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Should Microsoft make Bethesda games only on Xbox and PC or continue to support Nintendo and PlayStation by releasing games on those platforms?
- Thread starter Derktron
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When you get to purchases of this size by companies as mammoth as Microsoft, it's not about making a direct profit like that. If it takes 50 years to pay off Bethesda, that's not a problem.
With, whatever, $140b in hand, you just want to get that money working for you. That means anything above interest levels is a win.
LisaMariaMartin
Banned
Let Sony eat dirt.
DaGwaphics
Member
Because keeping that PS share of Zeni's 500m dollar a year revenue (not profit) is much more important than growing your 3 or 4b per quarter video game platform.
Orta
Banned
And Stadia owners?
Silent Viper
Banned
Do they even exist anymore ?
FrankWza
Member
Im pretty sure the deal was Take two stopped making 3rd party MLB games that they had exclusivity on since 2005. That deal was for Them to be the only 3rd party mlb game they paid for to take it away from ea. Since that deal, any first party mlb game could be developed and built in house. Nintendo nd Microsoft didn’t want to pay to do that. Sony has the engine already so this deal was easy for everyone. It’s about MLB being on more platforms because RBI is terrible which MLB themselves publish to have a broader audience
Latency means you won't get an answer for 3-4 days.
Airbus Jr
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Orta
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Only fanboys denies that these games wont become exclusives.
It's not about gain the profit back from the Bethesda purchase, its a long term investment in havning enough exclusives to make people buy into the Xbox system.
Microsoft earn's plenty on Windows, and professional companies where they sell yearly office solutions for huge amounts of cash.
The price of Bethesda were pocket money from them.
If Microsoft purchased Bethesda to gain more money from them on all platforms, then we would've seen Halo, Gears, Forza on PlayStation as well.
Alas, it's still not to be found on PlayStation.
I still see this meme fits quite well even though its been like six months or so now?
People bringing up MLB lmao. MS owns Zenimax and all of its IP, they'll be exclusive to Xbox. Why give up long term profits from the massive boost in users these games will bring to the Xbox ecosystem by putting their games on competing platforms? All these acquisitions are a long term play. You're clueless if you think MS is worried about recouping their investment in the short term.
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skit_data
Member
Did you just put ”top tier quality” and ”Bethesda” in the same sentence?
I might agree on iD software being quality but Bethesda?
Allnamestakenlol
Member
If their intent is to sell software, then the more platforms the better. If they want to sell hardware, then limiting it to their platform would be best.
Sony fanboys are the most entitled in all gaming. As a PC only player I am against exclusivities of any kind but Sony has been holding up exclusives for ages, even third party ones. So it's only fair that MS ends up doing the same.
At least with them you can play the games on pc or cloud, with Sony you have no choice but to buy their paperweight or subscribe to a subpar service that's available in like 5 countries out of 200.
At least with them you can play the games on pc or cloud, with Sony you have no choice but to buy their paperweight or subscribe to a subpar service that's available in like 5 countries out of 200.
FrankWza
Member
Because they wouldn’t be. They would be KEEPING the games on competing platforms and getting a massive sales boost anyway.
Derktron
Banned
Yeah, I don't get the argument of MLB The Show when they don't own the franchise at all, it's a sports game that they are lucky enough to license still. I can understand that if a game that they own and made comes out other than PlayStation and PC then we can argue that.
alabtrosMyster
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Derktron
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no
DaGwaphics
Member
????? If they sold even 10 or 15 million more Xbox units than they would have without the Bethesda purchase, they will net far more than what could be gained from sales on PS. LOL
There is far more earning potential in the platform than the software. Zeni 500m a year, MS gaming division 10b+ per year.
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Mitsuda Maniac
Member
Where is the option for "Don't Care"? Bethesda games are falling in quality fast. I loved Doom 2016 but can't even be arsed with buying Doom Eternal for 20 bucks on sale.
skit_data
Member
Not to dig up an old carcass of a game but...
LisaMariaMartin
Banned
They would help Sony sell Playstation consoles. Or are you going to argue that TES or a new Fallout won't move consoles regardless of exclusivity? Would you argue that having TES as an exclusive would have been a massive move a year ago?
Honestly, the people who argue that MS would be coming out on top by giving away system sellers are Sony stans. I haven't seen a single argument that backs up the statement "they would leave money on the table". If this were the case, why is Sony keeping all their 10/10 exclusives to themselves? They could sell another 10 million on other platforms. Why is MS not releasing Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable or any of the other announced games on PS? Why are they still making timed exclusive deals with third party devs?
Doom Eternal is better than Doom 2016 in pretty much every way.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Remember when many people said this after the acquisition?
if you don't care, then why do you post in here? Sounds like you do care.
Besides Fallout 76, which Bethesda didn't just leave to die and have actually improved over time, which Bethesda games has fallen in quality lately? And fast?
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FrankWza
Member
That’s an if but yeah, I was just commenting on the poster and the difference between making first party games multiplat and keeping an acquisitions portfolio multiplat. My view is make exclusive because I’m interested in the ramifications I mentioned in this post.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I think they should keep them exclusive and also rub it in.
FrankWza
Member
Again, this is speculation. There is a big difference between MAKING first party games multiplat and KEEPING the portfolio you’ve acquired multiplat. Right?
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Thankfully, the companies are more mature than the players that are attacking each other over stuff like this.
I don't see how anyone thinks these won't be xbox exclusive, the whole of xbox's efforts lately have been about getting people into the ecosystem. Whether that's on xbox consoles, PC or mobile devices its about the ongoing income from gamepass, this is their play. So why on earth would they spend a shit ton of money and allow games elsewhere, going completely against all they are doing to bring people into the subscription model, it just makes zero sense.
DaGwaphics
Member
Not really, once the deal closes Zeni is MS first-party.
If you look at historical console market share since OG Xbox, they 100% will be leaving money on the table if the split stays comparable. The question is do they gain more than they leave on the table by going exclusive, and if not do they care if this is all part of a two (or more) console cycle plan.
Markio128
Member
I understand that Bethesda games can be buggy, and to be honest, I only see that particular issue getting worse, however, there is no disputing that TES games are thoroughly enjoyable and generally review very well. I’m just concerned that the motivation to provide such immense content will be lost if they become game pass only games. Don’t get me wrong, if the next Elder Scrolls game is as good or better than Skyrim, I’ll be happy to eat my words and jump on the game pass bandwagon
Derktron
Banned
....................Or just because Zenimax is first-party doesn't mean anything if and when we see the real deal where if games are only Xbox and PC or still stay the same.
Mitsuda Maniac
Member
Remember when many people said this after the acquisition?
if you don't care, then why do you post in here? Sounds like you do care.
It doesn't matter to me if they offer them for sale on PS5 or not. I had exactly zero desire to purchase Doom Eternal, Fallout '76, Dishonored Death of the Outsider, Rage 2, friggin Wolfenstein 2/Youngblood, Elder Scrolls Online/Skyrim Remastered. Bunch of mediocre games that fall in price less than 6 months of being released. If Bethesda happens to release a game I might actually like I will just buy it retail on my PC instead of renting it for the entire life of my Xbox console.
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RGB'D
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So how does this logic work with Insomniac? Every other Spiderman game was multiplat until their releases... while SONY does still currently maintain the rights, they don't own the IP. Yet the most recent games are SONY exclusive with no plans for other consoles. I think that there is no legal ramifications and it will be Microsoft's choice, just as Spiderman was for SONY.
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Forsythia
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They make way more money by getting more players in the ecosystem. By making Bethesda games exclusive they get more people in the ecosystem.
Kerotan
Member
They spent half that on Minecraft and it will never be exclusive.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
You're forgetting the bit where:Only fanboys denies that these games wont become exclusives.
It's not about gain the profit back from the Bethesda purchase, its a long term investment in havning enough exclusives to make people buy into the Xbox system.
Microsoft earn's plenty on Windows, and professional companies where they sell yearly office solutions for huge amounts of cash.
The price of Bethesda were pocket money from them.
If Microsoft purchased Bethesda to gain more money from them on all platforms, then we would've seen Halo, Gears, Forza on PlayStation as well.
Alas, it's still not to be found on PlayStation.
I still see this meme fits quite well even though its been like six months or so now?
1) Microsoft has owned Minecraft for years yet it is still available on PlayStation
2) Microsoft has repeatedly affirmed that they'd rather have people in the Xbox ecosystem (buying the games, gamepass etc) and aren't that fussed about the console sales themselves
Derktron
Banned
That is different it's a game well......never mind.
FrankWza
Member
Doesn’t change what I said and why it’s even debatable or open for interpretation.
DaGwaphics
Member
Not really the same kind of company or situation at all.
ManaByte
Gold Member
It wasn't exclusive when they bought it. I wasn't aware that Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI were already released.
FrankWza
Member
That’s a weird title for a new IP. Cant wait to play returnal 3 next month!
skit_data
Member
Personally -and this is not a joke- I havent been able to actually finish several of their games due to save file corruption/gamebreaking bugs. I really like the premise and aesthetic of the Fallout franchise so there are some aspects of quality, sure, but I do not attribute them to Bethesda as a developer.
I get your worries though, but as far as Ive read it seems like they will operate somewhat independantly compared to XGS, so hopefully they keep the qualities that they actually do posess intact.