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Russia Allegedly Developing Its Own Unreal Engine 5 Competitor

Urban

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hlm666

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Wouldn't they just borrow what they want from unreal and unity? They wouldn't make it from the ground up when there is good source code just sitting out there.
 

PhaseJump

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I watched Fox news during the election for a new president.....never never ever again! Fox make me to trow up. I trust CNN news more than does idiots at Fox news.

CNN is just as bad as Fox or MSNBC, you get crazy and full of shit, hyperbolic judgements from talking heads that are there as "experts" on various topics. Half of them are pushing book sales and taking facts out of context. If you want American news that isn't garbage, lean more towards PBS coverage. I'm Canadian, where if you disagree with the government, they will now take away your property and bank accounts. That precedent has been set by the bobblehead goblin queen Freeland under Trudeau.

The only thing I respect about Fox News is that their clear, retarded bias has given a platform to inform people about the borderline tyranny of my own government, which is not held to account anymore by any news outlet in Canada since they have basically created a slush fund of taxpayer money to payroll the media, and now they are imposing a licensing mechanism on the journalists to certify them. They are looking to pass censorship laws over youtube which would boost government sanctioned content and punish those they deem to have "unacceptable views"


The world is a clown show.
 

ANDS

Thought gaf was racist. Now knows better, honorary gaffer 2022
It will be, when whatever Russian company developing the tech starts selling it to the world?

No. Again, this isn't about someone saying "Why doesn't UE or Unity have any real competition in the game engine space?!" It's "Fuck these fucking sanctions from those fuckity fucks in Washington!"
 

Holammer

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There's a self-sufficiency craze in Russia that's been going on since the 2014 invasion of Crimea.
Mainly centered around food security, but also in other fields. However, they are slowly understanding it's impossible to go full Juche.
That won't stop shysters from promising development of a Russian Facebook equivalent or tractors to earn some money from government grants or investors. Of course someone will discuss the possibility of making their own game engines in such a climate, maybe even attempt it, even if the result is worse than TempleOS.

Article does not mention it, but a I bet a contributing factor for the government even talking about it is Tim Sweeney's support of Ukraine and how they raised 144m dollars with a Fortnite fundraiser.
 

Zoanoid33

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Isn't the Arma 3 engine Russian? The mods for it like PUBG and DayZ were pretty innovative at the time even tho they ran and looked like crap.
Still baffles me no western dev has thrown money at a DayZ clone. There is a reason why people are hyped for The Day Before even tho something is very fishy about that game.
 
But which one has the hotter anchors?
I dont care about anchors i only care about unbiased and news without a clear agenda. The only problem i have with CNN the constant commercials during the news.

I live in the Netherlands and the commercials are never during the news always before and after. Years ago before the commercial broadcasters almost toke over my tv you had even never a commercials in a program ore during a movie.
But now after 15-20 min your get a commercial block, and i hate it. But its luckely not so bad as in the USA.....
 
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CamHostage

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Isn't the Arma 3 engine Russian?

Don't think so? Bohemia Interactive is based in Czechia, as far as I can tell there's not a development office in Russia.

I just wish journalists stopped writing deceitful headlines. From the original source:

  • They talked with Russian developers about such possibility, so there's nothing being developed yet
  • They mention Unity and Unreal as examples of what is most often used by developers, no mentions of "competitor to Unreal 5"
  • They raise a lot of questions about GPU support, training, funding and other issues that need to be taken into account before such project is realized

GAF too, mate; these things sometimes just run beyond the source material (especially if there's jokes to make.) It's hard to stop the conversation from running away, but I appreciate your clarification.
 
RG5 (Real Gulag 5). Apparently, you’ll actually believe that you're in the gulag, no. Really, you’ll be there, the engine opens up a portal and instantly transports you to Siberia, pick axe and all.
 
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The Russians are stuck either way... Xbox and PlayStation consoles and services aren't available in Russia now... They only have Steam client, not much revenue for the Russian devs.

Nvidia and AMD won't optimize their games... They now have less PC hardware support, Windows also ended their support in Russia. I guess those 5 Linux gamers will be excited with native support.
 
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Russia is not in the forefront of tech and engine development, even if feel like it's a matter of making the decision to be, doesn't really work that way and unreal engine took years of investment, licencing and support to get where they are now.

I wonder where they'll get with no clients.
 

assurdum

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Russia has became a parody of itself. This stupid paranoic old man on the lead from decades wasn't enough happy to have paralised the economy for years, now screw literally everything of the technology progress with his stupid war.
 
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Good. Sanctions will be lifted at some point and competition is always welcome. Too many quasi monopolies in the gaming and hardware space.

Unreal Engine's source code is public so all they're doing is pirating the whole thing because Epic has no means to enforce IP protection on a rogue state.



As for the sanctions being eventually lifted, I applaud the conviction that Russia is ever going to stay a sovereign country in the long term. Regardless of the outcome of the war in Ukraine, the harm is done and we'll see regions/oblasts pushing for independence which they'll eventually achieve, due to the russian government becoming an international pariah.
It's a lot better than the alternative of becoming a vassal state to the chinese communist party, like North Korea.
 
Regardless of the outcome of the war in Ukraine, the harm is done and we'll see regions/oblasts pushing for independence which they'll eventually achieve, due to the russian government becoming an international pariah.
It's a lot better than the alternative of becoming a vassal state to the chinese communist party, like North Korea.
Not sure where you're from, but from a Western perspective a multitude of instable baby nations armed with 4600 nukes isn't exactly a good outcome. The most important step would be to disarm Russia of its nuclear arsenal. And even then, I'm not sure if a united Russia wouldn't be a better partner of the West. Russia needs to become part of NATO.
 

Amiga

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They could use U5/Source and every engine available and just ignore licensing. They wouldn't have technical support though.
 
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Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
They could use U5/Source and every engine available and just ignore licensing. They wouldn't have technical support though.
And the devs using the pirate engine would only be able to publish PC versions on nefarious sites and console versions wouldnt exist.
All that work to sell one copy that everyone then just pirates cuz there is no secure way to buy the game?
Sounds like a plan.
 

Elysion

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The cope here about Russia is really something. There will be no Russian collapse; it will be easier for Russia to find replacements for western consumer products than it will be for the west to replace the missing Russian oil, gas, grain and fertilizer. If anything, countries like Germany are much more likely to experience an economic collapse, since their industry simply can’t survive without cheap Russian energy, and their political class has been pursuing retarded anti-nuclear energy policies for the last few decades.

Anyway, I wouldn’t underestimate Russia’s tech sector. Russia is one of the few countries in the world with their own domestic competitors to US giants like Facebook or Google. The EU tech sector in comparison is a joke, if it even exists in the first place.
 

Amiga

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And the devs using the pirate engine would only be able to publish PC versions on nefarious sites and console versions wouldnt exist.
All that work to sell one copy that everyone then just pirates cuz there is no secure way to buy the game?
Sounds like a plan.
That's the only option now for the Russian gaming industry anyway. might as well develop their own store. They opened piracy wide and that would kill even a local game development industry. media based industry isn't viable for them without IP protections.
 

Omali

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After spending half of their GDP on creating this engine, all the programmers will have to show for it is the licensing information 70% stripped out of the Unity engine code, six hundred grand in store bought assets, and the rest funneled into several Cayman Islands bank accounts as the lead execs announce their sudden retirement.
 

winjer

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The cope here about Russia is really something. There will be no Russian collapse; it will be easier for Russia to find replacements for western consumer products than it will be for the west to replace the missing Russian oil, gas, grain and fertilizer. If anything, countries like Germany are much more likely to experience an economic collapse, since their industry simply can’t survive without cheap Russian energy, and their political class has been pursuing retarded anti-nuclear energy policies for the last few decades.

Anyway, I wouldn’t underestimate Russia’s tech sector. Russia is one of the few countries in the world with their own domestic competitors to US giants like Facebook or Google. The EU tech sector in comparison is a joke, if it even exists in the first place.

LOL. Russia can't even make 28nm products, let alone anything close to what Samsung and TSMC are doing now.
Almost every CPU Russia has made in it's whole history has either been very weak, or a copy of western CPU's.

The Russian tech sector is a joke. Just because it has a handful of social media companies and a search engine, doesn't mean it can do much.
It produces no hardware, and without it, software will start to lag more and more.

Maybe Russia can get some hardware from China. But they are several generations behind. And with the ban on ASML products, this gap will increase a lot.

Fertilizers, oil gas and grain are commodities, and other countries will take advantage to fill Russia's market share.
And good luck to Russia in making parts for all the machinery require to extract oil and gas. The tractors for agriculture. Etc.
Seriously, Russia can't even make the most basic chips to put in cars. So they now have to make crap like Ladas from the 70´s.

Might I remind you that the Russian government is considering suing the makers of the S300 and S400, because these can't do much against western rockets.
The mighty S300 and S400, some of the most advanced and best tech Russia can produce, is in fact just worthless against modern weapons.
It's probably good enough to fight some third world country, but not much more.
 
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Russia needs to become part of NATO.
That's a horrible idea.

NATO, like United Nations, European Union and other international devices are crippled by the single estate veto systems.

We've seen it in place with Turkey threatening to block/veto Sweden and Finland NATO membership. Meanwhile Russia was using their interventions at the UN to spread disinformation as news internally, which is why they didn't care about how flat their speeches were coming out against people in the room that know what is going out.

I'm sure Russia would be stoked to be able to be part of any organization on the planet. But not for good reasons, their interest is being in the room and influencing/helping their interests as much as possible.

United Nations Security Council veto power​

Since 1992, Russia has been the most frequent user of the veto, followed by the United States and China. France and the United Kingdom have not used the veto since 1989.

As of May 2022, Russia/USSR has used its veto 121 times, the US 82 times, the UK 29 times, China 17 times, and France 16 times.
Russian vetoes became more common in the early 21st century to block resolutions on conflicts with Russian military involvement, including Georgia, Syria and Ukraine.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power
 

winjer

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That's a horrible idea.

NATO, like United Nations, European Union and other international devices are crippled by the single estate veto systems.

We've seen it in place with Turkey threatening to block/veto Sweden and Finland NATO membership. Meanwhile Russia was using their interventions at the UN to spread disinformation as news internally, which is why they didn't care about how flat their speeches were coming out against people in the room that know what is going out.

I'm sure Russia would be stoked to be able to be part of any organization on the planet. But not for good reasons, their interest is being in the room and influencing/helping their interests as much as possible.



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power

Actually, Russia did make it's candidacy to join Nato in 1954. Probably for that exact reason.
 
Actually, Russia did make it's candidacy to join Nato in 1954. Probably for that exact reason.
Didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me.

NATO would be useless for Sweden, Finland and Ukraine if Russia was there already.
Fertilizers, oil gas and grain are commodities, and other countries will take advantage to fill Russia's market share.
Apart from grain those are all sectors that are still very important but we should he phasing out due to their CO2 footprint anyway. Grain is also not sustainable to the soils and uses their fertilizers, but we can't phase it out, we can just plant it elsewhere in a more sustainable manner, which we should anyway.

Russian Fertilizers are not state of the art and should have been effectively banned decades ago. They are making the black sea into poisonous soup (creating huge dead areas where no life can thrive) and we really don't want them anywhere else or we'll have a big problem in the coming decades. Russian industry as we know barely adapts so there have been articles stating that the russian fertilizer ban could speed up transitions we actually need (for more sustainable fertilizers who are more expensive but leagues better when it comes to the actual price we'll pay down the line)

Oil and gas I don't need to elaborate. Every prediction of the CO2 effects in the atmosphere is being broken for the worst, so every "best case scenario" is not going to happen, we're only dealing with worst case scenarios or worse at this point. 2050 is our real deadline, not 2100. And we're not being serious enough about it. any year we don't decrease CO2 from now on is going to cost us, and cost life on the planet.
 
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winjer

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Didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me.

NATO would be useless for Sweden, Finland and Ukraine if Russia was there already.

Apart from grain those are all sectors that are still very important but are finite and not sustainable.

Russian Fertilizers are not state of the art and should have been effectively banned decades ago. They are making the black sea into poisonous soup (creating huge dead areas where no life can thrive) and we really don't want them anywhere else or we'll have a big problem in the coming decades. Russian industry as we know barely adapts so there have been articles stating that the russian fertilizer ban could speed up transitions we actually need (the other more sustainable fertilizers are not expensive but leagues better when it comes to price we'll pay down the line)

Oil and gas I don't need to elaborate. Every prediction of the CO2 effects in the atmosphere is being broken for the worst, so every "best case scenario" is not going to happen, we're only dealing with worst case scenarios or worse at this point. 2050 is our real deadline, not 2100. And we're not being serious enough about it. any year we don't decrease CO2 from now on is going to cost us, and cost life on the planet.

The Russian's import of oil and gas has had 2 major consequences. For one, several deals and pipelines are being built with countries that compete with Russia in selling oil and gas.
The other is that there is a bigger investment in renewable tech. So targets that were being made for 2050 or later, are being pushed into 2030-2040. So the switch from gas and oil will happen sooner.
Just this week I saw the news of new solar panels with near 50% efficiency, being developed. And with more money being thrown at these companies, both from states and from private investors, getting this tech to market will happen faster.

And you are absolutely right about Germany and nuclear. It has to be one of the dumbest decision Germany has ever done. And betting all on Russian gas.
 
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Elysion

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The mighty S300 and S400, some of the most advanced and best tech Russia can produce, is in fact just worthless against modern weapons.
It's probably good enough to fight some third world country, but not much more.

Does ‘third world countries’ include Ukraine? Because that’s who Russia is currently fighting. People don’t seem to be aware of it, but Ukraine actually has the biggest land army in Europe (except for Russia) by far. And they’re well equipped too, having received US arms before and during the current war. I doubt there’s any European country that could’ve beaten the Ukrainian army in a conventional war. And not only that, but the Russian forces in Ukraine are actually outnumbered by the Ukrainians. This isn’t Iraq or Afghanistan; Ukraine’s military is far beyond anything the US has fought in the last 50 years.
 

radewagon

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It will be, when whatever Russian company developing the tech starts selling it to the world?
I really doubt it. Unfortunately, Russia does not seem like it's going to end its attack on Ukraine any time soon (ever?), so sanctions are going to continue for quite some time. With those sanctions in place, it will be very hard for any major player in the game sphere to license Russia's game engine for games sold outside of Russia. Additionally, there will be other concerns that will make the engine basically unusable.
  • Backdoors and spyware: Even if there are none (spoiler: there will be), governments may try to restrict the sale of products using the engine out of fear that such software could be used maliciously by the Russian government.
  • Quality and support: Dealing with a government in order to get support for your game development is something that game devs probably don't want to deal with.
  • Public relations: Even if sanctions go away, the negative perception of working with the Russian government will be instant bad press that a game dev won't want to deal with.
  • Censorship: There is a high possibility that devs that use the engine will be asked to censor content at the behest of the Russian government. Again, not a certainty, but why would a dev want to deal with it?
I'm sure there are other reasons. This engine will never be able to offer any sort of realistic competition. There will be no reason for a dev to want to walk into potentially difficult situation so early on in development when it would be easier to use one of the many other available options. This engine will be used for Russian game development and it will help to create games with lots of pro-Russian sentiment and not much else.
 

yurinka

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This really isn't about "competition" though.
Yes, it is.

Unreal has almost a monopoly for AAA games and for political reasons Epic is banning the companies of a country, which means they need to do their own engine to be able to compete in the gaming market.

Nothing will be developed. Game engines take a lot of effort time and knowledge.
There are a ton of super talented game developers, programmers and hackers in Russia, plus in a ton of countries that aren't blocking Russia like China or India. And as a game programmer I can tell you you don't need to be a genious to make a game engine. A big percent of game programmers can make you a game engine.

A different thing is to make a game engine with all the featureset and tools that UE5 has including stuff like Nanite or Lumen. This is a different thing because it would need a shit ton of money, time and manpower. Adding a shit ton of money it could be done but it would take many years, but the sanctions would be over pretty likely way before that once the war ends next year or so, or once the sanctions destroy the non Russia EU countries too much to a point they decide to remove them (the sanctions are damaging way more the EU than Russia).

But after causing this against Russia with Ukraine, USA will cause a similar thing against China with Taiwan. So USA and its minions like EU will block China and its 'allies' like Russia again. So I think that in their side is smart to build all the technology they may need in all areas to don't depend on NA/EU products or services.

And well, UE provides its source code and Russia allows the piracy of products from the countries that are putting them sanctions, meaning they could shamesly copy and paste the UE engine and make some minor changes to say it's different.

How would this engine take on Unreal, Unity, Cry, Unigine in its first iteration with literally no community support?
I assume that in addition to the devs from Russia people from a ton of other countries (outside the few ones who put sanctions to Russia, that are basically NA, EU, Australia, Japan and not sure if a few more) would use it if good enough.

There are a shit ton of developers in countries like China, India and many countries from Asia and LATAM.
 
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Not sure where you're from, but from a Western perspective a multitude of instable baby nations armed with 4600 nukes isn't exactly a good outcome. The most important step would be to disarm Russia of its nuclear arsenal. And even then, I'm not sure if a united Russia wouldn't be a better partner of the West. Russia needs to become part of NATO.
Let's all the nukes to piece of shits like Biden, Pelosi, Deep state, Obamda, Bush family etc so they can threaten everyone that doesn't want to carry water for their terror Regime into submission and the population that support everything because they are blind and idiots who eat whatever the media feed them.
 

ANDS

Thought gaf was racist. Now knows better, honorary gaffer 2022
Yes, it is.

Unreal has almost a monopoly for AAA games and for political reasons Epic is banning the companies of a country, which means they need to do their own engine to be able to compete in the gaming market.

Absent the abhorrent invasion of another country under completely made-up pretext, this "project" wouldn't be a thing. "Compete" is not "Competition" as they both have very different origins.

. . .and as someone mentioned, even if this ever gets completed literally no company of any repute would use it and any products that use it would likely get no traction in actual monied markets.

Let's all the nukes to piece of shits like Biden, Pelosi, Deep state, Obamda, Bush family etc so they can threaten everyone that doesn't want to carry water for their terror Regime into submission and the population that support everything because they are blind and idiots who eat whatever the media feed them.

. . .these are certainly words.
 
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Anyway, I wouldn’t underestimate Russia’s tech sector. Russia is one of the few countries in the world with their own domestic competitors to US giants like Facebook or Google. The EU tech sector in comparison is a joke, if it even exists in the first place.
(X) Doubt

German IT revenue (in Billion USD:

Source: https://www.trade.gov/country-comme...information-and-communications-technology-ict

Russian IT revenue 2013 - 2020 (1.75 trillion rubles is around 30 Billion USD):

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1031997/russian-it-companies-sales/
 
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yurinka

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Absent the abhorrent invasion of another country under completely made-up pretext, this "project" wouldn't be a thing. "Compete" is not "Competition" as they both have very different origins.
Gamedevs from Russia aren't to blame for any war. This project exist because USA put sanctions to Russia and blocked them for using the game engine that practically have a monopoly in development of AAA games, so it's perfectly understandable that they now will have their own AAA game engine to continue working.

The sanctions and war exist because according to what publicly said top USA staff from government, military and intel agencies plus the USA embassy in Ukraine the USA forced a coup d'etat in Ukraine put a lot of nationalist antirussian propaganda and trained and armed for many years their military and militias -including the publicly self declared nazi ones- to bully and kil the more Russian friendly part of Ukraine (in terms of culture/language/etnicity/etc), as a provocation to make Russia enter that civil war to defend them and then use it as excuse to block economically Russia from the USA allied countries (mostly NA and EU), the main reason being USA being worried because China and their BRICS allies are challenging USA as worldwide leaders and now the world is becoming multipolar.

Abhorrent invasion of countries have nothing to do with that, because in that case our USA/NATO countries would be the most sanctioned and isolated countries in the world because of invasions/wars and related (directly+indirectly) millions of deaths in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Irak, Libia, Siria and a long etc. done to mostly loot their resources as only and main reason.

I think it woudn't be fair to sanction the gamedevs from USA/NATO countries for these wars (made to basically make the energy and military industries from USA richer) in the same way I think it isn't fair to sanction the Russian gamedevs for the Ukraine war.
 
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