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Screw 4k?

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On pc 4K is pointless. I went from a 24” 1440p 60hz monitor to a 32” 4K 60Hz monitor and there was a difference in visual quality but small. of all The differences that monitor brought 4K was the smallest. a larger screen was nice and gsync was by far the biggest improvement. After a couple days I stopped caring about the small boost in clarity and not only that most of my games had worse performance. i can’t remember what card I had at the time but I went from being able to manage 60 or more FPS in games and was now playing some at 40-50fps with lowered settings.

I returned that 4K monitor and went with a 144hz 1440p gsync monitor. I couldn’t give up gsync and I felt 1440p was the sweet spot. and now if I wanted I could run games at 60-140fps. Even if I couldn’t manage 140fps in games then even if it ran at just 70-80fps I could do that.

for consoles…yeah get a 4K TV. I bought a 55” 4K 120Hz GSYNC tv. It’s overkill for consoles but I will be able to get the most out current gen hardware and even use the tv on my pc if I ever have the hardware to power 4K 120Hz.
 
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Hoddi

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That's really interesting news, I've been so sure that one day a 4k hdr tv would make my games look extra amazing lolll

Don't take this the wrong way because HDR is absolutely amazing. And going from 1080p to native 4k is also absolutely amazing.

But upscaling from 1440p to 4k? Hell no.
 

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It had to be said. 4k was a total waste of time. Unless you can get 4k with hz over 120 (which you can if you want to dump 1000+ on a screen), it's not worth it. Even if you do get the fancier monitors with 4k and high hz at the same time, im not sure if games or components would even be optimized for it?

I tried 4k for about 5 years. Couldn't wait to throw it the trash to get a 144hz 1440p screen. Now I can actually aim again in first person shooters and smoothly react to animations in combat games.

Two 👎👎 for 4k.
 
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It had to be said. 4k was a total waste of time. Unless you can get 4k with hz over 120 (which you can if you want to dump 1000+ on a screen), it's not worth it. Even if you do get the fancier monitors with 4k and high hz at the same time, im not sure if games or components would even be optimized for it?

I tried 4k for about 5 years. Couldn't wait to throw it the trash to get a 144hz 1440p screen. Now I can actually aim again in first person shooters and smoothly react to animations in combat games.

Two 👎👎 for 4k.
The funny thing about 4k is that it's skewed to gamers to make it take off.

Cable tv is mostly still 1080i, and in my area there's only a handful of 4k channels. So cable providers and tv studios making content dont seem to care. I can see a difference in 4k sports vs the normal HD channel, but I'd saying the difference is small. 4k vs. 1080p gaming is much more impactful.

And 4k UHD movies and media players havent taken off either like the old DVD or BR days. So for that part of entertainment, it seems the average person doesn't care about 4k tv/movies either or else everyone would have one and you'd have endless UHD movies. Most people seem fine streaming movies on NF at so-so quality depending on which tier someone buys.

It seems like it's up to gaming to carry the 4k torch into the future.
 
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Hoddi

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On pc 4K is pointless. I went from a 24” 1440p 60hz monitor to a 32” 4K 60Hz monitor and there was a difference in visual quality but small. of all The differences that monitor brought 4K was the smallest. a larger screen was nice and gsync was by far the biggest improvement. After a couple days I stopped caring about the small boost in clarity and not only that most of my games had worse performance. i can’t remember what card I had at the time but I went from being able to manage 60 or more FPS in games and was now playing some at 40-50fps with lowered settings.

I returned that 4K monitor and went with a 144hz 1440p gsync monitor. I couldn’t give up gsync and I felt 1440p was the sweet spot. and now if I wanted I could run games at 60-140fps. Even if I couldn’t manage 140fps in games then even if it ran at just 70-80fps I could do that.

for consoles…yeah get a 4K TV. I bought a 55” 4K 120Hz GSYNC tv. It’s overkill for consoles but I will be able to get the most out current gen hardware and even use the tv on my pc if I ever have the hardware to power 4K 120Hz.
It's been the exact opposite for me. I upgraded from 24" 1080p to 27" 1440p a few years ago and I thought it was basically a zero difference. I then bought a 27" 4k display a few weeks ago and it's been a massive improvement.

It still kinda feeds into the whole native resolution vs. upscaled resolution thing. As long as you're running at native 1080p (or downsampling from a higher res) then you'll get a fantastic image. The only thing that can ruin your image is when you're upscaling from a lower resolution. People often talk like 1080p is some dreadful low resolution when it absolutely isn't.
 

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Yes, once you hit high enough, the advantage converges towards a diminishing factor.

Scene detail and iq are far more important. Advances in reconstruction tech allow you to have your cake and eat it too.

Native rez will become less and less employed, instead the resources will go towards better visuals.
 
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VRR is nice and everything, but honestly for me? BFI on Bravia >> VRR. The way games looks on BFI takes me back to early days of gaming and the benefit is there all the time. Where as VRR? band aid to a badly optimized game. If the game is properly optimized, VRR is practically useless. Where as BFI? just always working. This whole VRR movement is more on these manufacturers forcing upgrades, tale as old as time. If I had the budget for both? sure why not right. If limited budget? High end Sony TV with proper BFI > VRR 120hz ANYDAY.
 

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I have a 4k tv with HDR (nice Samsung), and a 144hz 1440p gsync monitor (no HDR). I have tested both extensively with multiple games and I have come to the conclusion that native 4k is pointless. 1440p with DLSS 2.0 looks incredible on Control and other titles with raytracing turned on and the games run 60+ fps. Even if I just toggle between 1440p and 4k on my tv the noticeable difference is relatively minor and can be fixed with some decent AA. I will say, my 4k tv running a game at 1440p/HDR looks better than my 1440p monitor, which makes sense considering the massive price difference, but honestly, hitting that 100+ fps on the monitor with Gsync makes the game "Feel" better. Its hard to describe with words I guess.

IDK guys, I think stuff like RT, and high framerates make more sense than 4k 4k 4k. The performance drop from rendering games at a native 4k just isn't worth it for the slightly sharper image quality (which I can only barely tell is even there). IMO 1080p<<<<<<<<<1440p<4k.

Lastly, I really hope you console only people get to witness the absolute glory of HARDWARE Gsync/freesync in some of these new tvs. I am playing PC Days Gone on my 1440p monitor right now instead of the TV because of GSYNC. Playing on a regular tv and dealing with Vsync and screen tearing is just not an option for me anymore, which is a pity cuz my TV has much better colors and black levels.

Both my PC monitors are 1080P 240HZ monitors. 1440P is much nicer though but right now I'm happy. I play games, watch blu rays and do everything else on these monitors and love it. I find the quality of the monitor makes a considerable difference as well. My old 1440P monitor had pretty average color reproduction.
 

nkarafo

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Hey, fair enough, you are entitled to feel that way. But this is just the same thing, different day.

Memory Cards? Put a battery in the system to save games.

HDD? We have memory cards.

720p? 480p is fine and has been the standard forever and is in the most homes.

1080p? 720p is fine and we don't need that much resolution anyways.

Et cetera et cetera.

FPS is also a standard. And it used to be higher than it is now.
 

ZywyPL

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Until all the reconstruction techniques out there reach a certain, good level, 4K is the only guaranteed way to have a great picture quality on a 4K display.
 
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Armorian

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Until all the reconstruction techniques out there reach a certain, good level, 4K is the only guaranteed way to have a great picture quality on a 4K display.

DLSS is at that level, it's certainly better than native plus TAA - sadly we don't have better aa solution right now (ghosting everywhere...).
 

TonyK

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4k vs 1440p is the same for me than 60fps vs 30fps: you notice the difference when switching between them, but not when you're extensively playing.

So 4k 30fps is equally valid than 1440p 60fps when you are immersed in the game and not comparing modes.
 

Croatoan

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4k vs 1440p is the same for me than 60fps vs 30fps: you notice the difference when switching between them, but not when you're extensively playing.

So 4k 30fps is equally valid than 1440p 60fps when you are immersed in the game and not comparing modes.
Couldn't disagree more. Framerate is King. I cant play anything lower than 60fps.
 
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Reizo Ryuu

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We say this everytime a new standard becomes a standard.... Every. Single. Time.
I don't think that's a really good argument, with resolution you are just going to hit diminishing returns to the point of not even seeing a difference anymore, when it gets high enough.
Going from 360p to 1080p is a massive leap in clarity, 1080p to UHD is pretty good too, but not as impactful as the former, to the point where picking 1080p120 over UHD30 is perfectly reasonable.

By the time we can do UHD120, without any visual setting downgrades, 8K will be the "new standard"; at that point it's going to be really hard to tell the difference, unless you've got a massive screen.
I've seen 8K footage on an 80" 8K tv and it was pretty much like looking through a window, but I'd be difficult to say how much better it looks than UHD/5K footage on a 50" UHD TV.
 

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hey 4k!
 
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I don't think that's a really good argument, with resolution you are just going to hit diminishing returns to the point of not even seeing a difference anymore, when it gets high enough.
Going from 360p to 1080p is a massive leap in clarity, 1080p to UHD is pretty good too, but not as impactful as the former, to the point where picking 1080p120 over UHD30 is perfectly reasonable.

By the time we can do UHD120, without any visual setting downgrades, 8K will be the "new standard"; at that point it's going to be really hard to tell the difference, unless you've got a massive screen.
I've seen 8K footage on an 80" 8K tv and it was pretty much like looking through a window, but I'd be difficult to say how much better it looks than UHD/5K footage on a 50" UHD TV.
But it's an imaginary problem for the OP. Playing on PC you have nothing but choice. You don't have to sacrifice framerate for resolution. Consoles are almost all offering the same choice too. Having 4k as a baseline option for textures and resolution will just help them age better as time goes on. And especially because the OP mentions PC, it'll be even less of an issue going forward as new cards drop.
 
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"640( by 480) ought to be enough for anybody" -Bill Gates
 
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TonyK

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Couldn't disagree more. Framerate is King. I cant play anything lower than 60fps.
30 fps is fine for me. I prefer 60, of course, but not at the cost of downgrading graphics.

For me to say you can't play anything lower than 60fps sounds so extreme as not playing anything below 4k. Y prefer 4k, but I can play at lower resolutions. I prefer 60fps, but I can play at 30.
 

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I disagree. I tried playing Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart on Performance RT mode and the downgrade in resolution made a huge difference for me. It was much less detailed, especially stuff in the distance like leaves, grass and other fine elements. It looks MUUUUUUCH better in 4K.

However, I'm using a 4K monitor so the resolution difference is immediately noticeable. I had to switch back to Fidelity mode as I think the high resolution is much more preferable over high frame rate.
 

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I have my PC plugged into a 55" 8k TV. I usually game at 4k (RTX3090) but play some easier to run titles or games with DLSS @ 8k. It looks amazingly sharp. About as much step up going from 1440p to 4k.
I can't imagine going back to a blurred 1080p or 1440p to play games.
 
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