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[diffusionx]

That’s just a patent, stupid clickbait article before the PS5 was even unveiled. Sony clearly said that you could use off-the-shelf drives, but only ones they “certify.” I don’t know what certification process is, or what steps they will take to stop people from just putting any piece of shit drive they find on Aliexpress in there... but that’s what they said.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Sony said proprietary expansion cards? Link to that?

I thought they were working with open market parts (those that are good enough)? I can totally see some kind of caddy, where you install the m.2 and then just slide the caddy in place, like what they do with the hdd. That, or the m.2 slot is positioned so that it's accessible via a hatch. I doubt they will make you disassemble the thing for the update.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Storage will be a none issue next gen.

I've heard it all before how X space wasn't enough and the only time it was an issue was with the 20gb Xbox 360. Then they released a bigger HDD and problem solved.

 

[reksveks]

That PS5 cartridge is a giant memory card and it sounds expensive

An update to Sony’s patent has offered new clues as to what the PS5’s mysterious cartridge is and it sounds like a propriety storage medium.

metro.co.uk

Ohh that I think was disproven by the following article: https://www.kitguru.net/gaming/joao...-is-for-sony-toio-a-game-system-for-children/

 

[TheContact]

Ohh that I think was disproven by the following article: https://www.kitguru.net/gaming/joao...-is-for-sony-toio-a-game-system-for-children/

Ah thanks for the correction, never saw that.

 

[reksveks]

Storage will be a none issue next gen.

I've heard it all before how X space wasn't enough and the only time it was an issue was with the 20gb Xbox 360. Then they released a bigger HDD and problem solved.

I could see it being an issue for people whom store multiple live service games or multi player games but for 95%, it’s not really an issue.

 

[ManaByte]

I could see it being an issue for people whom store multiple live service games or multi player games but for 95%, it’s not really an issue.

It wasn't much of an issue for me this gen, thanks to MS supporting up to 16TB in external storage. I have 12TB right now. Might replace my 4TB someday with another 8TB.

I still wish Sony supported more than 1 external HDD though. I have 1 4TB on there that always gets full.

But next gen is different. You have to run the games off the internal SSD.

 

[GlassAwful]

I won't be surprised if Sony drops the idea of addon SSDs and conveniently doesn't address it any further until a couple years from now when they randomly slip in an interview that they abandoned the concept a while back.

They will push using external drives to swap memory around and release larger iterations of PS5 as quickly as they can afford.

These drives have to be actively cooled to perform. MS concept allows this because they control the form factor and specs. Sony's method is either foolhardy or they will end up doing essentially the same thing anyway.

Not to mention there hasn't been a drive released yet that meets Sony's specs. That price is going to be a hard pill to swallow for years....

 

[splattered]

I won't be surprised if Sony drops the idea of addon SSDs and conveniently doesn't address it any further until a couple years from now when they randomly slip in an interview that they abandoned the concept a while back.

They will push using external drives to swap memory around and release larger iterations of PS5 as quickly as they can afford.

These drives have to be actively cooled to perform. MS concept allows this because they control the form factor and specs. Sony's method is either foolhardy or they will end up doing essentially the same thing anyway.

Not to mention there hasn't been a drive released yet that meets Sony's specs. That price is going to be a hard pill to swallow for years....

Well Sony traditionally releases new AAA first party games at a very slow rate and most Sony fans usually only buy Fifa, MLB, and COD so it will probably be fine for most PS5 owners to only be able to store a handful of titles on the console at a time because they will be constantly heading to Gamestop to flip annual titles like Fifa keeping hard drive utilization to a minimum.

 

[reksveks]

I won't be surprised if Sony drops the idea of addon SSDs and conveniently doesn't address it any further until a couple years from now when they randomly slip in an interview that they abandoned the concept a while back.

They will push using external drives to swap memory around and release larger iterations of PS5 as quickly as they can afford.

These drives have to be actively cooled to perform. MS concept allows this because they control the form factor and specs. Sony's method is either foolhardy or they will end up doing essentially the same thing anyway.

Not to mention there hasn't been a drive released yet that meets Sony's specs. That price is going to be a hard pill to swallow for years....

Definitely think the Microsoft solution is better than Sony’s here for most casual consumers in my opinion.

 

[NullZ3r0]

Yeah I really doubt Sony will let you just screw the drive right into the m.2 mount on the MOBO

Cerny already said there was a bay in the PS5 for these drives. So the drives will likely have an enclosure as well.

 

[The Alien]

I see people worried about this storage being proprietary. I get it....personally, I dont think it will be crazy $$$. It uses existing tech.

I would be more concerned about the PS5 storage solution. Whole it may not be proprietary, that tech will be more expensive...and individual drives will also need to be certified by Sony for use on the PS5.

 

[ManaByte]

I see people worried about this storage being proprietary. I get it....personally, I dont think it will be crazy $$$. It uses existing tech.

I would be more concerned about the PS5 storage solution. Whole it may not be proprietary, that tech will be more expensive...and individual drives will also need to be certified by Sony for use on the PS5.

Sony's solution has to be proprietary too.

 

[gamechanger87]

I see people worried about this storage being proprietary. I get it....personally, I dont think it will be crazy $$$. It uses existing tech.

I would be more concerned about the PS5 storage solution. Whole it may not be proprietary, that tech will be more expensive...and individual drives will also need to be certified by Sony for use on the PS5.

For real. Sony has said that an off the shelf NVME needs to be 7gb/s.

This is $200 and it still isn't fast enough and is only 1TB.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TLYWMYW/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[ManaByte]

For real. Sony has said that an off the shelf NVME needs to be 7gb/s.

This is $200 and it still isn't fast enough and is only 1TB.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TLYWMYW/?tag=neogaf0e-20

And there's no way Sony will let people give access to the board to plug one of those in. People will ESD fry their PS5s and it'd be RROD all over again.

 

[Magic Carpet]

It would be nice if Microsoft’s solution becomes an industry standard.
Also maybe ps5 could simply have the expansion ssd slot on the back of the console. No need to open anything just screw it down to the back, that would allow all kinds of sizes of ssd complete with any cooling needed.

 

[kikonawa]

Seagate Storage Expansion Card for Xbox Series X|S | Seagate US

Enhance Xbox Series X|S gaming with Seagate Storage Expansion Card: up to 2TB capacity and Xbox Velocity Architecture integration.

www.seagate.com

saw this on reddit, seems you can sign up for info about the expansion memory. 3 years warranty is pretty nice.

how much you guys think they will cost?

Probably somebodys mother

 

[MastaKiiLA]

The only SSDs of that speed are NMVe.

Do you even know what a NMVe SSD looks like? This is one:

Neither console manufacturer is going to let someone open their system and install one of those. It's a ESD disaster waiting to happen.

Instead both will have drives like these Seagate ones that you can plug into an expansion slot.

It isn't rocket science. A bay on the back, with a M2 slot in it. Inser the keyed end, and it slides into the slot. Close the door on the bay. They make USB enclosures that do this already. I got one for my Optane card, when I swapped it out for my 970 Evo Plus. If you can insert an HDMI, or USB cable, you can insert an NVME card. It might actually be easier than USB, since the keying is more obvious. It would be rather silly to require additional hardware for an OTS solution, given any added plastic is just going to further hinder the cooling. An M2-sized drive bay makes more sense.

 

[The Alien]

Sony's solution has to be proprietary too.

I could be wrong but I believe Sony mentioned the SSDs won't be proprietary. Sony will allow various manufacturer's drives with the caveat being that Sony would need to certify any of the drives for PS5 usage. So some, likely not all.

Proprietary or not, the tech itself (if it is that cutting edge), wont be cheap. I believe the 1Tb proprietary for Xbox will be cheaper than the 1Tb (or 825gb) Sony will use.

 

[ManaByte]

I could be wrong but I believe Sony mentioned the SSDs won't be proprietary. Sony will allow various manufacturer's drives with the caveat being that Sony would need to certify any of the drives for PS5 usage. So some, likely not all.

Proprietary or not, the tech itself (if it is that cutting edge), wont be cheap. I believe the 1Tb proprietary for Xbox will be cheaper than the 1Tb (or 825gb) Sony will use.

They just said they'd have to certify the SSDs. Meaning anyone can make one, but it's going to have to be to Sony's specs.

In reality they're probably just saying that to tempt Western Digital to make something like Seagate's and get that lucrative exclusivity deal.

 

[Zathalus]

The upcoming Samsung 980 PRO should be fast enough to get certified for the PS5. Or any of the upcoming Phison E18 based drives.

 

[Chiggs]

What do you mean by PS5 branded? The plan currently is for PS5 to use PC drives (as long as they pass certification)

Which, of course, means PS5-branded models. Which, of course, means price-gouging.

 

[gamechanger87]

The upcoming Samsung 980 PRO should be fast enough to get certified for the PS5. Or any of the upcoming Phison E18 based drives.

Isn't the 980 pro still capping at 6.5gb? That's still lower than the 7gb target set out.

 

[Zathalus]

Isn't the 980 pro still capping at 6.5gb? That's still lower than the 7gb target set out.

I thought the statement was they expected 7GB/s drives by year end, not that it was a requirement? That they would be doing compatibility testing with the various drives to test which would work best. But a number of 7GB/s drives are in the works, so I imagine PS5 owners won't be strapped for choice.

I do expect the Xbox drive to be cheaper though, even if it's propriety, as it's a much slower drive.

 

[gamechanger87]

I thought the statement was they expected 7GB/s drives by year end, not that it was a requirement? That they would be doing compatibility testing with the various drives to test which would work best. But a number of 7GB/s drives are in the works, so I imagine PS5 owners won't be strapped for choice.

I do expect the Xbox drive to be cheaper though, even if it's propriety, as it's a much slower drive.

Their SSD is customized thus it can run at 5.5 and be fine. Cerny stated that an off the shelf would need to be 7gb as the lack of customization needs the additional overhead