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Rumor: PS Phone to be called 'Xperia Play'. To hit shops in April [Update Post 108]

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magicaltrevor

Banned
If the specs are as horrible as rumored, I'll skip this one. In a leaked video, they did some benchmarks and it was very obvious the performance sucked. Just like all other Xperia phones, basically.

I'll just stick with my Galaxy S for now, thank you very much.
 
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thetrin

Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Hahaha, oh man. SCE already sees it as a potential failure, so they don't even offer the brand.

I'll wait for PSP2.
 
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seady

Member
PSGames said:
I dunno man. If someone is looking for an Android phone why wouldn't they get this one if it's reasonably priced and has better gaming than the alternatives?

Plus I'm sure they'll make it so PSPhone games can be easily ported to the PSP2 so developers essentially have 2 markets they can hit with their titles.
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I agree.
But it really depends on how they spread the brand to multiple lines of phones. If the penetration rate is high and eventually a lot of phones (branded Xperia Play or whatever) have access to the Playstation Store, it will help their online store business a lot.

I for one would love to play my PSN (PSN, PSone classic, PSP) games on my phones, with buttons.

Even if it fails, it will not be the problem of the hardware, but the problem of marketing. I don't understand why people here write it off so prematurely. Xperia line of phones are selling very well and it's one of the top Android phones out there. People here seem to know only the iPhone existed.

And about the name, Apple didn't have to call their phone the "iPod Phone" to make iPhone relevant. Why do we want Sony to call their phone "Playstation Xperia Phone" or whatever?
 
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Firestorm

Member
Am I the only one getting the vibe that most of the people in this topic have no idea about the mobile market? With the X10, the Xperia is a pretty decently known brand when it comes to Android phones...

I don't care about this though. I just want them to reveal the X7 as real :(
 
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flyinpiranha

Member
2011 Top Wished For Items - Christmas

Xperia Play
Jungle
PSP2

I just don't get it honestly, I mean, you'd think that they'd want to USE the PS brand to push this.
 
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jonnybryce

Member
Firestorm said:
Am I the only one getting the vibe that most of the people in this topic have no idea about the mobile market? With the X10, the Xperia is a pretty decently known brand when it comes to Android phones...

I don't care about this though. I just want them to reveal the X7 as real :(
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I'm not sure about sales performance but most people that are active online have expressed they don't like SE. Bloggers and reviewers, too. The software isn't good enough to justify the delay in OS updates and their flagship is messy with the exclusion of the search key(something loved and pretty essential for Android operation) and missing/hacky multitouch.

This stood a chance if it was top of the line, promoted like hell as the Playstation phone, ran stock Android and was available on multiple networks like the Galaxy phones. Instead it's already extremely outdated, it's very ugly and bulky, virtually guaranteed to be exclusively AT&T bound and is going to be just another SE phone. SE has already said there are other game capable phones in the pipeline. It's weak and nothing special.

It's a Sony Ericson X10 Android phone (booooo) that has game buttons, not the launch of a Sony Playstation Phone. It's set up to quickly lose steam and be underwhelming out of the gate. So a lot of us no longer care.
 
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Dennis

Banned
Hey the wacky name worked for Wii so it can work here, right guys? Guys?

A name can get away with being wacky and unexpected but can it get away with being utterly lame?
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
jonnybryce said:
Instead it's already extremely outdated
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I was looking at some GL Benchmark 2.0 results and the chipset it's running on was second only to the hummingbird/sgx540 based ones at the moment. So whilst it's not the best available, I'm not sure I'd say it's extremely outdated either. If it's targeting Android based games it'll probably be more than fine for the kind of lifespan a phone is expected to have - most Android games will probably for some time have lower requirements than it supports.
 
Agent X

Agent X

Member
flyinpiranha said:
I just don't get it honestly, I mean, you'd think that they'd want to USE the PS brand to push this.
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Does this device play any games from any of the existing "PlayStation family" of systems? If not, then it's probably not a good idea to label it with the PlayStation brand, as it would likely cause confusion (as others have mentioned already).
 
Chittagong

Chittagong

Gold Member
CrushDance said:
The Xperia is one of the top selling Android phones.
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it is? not saying this is the definitive top sellers list, but

Top 10 Android devices by traffic from Chitika:

Motorola Droid: Android 2.2, Verizon
HTC EVO 4G: Android 2.2, Sprint
Motorola Droid X: Android 2.2, Verizon
HTC Incredible: Android 2.2, Verizon
Samsung Vibrant: Android 2.1, T-Mobile
Motorola Droid 2: Android 2.2, Verizon
LG Ally: Android 2.1, Verizon
HTC myTouch 3G: Android 2.2, T-Mobile
HTC Droid Eris: Android 2.1, Verizon
HTC Hero: Android 2.1, Sprint
They don’t say what period of time this data was sampled, but Chitika serves “over 3 billion monthly impressions across more than 100,000 websites“. Based on our analytics data and Google’s own Platform Versions report it seems pretty accurate.
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jonnybryce

Member
gofreak said:
I was looking at some GL Benchmark 2.0 results and the chipset it's running on was second only to the hummingbird/sgx540 based ones at the moment. So whilst it's not the best available, I'm not sure I'd say it's extremely outdated either. If it's targeting Android based games it'll probably be more than fine for the kind of lifespan a phone is expected to have - most Android games will probably for some time have lower requirements than it supports.
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I suppose you may be right, although I remember seeing the benchmark videos and it only got 24 fps while other phones do much better. I also think I recall reading it uses an older/earlier 1ghz processor. Could be wrong. In any case it's pretty heavily rumored that it'll have dedicated portable games - it would be nice to have more power to run it's portable "God of War, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare and LittleBigPlanet" games than games like Fruit Ninja in the market.

Even if they are relying on Android market games that demonstrates another reason why this is a missed opportunity. The majority didn't ask for a Sony Ericsson phone with game controls for Android games...it was for a Playstation phone for Playstation phone-specific games. To be fair it could be the blogosphere's fault for making more of this than it was ever planned to be.

It might be awesome. I would like to see it succeed but I'm no longer excited for it.
 
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Luigiv

Member
DennisK4 said:
Hey the wacky name worked for Wii so it can work here, right guys? Guys?

A name can get away with being wacky and unexpected but can it get away with being utterly lame?
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Gameboy
Xbox
Playstation
...

I'd say yes.
 
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Takao

Banned
Chittagong said:
it is? not saying this is the definitive top sellers list, but
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Those are all US carriers, so I assume that's just for the US. SE is pretty large outside of North America.

jonnybryce said:
To be fair it could be the blogosphere's fault for making more of this than it was ever planned to be.
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Well yeah. Gizmodo's been calling this thing the "PlayStation Phone", or "PSPhone" since its birth, even though every piece of information that came with it said it was going to carry the Xperia label.
 
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Lonely1

Unconfirmed Member
gofreak said:
I was looking at some GL Benchmark 2.0 results and the chipset it's running on was second only to the hummingbird/sgx540 based ones at the moment. So whilst it's not the best available, I'm not sure I'd say it's extremely outdated either. If it's targeting Android based games it'll probably be more than fine for the kind of lifespan a phone is expected to have - most Android games will probably for some time have lower requirements than it supports.
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That test was indeed strange. While the iOS device were at the bottom, the real life performance of virtually all the games is a lot better in iOS. That being said, its mostly OpenGL 1.1 software. And is still about 40% slower.
 
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Avtomat

Member
Lonely1 said:
That test was indeed strange. While the iOS device were at the bottom, the real life performance of virtually all the games is a lot better in iOS. That being said, its mostly OpenGL 1.1 software. And is still about 40% slower.
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iPhone 4 and iPad use higher resolution screens than the android devices, hence the graphics card was working harder.

Has the phone chipset been revealed?
 
C

charlequin

Banned
Y2Kev said:
FAREWELL GAMEFONE
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Why For?

Banned
If they're not going to paint it with the Playstation brush, then what's the point?

It'll just be another Xperia. But one that happens to have game controls.
 
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BeautifulMemory

Member
magicaltrevor said:
If the specs are as horrible as rumored, I'll skip this one. In a leaked video, they did some benchmarks and it was very obvious the performance sucked. Just like all other Xperia phones, basically.

I'll just stick with my Galaxy S for now, thank you very much.
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can you elaborate? I was very close to buy a Xperia last night
 
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Blueblur1

Member
I think the only reason why this won't be a train wreck is because I'm sure the train will never even leave the station.
 
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BattleMonkey

Member
Why For? said:
If they're not going to paint it with the Playstation brush, then what's the point?

It'll just be another Xperia. But one that happens to have game controls.
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Because it's probably just that. People expected something more from this than just another phone it seems. This isn't a PSP2, it's just another one of various Sony phones
 
Monocle

Monocle

Member
Xperia Play? Not PlaySational Xperience or Sonylicious Bononophone or Orgasmatron Xtreme? It's like they're not even trying anymore.
 
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HomerSimpson-Man

Member
From the sound of things people were something thinking this would be more like a follow-up to the PSP than the smart phone it was going to be with gaming controls/functionality?

Seriously? A $500 smartphone was an option for you guys?
 
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ijed

Member
Monocle said:
Xperia Play? Not PlaySational Xperience or Sonylicious Bononophone or Orgasmatron Xtreme? It's like they're not even trying anymore.
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Better than the name of the last SE Phone with Playstation compatibility :lol
 
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magicaltrevor

Banned
BeautifulMemory said:
can you elaborate? I was very close to buy a Xperia last night
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Yes, sure. I have tried both the 'high-end' and the low-end SE Xperia phones and they all feel choppy and have a horrible interface, compared to HTC and Samsung phones, bot low- and high-end.

Some newer games are very close to being unplayable or do not start up at all.

And then there's the depressingly slow update-process on SE's end. Users have waited for MONTHS before they got the (nowadays) essential 2.1-update. And asside from that alone, the SE phones also lack multitouch (which is quite a nice thing to have, considering you actually NEED it in some games), as their hardware doesn't support it.

If you're going to buy an Android-phone (which is awesome), then I suggest you either wait a bit for the new dual core (Tegra 2) phones (the LG Star, for example, though it's still... well, LG), or look at the Samsung/Motorola/HTC flagship phones that are currently available.

If you want a solid phone and like to have your updates INSTANTLY, then I suggest to order the new Google Nexus S (which is essentially a Samsung Galaxy S, but Google branded with some extended capabilities). Both the Galaxy S and the Nexus S are, along with the iPhone 4 (which has very similar hardware), the fastest phones available today.
 
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Zero-Crescent

Member
Xperia Play.
From a marketing perspective, that is quite possibly...
...the stupidest name I've heard for a gaming-targeted phone since N-Gage.
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
jonnybryce said:
I suppose you may be right, although I remember seeing the benchmark videos and it only got 24 fps while other phones do much better. I also think I recall reading it uses an older/earlier 1ghz processor.
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The 24fps vid was one demo, and IIRC blogs were comparing it negatively to the 540 chipsets, the one chipset benching higher than it in those gl2.0 benchmarks. Whether it was performing poorly vs other Adreno 205 chipsets, I'm not sure. If that was the case then you could be hopeful and put it down to early hardware/software, but I guess you never know with SE.

You're right from a positioning point of view - this doesn't seem to be about attracting 'playstation people' to the phone, but about putting a foot into Android gaming, into a market they must anticipate for gaming-orientated Android phones. If it's Android games, I doubt they expect too many Playstation fans to run out and buy one knowing that a PSP2 is coming, but they may hope to reach new segments interested in mobile gaming.

Hammer24 said:
Wouldn´t it be hilarious, if the Xperia Play would actually be this phone?
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Well hey, one of them has a slightly faster chipset than the leaked spec for this so it mightn't be altogether unwelcome :p The form factors there are quite different though, so they're probably not related.
 
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Hammer24

Banned
gofreak said:
Well hey, one of them has a slightly faster chipset than the leaked spec for this so it mightn't be altogether unwelcome :p The form factors there are quite different though, so they're probably not related.
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At least it wouldn´t get mixed up with the PSP2... ;-)
 
kikonawa

kikonawa

Member
whats so funny about the name?

Xperia is an existing line of phones for SE anyway (Xperia X1,X10 , X10 mini ,X10 mini pro , X8 ).They just differenciate with this name
to create a play platform for mobile games. I dont think we will see anywhere 'PLAYSTATION' on the phone.
 
C

CiSTM

Banned
DennisK4 said:
Hey the wacky name worked for Wii so it can work here, right guys? Guys?

A name can get away with being wacky and unexpected but can it get away with being utterly lame?
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Xperia is well recognized brand at least out side of US and I don't see nothing wrong with the name. It's lame as rest of the smart phone names (Desire, WildFire, Nexus, Star, etc.) and they don't get shit for their names.
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Kaz Hirai talking about it. And some bits on PSP2 I guess, but nothing too revelatory there.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/clues-about-the-next-playstation-portable/

Mr. Hirai said the fast rise of casual games could in fact be good for Sony’s gaming business.

‘‘We’re seeing people who never had an interest in games join the gaming population,” he said. “That means that the gaming industry pie is getting bigger.”

...

‘‘We don’t want gamers to be asking, what’s the difference between that [Playstation Phone] and a PSP,’’ Mr. Hirai said. ‘‘We have to come up with a message that users will understand. It would have to be a product that keeps the PlayStation’s strengths intact.’’
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Might I humbly suggest, Mr. Hirai, that your current strategy appears to hold more potential for confusion than the alternatives. A phone version of the PSP2 - *cough* - for example, would be a much simpler and less confusing proposition than a device that sort-of, kind-of looks like a PSP but doesn't play PSP or 'Playstation' games. Not allowing SE access to the 'real' Playstation goods is a very naive way to try and keep Playstation product's strengths intact, it's an artificial divide that needn't be there. Stringer really needs to get them in the same room and knock their heads together a little harder.

Anyway, PSP2-ish stuff, but nothing we didn't already know:

So how will Sony wow gamers on the go?

New controls, for one thing, Mr. Hirai suggested, in nod by Sony to the success of touch-pad-controlled games played on Nintendo’s DS handheld and the iPhone.

‘‘Depending on the game, there are ones where you can play perfectly well with a touch panel,’’ Mr. Hirai said. ‘‘But you can definitely play immersive games better with physical buttons and pads. I think there could be games where you’re able to use both in combination.’’
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