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Sony Doesn't View Xbox Game Pass as Competition, Sources Claim

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Heisenberg007

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Clickbail headline by Tom Henderson.

Jimbo pretty much said that "we are ahead, but we need to continue working on our stuff to improve it further."

"We're just shy of 50 million subscribers and they are in the low 20s, but there's more work to do to grow that number." -- Jim Ryan
 
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CatLady

Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Your personal view on the PS service is one thing. But the numbers involved paint a starkly different picture.

Microsoft's entry offer is £1/$1 or free. The PS5 retails for £450. The fact that PlayStation has sold double their £450 console in 2 years, than XBOX has GP in 7 years, should be an alarming fact for anyone interested in this hobby of ours.
Are you trying to claim Sony has sold a minimum of 50,000 PS5s not including PS5DE? You're delirious.
 

Kagey K

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“We’re just shy of 50 million subscribers and they are in the low 20s, but there’s more work to do to grow that number”.
That quote really confirms this is bullshit.

Sony has been seeing PS+ subscribers drop. He wouldn't round up thier number while rounding down Xbox. He would be very much more concerned about his subscribers dropping and focusing on getting them back up instead of overestimating his numbers
 
Either Jim as per this article or Sony legal going by the concerns they've raised about game pass.

One of them is not on the up and up.
Unlike Microsoft official conflicting public statements from Uncle Phill and Nutella, the rumors from unnamed sources cant be used against Sony in court.


Judge Joe Brown GIF
 
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Nautilus

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Nintendo hasn't really been competition for Sony since the N64, apart from when Sony was competing in the mobile market.

Microsoft has been Sony's only real competition and only became competitive with Sony when the PS3 underperformed.

Sony's lack of competition I think is actually detrimental to their company and why they haven't really grown all that much and other software publishers have grown significantly faster.
Oh yeah sure, because the Wii, Wii U, Switch, DS, 3DS, etc wasn't real console and don't play real games?

Lmao.

Nintendo already kicked out Sony almost completely from Japan, which is effectively the second biggest country for gaming. And is the global market leader for now(PS5 should take that spot in 2023 though).No wonder both Sony and MS is moving to PC, where Nintendo currently doesn't have any presence. Nintendo is currently untouchable, but we shall see how things play out when Nintendo kickstarts the 10th gen.
 
He’s wrong not to be concerned. A cheap Xbox with a GamePass sub is an excellent value proposition. Getting those into homes will eat into Sony’s marketshare and network earnings.

If this report is true, it does explain why Sony haven’t been aggressive with PS+ marketing and game acquisition.
 
Oh yeah sure, because the Wii, Wii U, Switch, DS, 3DS, etc wasn't real console and don't play real games?

Lmao.

Nintendo already kicked out Sony almost completely from Japan, which is effectively the second biggest country for gaming. And is the global market leader for now(PS5 should take that spot in 2023 though).No wonder both Sony and MS is moving to PC, where Nintendo currently doesn't have any presence. Nintendo is currently untouchable, but we shall see how things play out when Nintendo kickstarts the 10th gen.

Next time try reading.

Sony doesn't compete in the mobile market anymore, hence they don't compete with Nintendo.

PS4 sold nearly 10 million units in Japan and PS5 is probably going to match or outpace that result. Certainly not kicked out of Japan. Console gaming just isn't as popular as it once was.

The reality is that Sony has fairly consistently sold more units genration after generation and Nintendo has left the console market predominantly. The Switch is a handheld that will dock to a TV and has terrible 3rd party sales. It's not competing with the PS4 or PS5 for any discernable market share and hasn't eaten into PlayStation market share nor has it significantly expanded Nintendo's handheld system sales.
 
He’s wrong not to be concerned. A cheap Xbox with a GamePass sub is an excellent value proposition. Getting those into homes will eat into Sony’s marketshare and network earnings.

If this report is true, it does explain why Sony haven’t been aggressive with PS+ marketing and game acquisition.

Not much Sony can do about Series S and GamePass... they aren't going to upend their model around that.
 

AGRacing

Gold Member
If you believe that statement you're delusional.

Sony has somehow found its way back to pre-PS3 arrogance and stupidity. Now we're just waiting for their "monumental mistake" phase. 800+ dollar CAD PSVR bundle feels like a pretty good start.
 

Nautilus

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Next time try reading.

Sony doesn't compete in the mobile market anymore, hence they don't compete with Nintendo.

PS4 sold nearly 10 million units in Japan and PS5 is probably going to match or outpace that result. Certainly not kicked out of Japan. Console gaming just isn't as popular as it once was.

The reality is that Sony has fairly consistently sold more units genration after generation and Nintendo has left the console market predominantly. The Switch is a handheld that will dock to a TV and has terrible 3rd party sales. It's not competing with the PS4 or PS5 for any discernable market share and hasn't eaten into PlayStation market share nor has it significantly expanded Nintendo's handheld system sales.
You are the one that doesn't seem to understand.

Both MS, Sony and Nintendo produces consoles.Thus, since they all make products that cater to a similar market, they compete amongs one another.

None of the three make games for the mobile market.Sony and MS never did as far as I know, and before Pikmin Bloom, the last mobile game Nintendo made was Mario Kart Tour, and that one was clearly made because it was halfway done anyway, and they are now reutilizing stuff made for it for MK 8.

PS4 performance was already bad.10 million is just decent, and a far cry from what Sony used to do, and the PS5 has all indications that will do even worse.But software numbers are even worse, since both PS4 and PS5 barely sell games that makes into the top 10. The Switch, meanwhile, is breaking all kinds of records that previous consoles set. Nintendo read the market right, something Sony didn't do(For asian markets anyway), and managed to make a console that found gigantic success there. Its not that japanese moved away from console, its that the Sony walked away from Japan.

And that's the reality: Nintendo has been consistently been selling better than Sony and MS in most major contries. Its just batlantly obvious in Japan, where the disparity is enourmous and Sony basically walked away from that market. Nintendo managed to make a hybrid console that appeals more(for now anyways. The Switch IS 6 years old after all) to the general audience.Couple that with the best exclusives on the market by a long shot, and you can see why it's the current market leader. PS5 will eventually sell more than the Switch next year(Except Japan), but that's because the Switch is old, while the PS5 is new.

Will be interesting to see when Nintendo launches their next hardware, and kickstarts the 10th gen, and see how the market reacts.
 
You are the one that doesn't seem to understand.

Both MS, Sony and Nintendo produces consoles.Thus, since they all make products that cater to a similar market, they compete amongs one another.

None of the three make games for the mobile market.Sony and MS never did as far as I know, and before Pikmin Bloom, the last mobile game Nintendo made was Mario Kart Tour, and that one was clearly made because it was halfway done anyway, and they are now reutilizing stuff made for it for MK 8.

PS4 performance was already bad.10 million is just decent, and a far cry from what Sony used to do, and the PS5 has all indications that will do even worse.But software numbers are even worse, since both PS4 and PS5 barely sell games that makes into the top 10. The Switch, meanwhile, is breaking all kinds of records that previous consoles set. Nintendo read the market right, something Sony didn't do(For asian markets anyway), and managed to make a console that found gigantic success there. Its not that japanese moved away from console, its that the Sony walked away from Japan.

And that's the reality: Nintendo has been consistently been selling better than Sony and MS in most major contries. Its just batlantly obvious in Japan, where the disparity is enourmous and Sony basically walked away from that market. Nintendo managed to make a hybrid console that appeals more(for now anyways. The Switch IS 6 years old after all) to the general audience.Couple that with the best exclusives on the market by a long shot, and you can see why it's the current market leader. PS5 will eventually sell more than the Switch next year(Except Japan), but that's because the Switch is old, while the PS5 is new.

Will be interesting to see when Nintendo launches their next hardware, and kickstarts the 10th gen, and see how the market reacts.
The mobile market also refers to handhelds.

Believe PS3 is already near 3 million units with basically no availability.

Again, the market has changed in Japan, that isn't to suggest that Nintendo has eaten Sony's market share. Nintendo's sales haven't increased at all.

Nintendo's sales match previous handheld entries. That it docks to a TV doesn't make it a direct competitor to more expensive consoles with completely different target audiences.

You can tell this DIRECTLY by the comparison of PS4/Switch hardware sales compared to PS3/3DS and PS2/Gamecube/DS sales...

In fact if you combine the success of the Wii and the 3DS, you see that Nintendo has FAILED to regenerate that combined level of success... Why? Because they have a ceiling on their market base and they no longer are able to get casual NON-gamers to buy.

176 million Wii/3DS sold compared to 107 million Switches sold. Even Gamecube and DS, 175 million is larger. 110 million N64 and GBA they'll probably outdo.

By combining their console and handheld market, they've actually eaten into their own sales and drastically limited their 3rd party revenue.

All this while PlayStation is growing again after PS3, selling nearly 30 million more units. The only PlayStation to outsell the PS4 was the PS2, and the PS5 will probably be somewhere in between, but yes continue to suggest how the Nintendo Handheld Switch is eating into or competing with the PS4/PS5...

The reality is that sony didn't increase their units from PS3 to PS4 at the cost of Nintendo's market share, they did it by having the Xbox One sell 30 million units FEWER units than the Xbox 360.

And THAT is why Microsoft is nervous because they are in direct competition with Sony AND Sony's first party is getting better, they're getting more exclusives, and Microsoft really struggled with Xbox One and really haven't put out a better showing here either, which is again why Sony isn't competing directly with GamePass either.
 

Dick Jones

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The mobile market also refers to handhelds.

Believe PS3 is already near 3 million units with basically no availability.

Again, the market has changed in Japan, that isn't to suggest that Nintendo has eaten Sony's market share. Nintendo's sales haven't increased at all.

Nintendo's sales match previous handheld entries. That it docks to a TV doesn't make it a direct competitor to more expensive consoles with completely different target audiences.

You can tell this DIRECTLY by the comparison of PS4/Switch hardware sales compared to PS3/3DS and PS2/Gamecube/DS sales...

In fact if you combine the success of the Wii and the 3DS, you see that Nintendo has FAILED to regenerate that combined level of success... Why? Because they have a ceiling on their market base and they no longer are able to get casual NON-gamers to buy.

176 million Wii/3DS sold compared to 107 million Switches sold. Even Gamecube and DS, 175 million is larger. 110 million N64 and GBA they'll probably outdo.

By combining their console and handheld market, they've actually eaten into their own sales and drastically limited their 3rd party revenue.

All this while PlayStation is growing again after PS3, selling nearly 30 million more units. The only PlayStation to outsell the PS4 was the PS2, and the PS5 will probably be somewhere in between, but yes continue to suggest how the Nintendo Handheld Switch is eating into or competing with the PS4/PS5...

The reality is that sony didn't increase their units from PS3 to PS4 at the cost of Nintendo's market share, they did it by having the Xbox One sell 30 million units FEWER units than the Xbox 360.

And THAT is why Microsoft is nervous because they are in direct competition with Sony AND Sony's first party is getting better, they're getting more exclusives, and Microsoft really struggled with Xbox One and really haven't put out a better showing here either, which is again why Sony isn't competing directly with GamePass either.
I'd stop debating him. He had a breakdown yesterday when I called the Switch a glorified handheld. I wasn't even insulting the machine (I own one and forgive its lack of power as it is a handheld)

Nintendo's biggest threat is functional cloud gaming on the go. The moment there is the ability to play cutting edge games on your phone almost flawlessly will do more damage to Nintendo than a more powerful PS6 or Xbox Series Next. If Nintendo aren't already planning for cloud gaming they will suffer. That's their competition.
 
Not much Sony can do about Series S and GamePass... they aren't going to upend their model around that.
They can’t do too much about Series S, but the PS5 launching next year will bring the base price down drastically to help compete with it, one assumes.

Outside of that, they could actually put some effort into Premium. Given the back catalogue of PS1, PS2, PSP and PS3 games, it shouldn’t be totally dogshit. By now we should have had Ratchet in there, Sackboy etc. There are definitely moves they could have made.
 
One of these things was happening before the other.
Oh I know. Remember the 360/PS3 era? I sure do. Remember Microsoft paying developers for exclusive dlc and timed exclusive games? I do. Xbox gamers didn't complain then. But now that Sony is doing, they suddenly now have a problem with it.
 
They can’t do too much about Series S, but the PS5 launching next year will bring the base price down drastically to help compete with it, one assumes.

Outside of that, they could actually put some effort into Premium. Given the back catalogue of PS1, PS2, PSP and PS3 games, it shouldn’t be totally dogshit. By now we should have had Ratchet in there, Sackboy etc. There are definitely moves they could have made.
Not sure the new PS5 is going to be any cheaper. Sony is in the driver seat and they probably want to hang onto their margins as long as they can.

PS5 has already been priced to sell, they have no incentive to drop the price beyond what they can supply.

Premium has pretty limited benefits to them. They can track their numbers better than anyone, and know how much effort to put into. They'll probably put more effort into it once people who have stacked years of PS+ and PS Now dwindle or maybe they won't at all.

I still think they're waiting to bundle Crunchyroll at some point.
 
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