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Samsung 980 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD Pricing

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At these prices, I'm going to pass at the beginning and test out how good and fast SSD/HDD swapping is.

If it works well, I'll skip the SSD add-on till it's cheap.
 
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I'm kind of tempted. Win 10 will load fast than shit exiting my body after taco night. But it's also time to replace my monitor that has started to act up. Perhaps the 512 one will have to do, if any.
 
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Yeah, but speed on XSX is few times less and Pro 980 isn't compatible with XSX. And those mainstream Nvme drives prices will go down when Sabrent, Kingston, Crucial announced theirs. Sabrent are cheaper than Samsungs and they have faster SSD i think.

When is Kingston and Crucial going to annouce their new SSDs?
 

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Definitely, yeah. It is however a good amount cheaper.
I imagine you know this but I looked it up for myself & others: $629 RRP for the 1TB 970 Pro, but currently selling for $313 on Newegg.
I haven't looked at relative endurances yet, but I assume there is a rather large gap?

What does this leave in the EVO line? QLC? They better make that cheap as chips, because the QVO/QLC line has been lacklustre in price & performance.
The write endurance of the 1TB 970 Pro is 1,200 TB. The write endurance of this new 1TB 980 Pro is only half of that at 600TB.

MLC was the big differentiator for the Pro line. If it's not MLC, then why not just buy an EVO or a TLC drive from a different brand?

Anandtech has a review of this new 980 Pro.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16087/the-samsung-980-pro-pcie-4-ssd-review

"In many ways, this drive could have easily been labeled the 980 EVO as a replacement for the 970 EVO Plus. Along with switching to TLC NAND, Samsung has cut the write endurance ratings in half to 0.3 DWPD and dropped the usable capacities down to the typical TLC/EVO levels of 250/500/1000 GB instead of 256/512/1024 GB. TLC means the 980 PRO now relies on SLC caching for its peak write speeds, and write performance will drop substantially if the SLC cache is ever filled. However, Samsung has offset this by configuring the 980 PRO to use substantially larger SLC cache sizes than their previous EVO drives, and this is what will give it the Pro name more than anything else.. MSRPs are also now much lower, and comparable to other TLC-based PCIe 4 SSDs."
 
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Yeah, but speed on XSX is few times less and Pro 980 isn't compatible with XSX. And those mainstream Nvme drives prices will go down when Sabrent, Kingston, Crucial announced theirs. Sabrent are cheaper than Samsungs and they have faster SSD i think.

The question is also will that drive physically fit inside of the PS5?
Look at the Heatsink on the drive, it looks pretty thick.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...releases-the-rocket-4-plus-pcie-4-0-nvme-ssd/

https://www.sabrent.com/rocket-4-plus/
 

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The question is also will that drive physically fit inside of the PS5?
Look at the Heatsink on the drive, it looks pretty thick.

The dev machines I built for the office all have gen 4 NVME drives (sabrent or gigabyte-aorus) in them and I do not use the heatsinks that come with the drives. I use thermal pads in combination with each motherboards cooling setup. These large heatsinks (in my exp) are not necessary for the Gen 4 drives. I do NOT have a SabrentR+ or the new Samsung drive yet, but I do not expect them (thermally) to be any different given the speeds the new drives are showing compared to what is available currently (Aorus, Sabrent ,etc).

I do not know this for sure, but I would expect there to be a metal heatsink with thermal pad cover over the expansion bay in the PS5 all most all pcb manufactures are including these with mobo's now.
 
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RAID was mentioned earlier...

I wonder if Sony could allow for slightly slower 1TB drives than they currently demand - and then configure the system to work with the onboard storage in RAID 0 configuration to halve the load on that drive?
 

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The dev machines I built for the office all have gen 4 NVME drives (sabrent or gigabyte-aorus) in them and I do not use the heatsinks that come with the drives. I use thermal pads in combination with each motherboards cooling setup. These large heatsinks (in my exp) are not necessary for the Gen 4 drives. I do NOT have a SabrentR+ or the new Samsung drive yet, but I do not expect them (thermally) to be any different given the speeds the new drives are showing compared to what is available currently (Aorus, Sabrent ,etc).

I do not know this for sure, but I would expect there to be a metal heatsink with thermal pad cover over the expansion bay in the PS5 all most all pcb manufactures are including these with mobo's now.
I wonder if they will include something like that or just say "use what came with your nvme drive"?
That might cause problems for people trying to buy a drive for their PS5. Unless Sony also takes the included heatsink into consideration (along with speed) when determining if a drive is "compatible" or not.

I don't have any pcie 4.0 drives, but I imagine they'd get even hotter unless adequately cooled. Even my slow 2TB pcie 3.0 nvme gets pretty toasty in the aluminum external usb case I have it in.
 

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The question is also will that drive physically fit inside of the PS5?
Look at the Heatsink on the drive, it looks pretty thick.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...releases-the-rocket-4-plus-pcie-4-0-nvme-ssd/

https://www.sabrent.com/rocket-4-plus/

I think it will. Because during CES this year Samsung advertised this 980 Pro SSD as compatible with next-gen console. With speed like that, yeah, only PS5 should be consider :




 

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Wonder what? The price of the Samsung SSD has nothing to do with PS5 price and cost. The PS5 is using a custom solution. It isn't as fast as the Samsung SSD.

Just in general how much the warehouse cost is. You'd think it has to be at least $70 right?
 

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RAID was mentioned earlier...

I wonder if Sony could allow for slightly slower 1TB drives than they currently demand - and then configure the system to work with the onboard storage in RAID 0 configuration to halve the load on that drive?
Adds a layer of complexity to console ownership that isn't worth the effort of implementation.

Its much easier to stick to a certain specs and make it easy for the leyman (which represent the overwhelming majority of console owners) to purchase something that works.
 
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No, that's not how any of this works. They won't be fine.
maybe on ps5 but on pc ...
for now look at queue depth of games
it's old but it's still the current state there
 
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Just opened the beginning of this topic where people are in shock that SSD will cost half of the price of PS5 and XSX.

Chip shortage and scalpers solved this issue for all of us. It's not half of the price of the console anymore.
 
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Everywhere. I saw price drops at Microcenter, Amazon and Bestbuy. Was gonna head down to microcenter to get them to price match since i bought it last week.
Okay. I've been tracking prices for the past week or so and they've been around $200 still.
 

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I picked up a 980 Pro 500GB for my new build for $120 back in March, the priced will go back down soon I believe, and look for sales. You can get the 500GB for $130 right now.
 
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I picked up a 980 Pro 500GB for my new build for $120 back in March, the priced will go back down soon I believe, and look for sales. You can get the 500GB for #130 right now.
You have more disks than 500GB? Because half is basically windows on it.
 

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You have more disks than 500GB? Because half is basically windows on it.
I'm using the Primary NVME slot for only the OS and No Man's Sky, but 5 months into regular use and I'm only using 150GB of it. The other slot has a WD SN850, it's a fantastic drive, would recommend both, and the rest of my storage is SATA SSD's and one mechanical. Having the OS on that 980Pro makes EVERYTHING faster.
 
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One thing that's kinda cool is that because I am have a 4-year old mobo chipset, I'm capped at PCIe 3.0 and those drives at 2TB are priced very nicely now.
 
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2TB feels more worth it in the long run.
I was able to purchase a 7GB/s 1TB SSD for $140 so I could not pass on that deal. For the long term, I will be investing in a 2 - 4TB gen3 SSD for cold storage when the price drops low enough. In total I will have 1.6TB internal storage for PS5 games and 2 - 4TB external for PS4 and cold storage for PS5 games.
 
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For those of us who are dumb, will this work with the PS5 I/O-whatever that people talk about when referencing PS5 speed? And is this in addition to or replacing the onboard storage?
 
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For those of us who are dumb, will this work with the PS5 I/O-whatever that people talk about when referencing PS5 speed? And is this in addition to or replacing the onboard storage?
Yes, ALL PCIE 4.0 SSDs will work with the PS5 I/O. There isnt even a speed limit but 5.5 GBps or above is recommended by Sony. This is a 7.0 GBps SSD so very popular.

This is in addition to the onboard storage. You cannot replace the onboard storage since its soldered on the mobo.