't go into business. A market exist, they have money, they will buy this. I see zero evidence that they won't or something as if people with money just HATE buying new shit or something lol the fuck? They would be fucking stupid NOT to do a refresh as its leaving tons of money on the table and ignoring a market that demands the latest and greatest.

"Its not like last gen where the PS4 and X1 were ill equipped to look great on a 4k TV.""


PS5 and Series X are fucking ill equipped to look great on a 8K TV.

PS6 and Series GQ are fucking ill equipped to look great on a 16K TV.

PS7 and Series BBQ X are fucking ill equipped to look great on a 32K TV

PS8 and Series Alphabet people are fucking ill equipped to look great on a brain implant titan resolution 3x to the 8th power.

I mean shit, did you not realize tech doesn't just stand still? They are not just making a "forever system" they will always be dated by default and new resolutions, tvs and tech will continue to come out.

Dont go into business.. how about you dont give me business advice😆
So wheres your evidence that they would make less money by not releaseing mid gens.....
Jeez whats wrong with u, you are really agressive and antagonising in the way u post.

"PS6 and Series GQ are fucking ill equipped to look great on a 16K TV."

Yeah because 8k and 16k TVs are going to be hugely popular... You cant even tell the difference between 4k and 8k unless its like a 65+ inch screen at 3ft away...



"What could double the gpu performance really do?" MORE then what they can do now, might as well ask what the PS6 can do that the PS5 can't or something, technology slows down for no one."

This makes no sense, are u seriously comparing a mid gen refresh to a new gen.
This gen aint like last gen, resolution is not in need of a huge improvement this time round and better quality RT effects are not worth a mid gen refresh imo.

So in future dont bother quoting me just to say why u think im wrong, it brings no real conversation, its just antagonising.
 
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EDMIX

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So wheres your evidence that they would make less money by not releaseing mid gens.....

PS4 Pro and XONE X moved millions of units.

A market exist.

That is evidence enough.

Yeah because 8k and 16k TVs are going to be hugely popular...

Yet people said the exact same thing about 4K, yet here we are.....

You can even tell the difference between 4k and 8k unless its like a 65+ inch screen at 3ft away...

Doesn't matter. Someone will buy it as they always do as early adopters as you saw from 1080p to 4K, you'll see the same thing from 4K to 8K, 8K to 16K etc.

This makes no sense, are u seriously comparing a mid gen refresh to a new gen.

It makes 100% sense, tech advances, it moves forward. To question what new tech can do on PS5 Pro as if it shouldn't exist is to question any new system regardless of what its called. Pro, 6, silm are just semantics, new systems get made based on new tech and demand.

This gen aint like last gen, resolution is not in need of a huge improvement

Funny lol

This is not based on "need", this is based on desire. Someone wants 8K regardless if anyone feels that shit is needed in life or in tech or something weird like that. So it existing at all gives room to improve and give that market a product. The fact that you even don't understand this tells me you don't need to be in business if you really think folks are really out here buying based on "need", sir...no one fucking NEEDS a 4K tv let alone a 8K one, yet here we are with record sales of that shit lol Your feelings about it have no relevance to business. Zero. Once you start trying to force that shit into something like this, it never makes sense and you start acting like it must be NEEDED to exist lol



So...you could have told folks they don't need a $1k phone, you could have told them they don't NEED a 4K tv, I don't know what that shit has to do with reality my guy. Its irrelevant what you think is needed in this respect as that isn't how this market works or reality in general.

So...this whole "need" thing, ignoring it when talking about business, it literally has no place even remotely with this conversation, its why i found it so funny that anyone thinking what they believe others need, would determine a PS5 Pro or PS6 or PS5 Slim or something lol It will exist because demand exist, a market exits, the tech exist and the install base of 8K tv owners is growing.

Thats it....
 

Sosokrates

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PS4 Pro and XONE X moved millions of units.

A market exist.

That is evidence enough.



Yet people said the exact same thing about 4K, yet here we are.....



Doesn't matter. Someone will buy it as they always do as early adopters as you saw from 1080p to 4K, you'll see the same thing from 4K to 8K, 8K to 16K etc.



It makes 100% sense, tech advances, it moves forward. To question what new tech can do on PS5 Pro as if it shouldn't exist is to question any new system regardless of what its called. Pro, 6, silm are just semantics, new systems get made based on new tech and demand.



Funny lol

This is not based on "need", this is based on desire. Someone wants 8K regardless if anyone feels that shit is needed in life or in tech or something weird like that. So it existing at all gives room to improve and give that market a product. The fact that you even don't understand this tells me you don't need to be in business if you really think folks are really out here buying based on "need", sir...no one fucking NEEDS a 4K tv let alone a 8K one, yet here we are with record sales of that shit lol Your feelings about it have no relevance to business. Zero. Once you start trying to force that shit into something like this, it never makes sense and you start acting like it must be NEEDED to exist lol



So...you could have told folks they don't need a $1k phone, you could have told them they don't NEED a 4K tv, I don't know what that shit has to do with reality my guy. Its irrelevant what you think is needed in this respect as that isn't how this market works or reality in general.

So...this whole "need" thing, ignoring it when talking about business, it literally has no place even remotely with this conversation, its why i found it so funny that anyone thinking what they believe others need, would determine a PS5 Pro or PS6 or PS5 Slim or something lol It will exist because demand exist, a market exits, the tech exist and the install base of 8K tv owners is growing.

Thats it....
Well im not going to repeat myself. But its clear we both disagree and lets just leave it at that.
 
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