Sounds like your son’s solution would be cold storage since he has such a busy life and only has very little time to game. The SSD expansion is optional and not necessary to operate the console.
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Sony open up M2 SSD port to beta testers of system software
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Or the way he is describing his son, sounds like he wouldn't need to expand the SSD since he has so little time to game.
Crimson_Fate
Member
Not Really sure why you would take the Beta testing as any real world experience and removing two screws an unsurmaountable task.
Three quick points.
1) Sony will release a list of compatiable drives and you can buy these drives with heatsinks installed . Beta testers are doing their own thing and testing unapproved drives, this is not what most people are going to do or experience .
2) The installation is no worse then opening the battery compartment on a toy which has screws to change the battery . It will take someone longer to download a game then it will to install a drive
3) most people will never need to expand their PS5 because they don't have to . Having 3 or 4 games at the ready is more then enough for most people
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Not sure how if the metal plate is put back on.Nah. First, it wouldn't melt the plastic. Not only because it just wouldn't in general, but the plastic isn't making contact with the heat sink. The second reason is that heat sinks are designed with spacing to allow for air flow through the heat sink. They aren't solid bricks.
Not all are designed the exact same, but take the MHQJRH M.2 2280 SSD double sided heatsink for example:
This allows for the air to flow through the block and let the heat drawn away from the chip by the block to escape and be cooled.
kingkaiser
Member
Major problem here, because the M2s which come with a heatsink pre-installed are ridiculously overpriced.
Take the Western Digital drive for example, the one Mark Cerny promotes, it costs 100 bucks more with original heatsink pre-installed.
Yep, 100 bucks for a little piece of aluminum. That's straight up highway robbery.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Amazon sent this bad boy fast as in next day fast!
Here is a comparison pic with my XSX nvme drive...
Luving those specs!
Dat Aorus drive looks so fit! beast mode. I want one!
Hats off to the little Xbox expansion card though. I got mine the other day and the thing is so tiny and cute with its little protective sleeve. Will be dope when I start going around to my friends houses again or get my series S in the other rooms in the house. Just hot swapping cards.
MasterCornholio
Member
Expensive as heck but those 2TBs are going to be sweet. I'm probably going to get a drive like that in 512GBs. More than enough for my gaming needs and I'll just use a big external for cold storage.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Honestly I would rather buy the ones with the heatsinks. It's worth it, it's designed around it.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Just wanted to chime in and say that you are really bad at analogies. They are really not doing you any favors. Stick to other methods to bolster your argument.
MasterCornholio
Member
He does this often which is why I have him on ignore. I don't know if he's doing it to troll or he's incapable of making good arguments. Reminds me of what he said recently about Ratchet being given for free.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The difference here is that replacing HDDs in PS3, PS4 and Xbox 360 wasnt really that hard. You required a screw and you simply plugged it in. So if your son had no issues with that, he should have no issues with this.
TBH, I dont know of any repair shop that would even agree to do this.
P.S I know how intimidating it can be. I have built PCs from scratch multiple times going back to 2003. I have reapplied the thermal paste on both my PS3 and PS4, and yet went with a prebuilt PC this time around because motherboards freak me out. now anytime there is an issue, I just take it to the shop and pay $90-180 to fix any issues with the motherboard and CPU heatsink. So I get it. But this aint it. It literally just plugs right in.
EDIT: one thing I will say is that It might be a bit confusing to know which SSD to buy, but as you can see with the tweet above, the manufacturers will go out of their way to make sure everyone knows exactly which SSD is PS5 compatible. It's definitely not as easy as going to bestbuy and picking up an Xbox SSD expansion or picking up pretty much any HDD on the market for the PS4, but if you do your shopping online, i suspect it will be very easy to search for PS5 compatible SSDs on bestbuy.com.
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DaleinCalgary
Member
I agree. I ordered a 500gb one last night just to take me to 1.3TB usable, that's plenty for me.I think for most scenarios, like game instals might take just a tad longer, read speed is all that matters.I see the priority levels issue also raising its head for reads rather than writes so both drives have good near internal drive specs write speed to work well.
The SRAM cache in the I/O Processor complex and the DRAM added to the SSD controller (where the external SSD hooks into as well) should help guarantee writes and reads to be batched and reordered to max throughput. Trust the KnackDaddy.
Crimson_Fate
Member
Not sure what drives your looking at but the manufacturer drives with heatsinks only cost about $30 more the 1 TB SN850 is $199/$229. Regardless, the point is that no one needs to look for heatsinks to fit their drives if they buy them preinstalled.
DaleinCalgary
Member
Im not sure where you are seeing that but retailers can charge what they want. On WD's website its $25 more and on newegg its $40 more. And on WD direct website the prices are way higher for the units.
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Mithos
Member
WD Black SN850 2TB without heatsink ~ €390
WD Black SN850 2TB WITH heatsink ~ €525
(price of the 2 versions locally)
NO, it is not worth it, if the prices were ~€390 to ~€425 maybe, but not when the heatsink adds ~€135 to the price
Mr Moose
Member
Not sure if they deliver to where you are, but there's one on Scan UK that converts to €470. Still expensive, though.
DigitalScrap
Member
Hopefully once this is out of beta, Sony will provide a list of compatible drives that they update periodically. Since this is in beta, it makes no sense to complain about the lack of a list just yet.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
The price is like that because people bought up the heatsink version. It was $429 for the heatsink version on WD.com, which is $30 more for the heatsink.
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Crimson_Fate
Member
Mithos
Member
My point was just if the price diffrence is that high its not worth it to buy the "pre-installed heatsink" one, over the no heatsink one + a 3rd party €10-20 heatsink.
I'm sure this is true in some places (stores and countiries).
However the price on the WD Black SN850 2TB (no heatsink) and WD Black SN850 2TB (with heatsink) have been pretty stable the last two months here/locally.
WD BLACK SN850 NVMe SSD M.2 2TB (Solid State-diskar (SSD))
Jämför priser på WD BLACK SN850 NVMe SSD M.2 2TB. Hitta deals från 15 butiker och läs omdömen på Prisjakt.
WD BLACK SN850 NVMe SSD M.2 with Heatsink 2TB (Solid State-diskar (SSD))
Det bästa priset på WD BLACK SN850 NVMe SSD M.2 with Heatsink 2TB hittar du på Prisjakt. Här hittar du även prishistorik, omdömen och oberoende produktjämförelser.
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Mr Moose
Member
Yeah I might get one without a heatsink and attach a 3rd party one, would save me around £30 on the 1TB drive. Depends how lazy I feel at the time and if I get in the beta.My point was just if the price diffrence is that high its not worth it to buy the "pre-installed heatsink" one, over the no heatsink one + a 3rd party €10-20 heatsink.
I'm sure this is true in some places (stores and countiries).
However the price on the WD Black SN850 2TB (no heatsink) and WD Black SN850 2TB (with heatsink) have been pretty stable the last two months here/locally.
WD BLACK SN850 NVMe SSD M.2 2TB (Solid State-diskar (SSD))
Jämför priser på WD BLACK SN850 NVMe SSD M.2 2TB. Hitta deals från 15 butiker och läs omdömen på Prisjakt.www.prisjakt.nu
WD BLACK SN850 NVMe SSD M.2 with Heatsink 2TB (Solid State-diskar (SSD))
Det bästa priset på WD BLACK SN850 NVMe SSD M.2 with Heatsink 2TB hittar du på Prisjakt. Här hittar du även prishistorik, omdömen och oberoende produktjämförelser.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Does anyone know if the sticker on the NVMe drive should be removed before applying a heatsink? I know the ones that come stock with a heatsink don't have any sticker underneath it, from a YouTube video I saw. But a lot of forums say to leave the sticker on because of some warranty issue, or because it supposedly helps dissipate heat? I don't know which one it is.
Tripolygon
Banned
I'm cross posting from reddit as I think DanCTapirson did an excellent writeup and tests.
UPDATE ON PS5 BENCHMARK:
Ok guys this was very interesting. I decided I would reformat the Samsung 980 Pro to see if the PS5 gave me another number on the benchmark it runs. Lo and behold it did! I don't know how this benchmark works, but it's definitely not consistent. I ran it 4 more times and these are the numbers I got:
SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 250 GB
Without Heatsink
This is the one I got. It comes with a Rubber mount and a screw mount. Just use the screw mount if you get this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PS9S2DZ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
IMPORTANT: Before going into the results, I've noticed the 2 exhaust 'holes' Sony mentioned to allow for negative airflow are located on the higher part of the SSD partition to the side of the fan. Image 1, Image 2 As you can see, I took these photos after installing the heatsink. Seems that adding a heatsink makes the heat get closer to these holes, allowing the negative pressure to suck it out of the partition faster. If there's no heatsink installed, the SSD is probably not being "cooled" as efficiently. Just what I think. Now for the results:
Note: The heatsink is dissipating the heat from the hottest area of the SSD to a bigger surface area. I highly recommend getting a heatsink.
UPDATE ON SPEEDS:
ok so I timed some speeds on Ratchet and Clank and Returnal. Games load and perform identical as far as I can tell, but what I found interesting is the difference in time it take to move the games to the main SSD or to the Samsung Pro 980.
I don't know why, but moving to Samsung SSD was faster than moving back to main SSD. Does this mean the main SSD is reading faster, or that the Samsung SSD is writing faster? Or both? The games are loading almost identical, so I'm guessing both are reading equally fast. Hopefully DF can provide more insight into this.
Returnal
Ps5 main SSD:
Ps5 Main SSD:
UPDATE ON PS5 BENCHMARK:
Ok guys this was very interesting. I decided I would reformat the Samsung 980 Pro to see if the PS5 gave me another number on the benchmark it runs. Lo and behold it did! I don't know how this benchmark works, but it's definitely not consistent. I ran it 4 more times and these are the numbers I got:
- 6072.967 MB/s
- 5069.494 MB/s
- 5973.731 MB/s
- 6213.344 MB/s
SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 250 GB
- Tested and works with PS5
- Read speed: 5751.242 MB/s according to PS5. (I got different results here as mentioned above)
- Games played with no issue or difference in speed, loading times, performance: Ratchet and Clank, Returnal, Rainbow Six Siege
Without Heatsink
- Idle Temperature: 55°c - 59°c
- Highest Writing Temperature while transferring 5 games: 74°c
- Highest temperature while playing Ratchet and Clank and Returnal: 72°c
This is the one I got. It comes with a Rubber mount and a screw mount. Just use the screw mount if you get this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PS9S2DZ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
IMPORTANT: Before going into the results, I've noticed the 2 exhaust 'holes' Sony mentioned to allow for negative airflow are located on the higher part of the SSD partition to the side of the fan. Image 1, Image 2 As you can see, I took these photos after installing the heatsink. Seems that adding a heatsink makes the heat get closer to these holes, allowing the negative pressure to suck it out of the partition faster. If there's no heatsink installed, the SSD is probably not being "cooled" as efficiently. Just what I think. Now for the results:
Note: The heatsink is dissipating the heat from the hottest area of the SSD to a bigger surface area. I highly recommend getting a heatsink.
- Idle Temperature: 43°c - 45°c
- Highest Writing Temperature while transferring 5 games: 50°c
- Highest temperature while playing Ratchet and Clank and Returnal: 50°c
UPDATE ON SPEEDS:
ok so I timed some speeds on Ratchet and Clank and Returnal. Games load and perform identical as far as I can tell, but what I found interesting is the difference in time it take to move the games to the main SSD or to the Samsung Pro 980.
I don't know why, but moving to Samsung SSD was faster than moving back to main SSD. Does this mean the main SSD is reading faster, or that the Samsung SSD is writing faster? Or both? The games are loading almost identical, so I'm guessing both are reading equally fast. Hopefully DF can provide more insight into this.
Returnal
Ps5 main SSD:
- Time to game 13.45s
- Time to move 4min 4s
- Time to game 13.37s
- Time to move 2m 3s
Ps5 Main SSD:
- Time to menu 7.51s
- Time to game 1.79s
- Time to move 2m33s
- Time to menu 7.55s
- Time to game 1.86s
- Time to move 1m4s
DaleinCalgary
Member
Thats some massive differences in temperature with or without a heatsink.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I am having trouble deciphering this post... the air gets pulled, from the SSD area, into the system. You quite literally just says it has nothing to do with air being pulled but then said the air is being pulled so I have no idea what to respond with here lol
And.... yes.. it's a heater for it's surroundings, because the SSD is going to be hotter than it's surroundings lol. SSD's w/ a heatsink can get to upwards of 50c, so unless your room is 50c (ouch) the air will be heated. It's.. just how heat and air work lol
I'm not trying to claim it's some huge deal and will cause problems; but it will cause... heat.. and increased heat.. can increase cooling needs.
The system is designed to run it's fans more in a cold room vs. a hot room too.. the fans are going to run based on temperature, so adding to that temperature can and will effect their speeds.
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Futaleufu
Member
The Samsung drive seems to be a lot faster than the internal drive at writing data
Md Ray
Member
Looks like the write speed of that Sammy 980 Pro is much, much superior to PS5's SSD.
MasterCornholio
Member
My guess is that the read speeds were the priority for Sony. Makes sense given how the PS5s I/O is used.
Md Ray
Member
Thanks for sharing this with the non-Redditors. Really helps.
Also likely to cut costs where necessary.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Read speeds are always priority.. which is why a Samsung 980pro advertises 7GB read and 5GB write.
The 5.5GB/second read Sony drive will naturally have a slower write speed.
The 5.5GB/second read Sony drive will naturally have a slower write speed.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Ok, now let's wait for the results then.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
You have a point there, but personally I would pay the extra. Expensive indeed.
graywolf323
Gold Member
dang, that's nuts
at least on Western Digital's US store the price difference was only $20
Crimson_Fate
Member
The 530 looks like it will be a much better drive overall, but the 850 looks to be good enough for the PS5 .. Will wait for real world tests in the PS5
Rocco Schiavone
Member
It's worth If It's designed arround it.
Yeah sure 345€ 2TB with out the heatsink and 500€ with the heatsink because Bo thinks you need the heatsink that comes with the Drive.
Are you kidding me??
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It's worth If It's designed arround it.
Yeah sure 345€ 2TB with out the heatsink and 500€ with the heatsink because Bo thinks you need the heatsink that comes with the Drive.
Are you kidding me??
It's pretty steep indeed, and a rip off. But if you can afford it, why not? To me I won't buy an SSD because the internal one is enough + good internet speed with no caps if I need to download something again. If I ever upgrade it'll be 512GB or 1TB max.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Thing is that until the stocks started to run out the surcharge for the 1TB mode to have the heat sink was relatively small al in all.It's worth If It's designed arround it.
Yeah sure 345€ 2TB with out the heatsink and 500€ with the heatsink because Bo thinks you need the heatsink that comes with the Drive.
Are you kidding me??
Prices will eventually come down as well.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
If you buy from Amazon The heatsink rip off is constantly. And who says that the included heatsink is really that great?
I found a video where a guy compared different heatsinks.
The best reviewed are the Aquacomputer Cyro M and the Silverstone TP02.
So I'm not paying 165€ extra just because someone asumes that the integrated heatsink is better.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Then do not… I got it from WD’s website and the markup price for the heatsink was quite low.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Nice review, just peel off the sticker before putting a heatsink. Heck, I peeled off mine without a heatsink (PC) and usually idles around 41C and gets around 59C in that stress test. The old 970 Pro (Gen 3).
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This is a great fucking video. The guy literally installs the ssd in under a minute while talking at the camera without even looking.
He also brings up a great point about Sony's solution for the ssd expansions not being proprietary. I feel like I am living in an alternate reality where proprietary solutions are celebrated. If you dont want to buy a 1TB ssd, you can easily just go and get a 256 GB for much cheaper. Not to mention the fact that the PS5 ssd is almost 3x more powerful. Of course its going to be more expensive. Hell, the one Cerny mentioned is $200 for 1TB so cheaper than the MS solution for their 2.4 GBps drive.
And lastly, he talks about how the biggest problem with this is Sony's marketing and communication. I feel like a broken record at this point, but their communication or lack thereof is infuriating. Their lack of communication for everything from game events to vrr support to now SSD support has been shockingly poor. Maybe they were going to have a list of compatible SSDs after the update was released to public, maybe not, but they shouldve just put a blogpost out for their beta testers. It's such a simple thing that it's mind boggling that a U.S based company can be so out of touch. They run the Playstation business out of San Mateo next to silicon valley. It's not even like we can blame it on the Japanese execs being out of touch.
Other than that, Sony should be celebrated for offering more choices and a true next gen SSD. Now if they dont deliver on that SSD promise and it turns out this expensive piece of tech would only be used for 1 second faster loading then we can go back and rip Cerny a new one. But right now, I really dont see whats so hard about installing this thing.
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Werewolfgrandma
Banned
The real interesting results will be with slower SSDs.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yep. Let's see how well 3.5 gbps ssds run ratchet.
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