• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
  • The Politics forum has been nuked. Please do not bring political discussion to the rest of the site, or you will be removed. Thanks.

RTX I/O and DirectStorage coming... next year, possibly in 2022

DonJuanSchlong

Spice Spice Baby
Jul 15, 2020
3,838
9,879
745
Pixels are I/O now? The twisted logic is right on Que.

Now excuse me while I go to get my asshole bleached.
Requirement of Cerny? I could definitely see him being a topper, and his minions being the bottoms, or whatever it's called.

I'm just waiting for games that require this I/O speed right now. Haven't had any hiccups yet on my SSD's for years, and I look forward to better I/O utilization. But for right now, 8K60+fps is definitely better than anything at 1440p~30fps. No one can dispute that, not even Mark himself.
 

Shmunter

Member
Aug 25, 2018
10,752
24,375
835
Requirement of Cerny? I could definitely see him being a topper, and his minions being the bottoms, or whatever it's called.

I'm just waiting for games that require this I/O speed right now. Haven't had any hiccups yet on my SSD's for years, and I look forward to better I/O utilization. But for right now, 8K60+fps is definitely better than anything at 1440p~30fps. No one can dispute that, not even Mark himself.
Whoa, whoa, no need to get so upset. I was just providing information as relevant as yours, in a thread titled... “RTX I/O and DirectStorage...“
 

geordiemp

Member
Sep 5, 2013
11,920
25,017
1,010
UK
AMD designed PS5? I'm gonna assume you meant to say Sony there. AMD had engineers work with Sony engineers on PS5, and engineers to work with MS engineers on the Series systems.

I don't think what MS and NV are saying is PR; in fact you can see examples of GPUDirectStorage in action right now on Nvidia's channel. They have a series of DG1 computers networked together pulling data from Micron M100 SSDs for NASA data simulations, it's very impressive. General data amounts they were crunching was around 168 GB/s across the cluster of them networked together.

The thing is for something like DirectStorage and the use-cases it's being designed for you need to do lots of testing and certification. That takes time, even if it's been in the works for a very long time. Now DirectStorage itself may not've been in the works for, say, the past 10 years or so, but other R&D projects from other teams at companies like MS and NV have been working on I/O-related things for a long time, of course now is the optimal time for them to deploy that research into consumer-level products at a wider scale and in a way that can be leveraged across a range of hardware.

AMD, again, they've had the Radeon SSG cards since 2017. They might've been the first to market with such a thing AFAIK (dunno about that, have to research more), but it doesn't mean they were the first to deploy research into the field. In fact I think it's probably the opposite. As to say, they probably have lagged behind companies like Nvidia and Microsoft in capitalizing on early-phase R&D research of such technologies. Another way to look at it would be to say that, given the limited deployment of Radeon SSG cards, other companies simply waited until the market and tech were more mature before pushing on it. And at least in MS's case, they wanted something that could be utilized with a variety of different setups, leveraged by GPU manufacturers like NV and AMD, and more.

Hence why we probably only saw AMD out first with such a graphics card doing something something (but not exactly, and not as robustly) as what we're seeing NV deploy in three weeks to the public.



You people seem to have no understanding of how the tech world actually works. DS is set to deploy next year en masse, not 2022. Devs do not have to wait until the new tech is literally available before developing with it in mind, either; they can develop around known and assumed feature support of the standard ahead of time, and port their progress over to the new standard when it is ready.

This is what devs are doing right now for eventual UE5 use; working in UE4, and porting their work over to UE5 once it's available. There's a good deal of portability to I/O systems devs can work with even if it may require rewriting in areas; effectiveness in quick porting comes down to the quality of the software code and the quality of the APIs. The latter isn't much a reason for concern, and the former shouldn't be an issue at least for bigger and modest-sized dev teams.

No one is using NV's work, GPUDirectStorage or DirectStorage as some kind of proxy attack against Sony's achievements with their SSD I/O. However, the fact some of you keep constantly drawing this comparison of your own volition, shows a lot of insecurities and worries on your end. It's a talking point you're using as a power grab and it's starting to look extremely desperate. There is room for more than one excellent next-gen I/O solution, even if that's among - gasp!! - multiple hardware vendors!

The sooner you realize that and realize that these developments with DirectStorage and GPUDirectStorage absolutely benefit 3rd-parties across the board, the sooner you can realize that this also benefits Sony, and therefore everyone wins. Except maybe Nintendo, but I'm sure they have been planning for something along these lines themselves, which should help them keep pace.

Stop viewing everything through a fanboy prism and you can better appreciate the qualities of a variety of solutions and offerings.

The data point that interested me on File IO was actually Linus tech o that 27 GBs SSD, it actually performed fast as you would expect OUTside of windows and reasonably better on LInux. Its not the PC, never has been, its MS file system for PC which MS will want something compatible for their boxes.

Imagine all the legacy software and security on millions of APS that run on PC today on win10.
 
Last edited:

Shmunter

Member
Aug 25, 2018
10,752
24,375
835
The data point that interested me on File IO was actually Linus tech o that 27 GBs SSD, it actually performed fast as you would expect OUTside of windows and reasonably better on LInux. Its not the PC, never has been, its MS file system for PC which MS will want something compatible for their boxes.

Imagine all the legacy software and security on millions of APS that run on PC today on win10.
Decompression is the other factor. Hasn’t been such an issue under legacy I/o as that’s slow, but once you start moving so much data at speed - the processing becomes a significant issue. Hence the gpu’s doing the decompressing otherwise you’d need a secondary cpu or other dedicated hardware to deal with it ala the consoles.

What’s not totally clear is if the RTX IO GPU needs to first store the compressed data in vram before it can decompress it back into vram which I suspect may be the case with how things work on PC. PS5 delivers decompressed data straight into ram via the i/o block which would be a significant latency advantage for the console.
 

Snake29

Member
Jul 30, 2013
2,536
4,132
725
The Netherlands
The thing with this is that EVERY PS5 has the same level of hardware. It doesn’t matter if someone purchase the PS5 in 3 months or after 2 years, everyone has the same power. When i purchase the 3080 in 2 weeks and someone else is doing the same, it still doesn’t mean we both have the same performance. The GPU is just one part of the whole package. Maybe he has less ram, different mobo and CPU. His Windows installation can be bloated with all kinds of shit that screwed their Win10.

It will takes many years before we even see this advantage on PC. I think this I/O hardware needs to be part of the mobo in the future and not GPU. A couple of million people can buy this card, the rest of the world doesn’t have this advantage in the end.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Coulomb_Barrier

Shmunter

Member
Aug 25, 2018
10,752
24,375
835
ok, let's make this simple to understand Name a game that's coming to Pc and console that will run worse on PC.
All future games designed around next gen I/o - not just A game. These will either not be possible, or need obvious compromises. For example, the PS5 ratchet and clank game is geared to exploiting the i/o and would not be the same game on last gen secondary storage.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Coulomb_Barrier
Feb 15, 2013
8,976
7,754
855
London
2021-2022 lol. PS5 will have a significant uncontested advantage in IO even after the first gen of this is available then. But nice effort PC MR :messenger_winking::messenger_savoring:
 

geordiemp

Member
Sep 5, 2013
11,920
25,017
1,010
UK
ok, let's make this simple to understand Name a game that's coming to Pc and console that will run worse on PC.

Direct api will be needed for UE5 nanite tech, maybe they could create a very large RAM stream pool or just cut down on asset quality, or maybe you insert elevators and doors ?

 
Last edited:

Stooky

Member
Oct 18, 2017
424
789
395
I see a lot of wishful thinking on the PC side. Hopefully by 2022 you'll might see a Dev take advantage the I/0 on the new GPU. Hopefully its more than a game loading faster. You're talking about a very small subset of pc gamers that will have this capability. In mean time XSEX and PS5 devs will have refined the use of this technology all in $500ish box. PC is more than a few years away before this I/0 tech becomes widely adopted. Very curious about how this tech will scale. PC games will be held back by lower systems. Until then all i expect are PC tech demos and some games that load faster.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Coulomb_Barrier

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Mar 31, 2011
6,681
5,104
1,130
Direct api will be needed for UE5 nanite tech, maybe they could create a very large RAM stream pool or just cut down on asset quality, or maybe you insert elevators and doors ?


Nanite doesnt need shit beyond a Gen 3 NVMe....the genius of Nanite that everyone seems to be forgetting and literally turning the other way round is the fact that all that geometry "doesnt" need mad bandwidth to deliver and only what is on screen is ever really needed to reside in VRAM.
Would it work on a 5400rpm....nope.
Would a Gen 3 NVMe suffice?...Comfortably
Would a Gen 4 NVMe suffice?....multiple times over with a more powerful GPU it would also run higher than 2496x1404.



The demos streaming data pool was 768mb......not even a gig and Gen4 NVMes can do 7GB/s
 

Shmunter

Member
Aug 25, 2018
10,752
24,375
835
Nanite doesnt need shit beyond a Gen 3 NVMe....the genius of Nanite that everyone seems to be forgetting and literally turning the other way round is the fact that all that geometry "doesnt" need mad bandwidth to deliver and only what is on screen is ever really needed to reside in VRAM.
Would it work on a 5400rpm....nope.
Would a Gen 3 NVMe suffice?...Comfortably
Would a Gen 4 NVMe suffice?....multiple times over with a more powerful GPU it would also run higher than 2496x1404.



The demos streaming data pool was 768mb......not even a gig and Gen4 NVMes can do 7GB/s
How often is the pool buffer refreshed?
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Mar 31, 2011
6,681
5,104
1,130
I see a lot of wishful thinking on the PC side. Hopefully by 2022 you'll might see a Dev take advantage the I/0 on the new GPU. Hopefully its more than a game loading faster. You're talking about a very small subset of pc gamers that will have this capability. In mean time XSEX and PS5 devs will have refined the use of this technology all in $500ish box. PC is more than a few years away before this I/0 tech becomes widely adopted. Very curious about how this tech will scale. PC games will be held back by lower systems. Until then all i expect are PC tech demos and some games that load faster.

DirectStorage is part of DirectX 12U.
You think developers are not going to use DirectX 12U when nextgen is in full swing?

Its the API, Nvidia is just using DX12 DirectStorage on their GPU, AMD are likely doing the same as their new GPUs are DX12U compliant.
It doesnt matter the subset of PC Gamers who are going to use it, the fact that its an option for the millions and millions who have NVMes is all that counts.
Are there crappy PCs out there....sure, are there alot of great PCs out there....absolutely.
The XSX is literally also using DirectStorage, so i dont understand why it would work better on XSX and not on PC?


YOu then say it will take years and years for this I/O to be adopted?
The technology being adopted is already there right now.....how many people you think have DX12U compliant GPUs and NVMes?
Ill tell you right now that number is much much higher than the number of XSXs and PS5s in the wild.

And saying games will be held back by the weaker systems is again a sign of your low understanding of how any of this shit works.
If your PC cant use DirectStorage, it just wont....if it can it will.
Its the same as if you have a DXR GPU, the game will be able to use DXR, if it cant it wont.
When Crysis needed DX10 for certain features if you PC didnt have a DX10GPU, those features just didnt work.
Computers NOT having the technology dont slow down computers that do have the tech....thats not how any of this works.

Hell how long were games using two separate exes for different DX versions?.....Ohh yeah they still do.
So devs will have DirectStorage in their pipeline once its on a computer it will know whether it can be used or not....if it cant they fall back to "classic" methods....if they can then DirectStorage it is.
 

pyrocro

Member
Mar 19, 2020
247
417
265
All future games designed around next gen I/o - not just A game. These will either not be possible, or need obvious compromises. For example, the PS5 ratchet and clank game is geared to exploiting the i/o and would not be the same game on last gen secondary storage.
Sooo, in other words, you have nothing, no example, Like we all though. lol.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Mar 31, 2011
6,681
5,104
1,130
How often is the pool buffer refreshed?

Refreshed as in erased and replaced?.....Id imagine anytime the screen needs to be completely redrawn with completely new triangles.
Otherwise it would just update with whatever triangles need to be displayed.
 

pyrocro

Member
Mar 19, 2020
247
417
265
Direct api will be needed for UE5 nanite tech, maybe they could create a very large RAM stream pool or just cut down on asset quality, or maybe you insert elevators and doors ?

Direct API? LOL WTF are you trying to say something like Lets say DIRECT STORAGE. LOL.
come on man at least makeup something technical sounding.
What are you guys upset about? really, such a weak attempt at being slick, the connection you make there is just silly.
 
Last edited:

Shmunter

Member
Aug 25, 2018
10,752
24,375
835
Refreshed as in erased and replaced?.....Id imagine anytime the screen needs to be completely redrawn with completely new triangles.
Otherwise it would just update with whatever triangles need to be displayed.
So let’s say that’s holding 3 frames worth of assets at 30fps, thats 7.6gig/sec.

There’s no way to interpret how fast the i/o is delivering data simply based on the size of the pool. Indeed, the faster the i/o the smaller the pool needed because the data can be brought in faster, leaving more usable vram.
 

pyrocro

Member
Mar 19, 2020
247
417
265
Nanite doesnt need shit beyond a Gen 3 NVMe....the genius of Nanite that everyone seems to be forgetting and literally turning the other way round is the fact that all that geometry "doesnt" need mad bandwidth to deliver and only what is on screen is ever really needed to reside in VRAM.
Would it work on a 5400rpm....nope.
Would a Gen 3 NVMe suffice?...Comfortably
Would a Gen 4 NVMe suffice?....multiple times over with a more powerful GPU it would also run higher than 2496x1404.



The demos streaming data pool was 768mb......not even a gig and Gen4 NVMes can do 7GB/s
You took his post seriously dude, I think he is just trolling and not believing the nonsense he wrote.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Mar 31, 2011
6,681
5,104
1,130
So let’s say that’s holding 3 frames worth of assets at 30fps, thats 7.6gig/sec.

There’s no way to interpret how fast the i/o is delivering data simply based on the size of the pool. Indeed, the faster the i/o the smaller the pool needed because the data can be brought in faster, leaving more usable vram.

The stream pool is per frame.
If it was worse than classic rasterization and needed up to 7.6GB/s why they fuck would they make it?

Its 800mb per view....assume its per frame because each frame will render everything in view, as you move around more is added in and whats not needed is erased. (Logical)
But a full scene change as in wiping and starting again the pool would still be 800mb, because thats what Nanite would need on screen to render a frame thats 2496 x 1404.

Thats what the genius of Nanite is and everyone is forgetting and going with it another way.
The fact it takes all your gemoetry and breaks it down....it doesnt care about how much shit you have on screen because the whole frame will still be broken down into its triangle form.
Thus having a basically locked stream buffer....the most that could ever be seen on screen at resolution X is a known quantity, very litte guess work from devs and thats why people can throw in movie quality assets regardless of size and complexity, when its gone through nanite its as taxing as the space it takes up on screen without needing LODs.
 
  • LOL
Reactions: megreotsugua

Rikkori

Member
May 9, 2020
2,704
5,122
470
Tbh I'm happy it's going to take longer to implement. Gives me time to bridge the gap until we jump to DDR5. :)
 

Shmunter

Member
Aug 25, 2018
10,752
24,375
835
The stream pool is per frame.
If it was worse than classic rasterization and needed up to 7.6GB/s why they fuck would they make it?

Its 800mb per view....assume its per frame because each frame will render everything in view, as you move around more is added in and whats not needed is erased. (Logical)
But a full scene change as in wiping and starting again the pool would still be 800mb, because thats what Nanite would need on screen to render a frame thats 2496 x 1404.

Thats what the genius of Nanite is and everyone is forgetting and going with it another way.
The fact it takes all your gemoetry and breaks it down....it doesnt care about how much shit you have on screen because the whole frame will still be broken down into its triangle form.
Thus having a basically locked stream buffer....the most that could ever be seen on screen at resolution X is a known quantity, very litte guess work from devs and thats why people can throw in movie quality assets regardless of size and complexity, when its gone through nanite its as taxing as the space it takes up on screen without needing LODs.
Fine fine, but I’m not getting any indication of how much data is being moved in and out over time. Is there more to the presentation you can point to? I appreciate the pool size is clear and fixed, but that on its own says nothing of the actual I/o speed.

If it were 763/meg at full stress per frame that’s +20 gig/s. Kind of hitting the ceiling of best case scenario for PS5 - seems too ambitious, and purely speculative.
 

geordiemp

Member
Sep 5, 2013
11,920
25,017
1,010
UK
Direct API? LOL WTF are you trying to say something like Lets say DIRECT STORAGE. LOL.
come on man at least makeup something technical sounding.
What are you guys upset about? really, such a weak attempt at being slick, the connection you make there is just silly.

I Could not be botherd to type direct storage, glad you find it funny, was it because its hard to understand ?

What is your actual techical point, as you did not make one.....other than a weak ad hominem

I am not upset, I am just point out facts

1. Direct storage preview in 2021, likely 2022 its ready

2. Go ask tim sweeny his views on PC IO, I can link lots of tweets if you want ?
 
Last edited:

megreotsugua

Member
Dec 3, 2019
1,813
4,155
410
What’s not totally clear is if the RTX IO GPU needs to first store the compressed data in vram before it can decompress it back into vram which I suspect may be the case with how things work on PC. PS5 delivers decompressed data straight into ram via the i/o block which would be a significant latency advantage for the console.

This is perhaps why PS5 I/O has it's own on-board memory.

Additionally, PS5 I/O can deliver decompressed data straight to GPU cache.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Shmunter

geordiemp

Member
Sep 5, 2013
11,920
25,017
1,010
UK
Nanite doesnt need shit beyond a Gen 3 NVMe....the genius of Nanite that everyone seems to be forgetting and literally turning the other way round is the fact that all that geometry "doesnt" need mad bandwidth to deliver and only what is on screen is ever really needed to reside in VRAM.
Would it work on a 5400rpm....nope.
Would a Gen 3 NVMe suffice?...Comfortably
Would a Gen 4 NVMe suffice?....multiple times over with a more powerful GPU it would also run higher than 2496x1404.



The demos streaming data pool was 768mb......not even a gig and Gen4 NVMes can do 7GB/s

Glad you understand how a streaming pool works. yes its 768 MB SIZE, but what about the time variable ?

Your assuming the 768 MB is updated every second, a 60 FPS game is 16 ms.

And you do not know the update MB in the streaming pool which is being streamed and in what time, per frame ?

Also you dont know the latency requirements for streaming per frame.

Here is a fun fact, if you had to replace 768 MB every frame at 60 FPS, you would need 48 GBs IO.

Of course its not that much, but 10 % , 5 % ? Do you feel lucky ?
 
Last edited:

FritzJ92

Member
Jul 19, 2020
461
711
305
Everything i'm reading is showing that Next Gen doesnt really start for another 2 years, 1 the earliest... UE5/Directstorage/Games Taking Advantage of it. Also I can see why most of MS games are a year or two out. Buy now, wait later.
 

Papacheeks

Gold Member
Jan 30, 2013
7,885
4,191
895
Watertown, NY
Everything i'm reading is showing that Next Gen doesnt really start for another 2 years, 1 the earliest... UE5/Directstorage/Games Taking Advantage of it. Also I can see why most of MS games are a year or two out. Buy now, wait later.

Well ANYTHING that relies on DIrect X , direct storage wont show up sounds like till next year same with UE5. But XBox sereis X is using dedicated chips for a lot of this, it';s just they are behind with direct x, for ray tracing. Pllaystation uses their own API so thats why we've seen games actually running on it with all the bells and whistles including ray tracing.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mckmas8808

Papacheeks

Gold Member
Jan 30, 2013
7,885
4,191
895
Watertown, NY
Really?

Just reading this thread alone you can see some of the usual suspects getting salty as fuck about their beloved secret sauces being completely obliterated by PC before even their launch.

How are the consoles getting obliterated? In raw compute from the RTX 3080 and RTX 3070 yes you are correct. There hard to compare because of the transistor count on the GPU's is so much more denser, also more shader cores.

Consoles are cut down to fit within a certain power draw/plan. GPU'S alone are 320-350watts. ANd thats just reference cards without overclocks. Imagine AIB's?
These consoles are not pulling that much wattage or power. So of course these GPU's in raw specs can out do them.

The thing you and others are not taking into consideration is all the customization done for decompression, memory bandwidth and memory allocation. Nvidia isn't going to be able to use the new Direct storage features till like end of 2021 let alone implemented in any game later than that. PC is still playing catch up in that regard.
We have now 7-8gb/s drives being announced, but still PC only has 2 priority lanes and still require software and cpu to help mitigate all that decompression. GPU's will now help with that but those features specifically NVIDIA wont be till late next year in terms of real world testing in games.

Xbox and Playstation still have their own custom chips that are dedicated to do this. Xbox's seems to be a hybrid of partial dedicated hardware and software for these tasks.
While Sony's is 100% all custom hardware that literally nothing has to be programmed for out of the box. It just works, it's in the specific work load within a specific engine that would have to be modified or programmed if they were trying to do something different.

But it's the reason so many people including engine professionals are saying Sony is so far ahead of the PC tech in that regard.
 
Last edited:
  • Thoughtful
Reactions: megreotsugua

Faithless83

Member
Mar 9, 2020
1,562
3,957
480
8K60+fps > 1440~30fps. No offense to you and your feelings. *Shrugs*
I thought we were referring to data stream all this time, why are we talking about resolution all of a sudden?
Goal post moving much? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

2 months away is after the 17th of this month didn't the memo of how time works skip your desk. :messenger_sunglasses:
In case you didn't read the title:
RTX I/O and DirectStorage coming... next year, possibly in 2022

The disdain for the PC is palpable in this one.
The only thing I'm here for is to see the idiots who think any of the major tech in these consoles will be exclusive to the console, after using all PC tech.
FTFY:
The only thing I'm here for is to see the people who now understand this major tech in this console is currently exclusive to the console. It will make the industry move forward and we all should praise our lord Cerny for it. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

 
Last edited:

Ascend

Member
Jul 23, 2018
3,545
5,175
615
In case you didn't read the title:
RTX I/O and DirectStorage coming... next year, possibly in 2022
It's not like consoles immediately make use of the new tech either. Even though there was a demo of UE5 on the PS5, there isn't going to be a game that leverages that any time soon. Those will also likely come out 2022-ish.

The consoles barely have any advantage technology-wise. That does not mean that they still cannot provide a superior experience, depending on what you're looking for. There is an advantage in plug and play without needing to mess around with drivers, game settings etc.
 

pyrocro

Member
Mar 19, 2020
247
417
265
I Could not be botherd to type direct storage, glad you find it funny, was it because its hard to understand ?
yes very difficult! so difficult no one but you can understand the complicated gibberish tech talk. we get your shtick already.
it's as though your 12, are you 12?

What is your actual techical point, as you did not make one.....other than a weak ad hominem
Me I would never suggest you don't understand what you're talking about☝, ad hominem, whats that.
(its not as though Ad hominems is your go to move, in every reply, right.)

I am not upset, I am just point out facts

1. Direct storage preview in 2021, likely 2022 its ready

2. Go ask tim sweeny his views on PC IO, I can link lots of tweets if you want ?
List the games that will require this massive IO performance before the end of 2021 and run worse on a 3070 than the consoles. It will be the RTX ray tracing Launch all over again but for the NVME IO revolution.
What game do you propose will run worse on the PC?
When is Unreal5 being released? (I wonder why).

You mean UE5 will be useable just in time for direct storage(2021)
It's as if the Microsft software feature set is driving the development of major game engines and their implementation. (clueless Microsoft don't even know they are doing it, so clueless "lollipop_disappointed:)
Not to mention AMD and Nvidia boy they have no clue. But Sony they got the industry beat.
With Ratchet & Clank, when is that coming out again, sometime between launch and March 2021.

The silliness obvious.
It's good enough for sony to have unreleased hardware and mention some features with limited software support and be praised.

Nvidia is launching their hardware before Sony and will have broader software support in 2021.
 
  • Like
Reactions: pawel86ck

mckmas8808

Ah. Peace and quiet. #ADayWithoutAWoman
May 24, 2005
47,863
15,119
2,000
Everything i'm reading is showing that Next Gen doesnt really start for another 2 years, 1 the earliest... UE5/Directstorage/Games Taking Advantage of it. Also I can see why most of MS games are a year or two out. Buy now, wait later.

So it's smart for MS to concede the first year to Sony? Just cause?
 

Faithless83

Member
Mar 9, 2020
1,562
3,957
480
It's not like consoles immediately make use of the new tech either. Even though there was a demo of UE5 on the PS5, there isn't going to be a game that leverages that any time soon. Those will also likely come out 2022-ish.

The consoles barely have any advantage technology-wise. That does not mean that they still cannot provide a superior experience, depending on what you're looking for. There is an advantage in plug and play without needing to mess around with drivers, game settings etc.
People are still failing to see that games are in development for a while (especially the first party ones) and will make use of the tech soon. R&C is on launch window already. Hopefully with the Sony's investment, Epic could integrate a lot of the "quality of life" PS5 functionalities into UE5 out of the box.
Cerny also made it clear that the data streaming is transparent to the developer in the road to PS5 (timestamped)

So yeah, no need to incorporate it or additional development time, it's in there just to be used.
Devs were excited about PS5 for a while now on how this removes constraints, so I believe we will see it in action sooner than later. I would even dare to say that this may bring exclusive games to PS5 simply because of the data stream.
 
  • LOL
Reactions: DonJuanSchlong

mckmas8808

Ah. Peace and quiet. #ADayWithoutAWoman
May 24, 2005
47,863
15,119
2,000
People are still failing to see that games are in development for a while (especially the first party ones) and will make use of the tech soon. R&C is on launch window already. Hopefully with the Sony's investment, Epic could integrate a lot of the "quality of life" PS5 functionalities into UE5 out of the box.
Cerny also made it clear that the data streaming is transparent to the developer in the road to PS5 (timestamped)

So yeah, no need to incorporate it or additional development time, it's in there just to be used.
Devs were excited about PS5 for a while now on how this removes constraints, so I believe we will see it in action sooner than later. I would even dare to say that this may bring exclusive games to PS5 simply because of the data stream.

I wish I could find all those devs that were super excited about the tech in the PS5. Now we TRUELY see why. They've had this information for a while.
 

pyrocro

Member
Mar 19, 2020
247
417
265
I thought we were referring to data stream all this time, why are we talking about resolution all of a sudden?
Goal post moving much? :messenger_tears_of_joy:


In case you didn't read the title:
RTX I/O and DirectStorage coming... next year, possibly in 2022


FTFY:
The only thing I'm here for is to see the people who now understand this major tech in this console is currently exclusive to the console. It will make the industry move forward and we all should praise our lord Cerny for it. :messenger_tears_of_joy:


when is Ratch & Clank(the only software taking advantage of ULTRA Mega NVME performance) being released on the PS5 again?
 

Faithless83

Member
Mar 9, 2020
1,562
3,957
480
when is Ratch & Clank(the only software taking advantage of ULTRA Mega NVME performance) being released on the PS5 again?
Timestamped:

:messenger_sunglasses:
Obviously no date due to the PS5 launch not being set on stone yet, but we can assume it's this year.
Earlier than 2021 or 2022, for those wondering.

And as I alredy pointed out, every game on PS5 will have the advantage of the ssd, the ones designed around that will come soon.
 
Last edited:

geordiemp

Member
Sep 5, 2013
11,920
25,017
1,010
UK
yes very difficult! so difficult no one but you can understand the complicated gibberish tech talk. we get your shtick already.
it's as though your 12, are you 12?


Me I would never suggest you don't understand what you're talking about☝, ad hominem, whats that.
(its not as though Ad hominems is your go to move, in every reply, right.)


List the games that will require this massive IO performance before the end of 2021 and run worse on a 3070 than the consoles. It will be the RTX ray tracing Launch all over again but for the NVME IO revolution.
What game do you propose will run worse on the PC?
When is Unreal5 being released? (I wonder why).

You mean UE5 will be useable just in time for direct storage(2021)
It's as if the Microsft software feature set is driving the development of major game engines and their implementation. (clueless Microsoft don't even know they are doing it, so clueless "lollipop_disappointed:)
Not to mention AMD and Nvidia boy they have no clue. But Sony they got the industry beat.
With Ratchet & Clank, when is that coming out again, sometime between launch and March 2021.

The silliness obvious.
It's good enough for sony to have unreleased hardware and mention some features with limited software support and be praised.

Nvidia is launching their hardware before Sony and will have broader software support in 2021.

I am discussing direct storage implementation and feasibility, if you want to do N4G list wars carry on, your embarrassing yourself.

And I am 12, intellligent response, you are impressive sir.

Thanks for the enlightening conversation, eductating.
 
Last edited:

DonJuanSchlong

Spice Spice Baby
Jul 15, 2020
3,838
9,879
745
I thought we were referring to data stream all this time, why are we talking about resolution all of a sudden?
Goal post moving much? :messenger_tears_of_joy:


In case you didn't read the title:
RTX I/O and DirectStorage coming... next year, possibly in 2022


FTFY:
The only thing I'm here for is to see the people who now understand this major tech in this console is currently exclusive to the console. It will make the industry move forward and we all should praise our lord Cerny for it. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Let me guess, the UE5 demo is going to be playable on ps5 🤷‍♂️ . Nope, but it will be releasing early this upcoming year on PC. To test all settings, etc. When it runs higher quality, higher framerate, higher resolution, what will your excuse be then? I don't need RTX IO in order to have a better experience than someone on console. There will be even more of a gap between PC dominance this gen.
 

Faithless83

Member
Mar 9, 2020
1,562
3,957
480
Let me guess, the UE5 demo is going to be playable on ps5 🤷‍♂️ . Nope, but it will be releasing early this upcoming year on PC. To test all settings, etc. When it runs higher quality, higher framerate, higher resolution, what will your excuse be then? I don't need RTX IO in order to have a better experience than someone on console. There will be even more of a gap between PC dominance this gen.
Are you still failing to see that the industry is moving towards the same direction a console and not the other way around?
That PC is catching up to a hardware we'll have in our hands in a couple of months?

It's bonkers, I know, but it's there. It's no FUD or marketing: A (hopefully) $500 machine making a PC that is not limited by budget, make a turn to adapt to a new standard?

I fully understand the salt. What a time to be alive, huh? :messenger_sunglasses:
 

DonJuanSchlong

Spice Spice Baby
Jul 15, 2020
3,838
9,879
745
Are you still failing to see that the industry is moving towards the same direction a console and not the other way around?
That PC is catching up to a hardware we'll have in our hands in a couple of months?

It's bonkers, I know, but it's there. It's no FUD or marketing: A (hopefully) $500 machine making a PC that is not limited by budget, make a turn to adapt to a new standard?

I fully understand the salt. What a time to be alive, huh? :messenger_sunglasses:
So you are salty because Nvidia is dropping their gpu's this month? Before ps5 even releases? Nvidia and Microsoft have been implementing this way before ps5 was even announced. You can't be that big of a fanboy to disregard the facts.

And you are crazy to think a console that is 1/4 of the power of the new 30XX gpu's will somehow push above it's weight? Especially with nothing comparable to DLSS. Oh man, you been sniffing the secret sauce again? Your supposed to eat it, not snort it dude.
 
  • LOL
Reactions: megreotsugua

Faithless83

Member
Mar 9, 2020
1,562
3,957
480
So you are salty because Nvidia is dropping their gpu's this month? Before ps5 even releases? Nvidia and Microsoft have been implementing this way before ps5 was even announced. You can't be that big of a fanboy to disregard the facts.

And you are crazy to think a console that is 1/4 of the power of the new 30XX gpu's will somehow push above it's weight? Especially with nothing comparable to DLSS. Oh man, you been sniffing the secret sauce again? Your supposed to eat it, not snort it dude.
Geez man, read the article. The solution is not ready yet on PCs and it is on PS5. Is that so hard to understand?
"Oh but they are developing for years"
Yeah, how the F is the console solution ready (For long enough to have games using it at launch window), but PC isn't then? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Let me try to put it on terms that are easier to understand :

Both trains leave the station, both around the same speed and distance from their destination.
One arrives 2 years later than the other. Do we believe that they left the station at the same time?
 
Last edited:
  • Thoughtful
Reactions: megreotsugua

DonJuanSchlong

Spice Spice Baby
Jul 15, 2020
3,838
9,879
745
Geez man, read the article. The solution is not ready yet on PCs and it is on PS5. Is that so hard to understand?
"Oh but they are developing for years"
Yeah, how the F is the console solution ready (For long enough to have games using it at launch window), but PC isn't then? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Let me try to put it on terms that easier to understand :

Both trains leave the station, both around the same speed and distance from their destination.
One arrives 2 years later than the other. Do we believe that they left the station at the same time?
Let me make it easier for you to understand. So listen carefully. It's easier to develop this for one single platform, vs doing this for Nvidia and AMD gpu's with different hardware configurations. Further more, are PC games being held back because direct storage not being available right now? Did you even think about that for a second?

Can you show me what games on PC currently are unplayable with the console version running better? Please if you have any proof of your claims, state them now, otherwise you have no clue what you are talking about.

When direct storage releases for PC, games will run even better and more efficient than they already do. Your analogy doesn't even make sense. A better one would be, a train (ps5) and an airplane (pc) leave the station at the same time. The airplane will get there faster. And when direct storage comes out, the airplane will become a fighter jet vs that same train.

Only clueless people believe ue5 or ratchet and clank are using 7gbps. Wouldn't that mean the ps5 is maxed out already?! Games cannot look any better. Sony devs might as well pack up their bags, as they've already landed on the moon, while trying to reach for Mars.
 
Last edited:

Faithless83

Member
Mar 9, 2020
1,562
3,957
480
Let me make it easier for you to understand. So listen carefully. It's easier to develop this for one single platform, vs doing this for Nvidia and AMD gpu's with different hardware configurations. Further more, are PC games being held back because direct storage not being available right now? Did you even think about that for a second?

Can you show me what games on PC currently are unplayable with the console version running better? Please if you have any proof of your claims, state them now, otherwise you have no clue what you are talking about.

When direct storage releases for PC, games will run even better and more efficient than they already do. Your analogy doesn't even make sense. A better one would be, a train (ps5) and an airplane (pc) leave the station at the same time. The airplane will get there faster. And when direct storage comes out, the airplane will become a fighter jet vs that same train.

Only clueless people believe ue5 or ratchet and clank are using 7gbps. Wouldn't that mean the ps5 is maxed out already?! Games cannot look any better. Sony devs might as well pack up their bags, as they've already landed on the moon, while trying to reach for Mars.
Let me try this again...
I meant how they could be developing the solution for YEARS in advance if it isn't ready yet? Everything points to a "patch" hardware level hoping that the drivers will pick up. Hence my analogy with the trains. How can you still assume that this wasn't a response to PS5 solution and something "in development for years" is amazing to me. :messenger_grinning_sweat:

There are no games yet because there wasn't a solution available to work around this limitation (again, you are welcome guys). This will change drastically in the future, as developers are now (not 2 years from now) free to realize their visions of the games.

It's not about "maxing out" the I/O is always maxed out, it's what devs will be able do with it.

I'm not talking rocket science here and yet it looks like all I said "went over your head like an airplane". :messenger_neutral: