would be massive overkill for the 4070, don't even need 1000 watts for a 4090, if you plan on transferring the psu to future builds/systems it might be worth it.
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amigastar
Member
Idk man, i asked google and yes 1000 watt should be enough. My personal opinion is the same 1000 watt is enough for 3090.
Unless you mean 4070 not 3090 then 1000 watt is overkill.
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Elder Legend
Banned
So the 4070 is weaker than a 3090?
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amigastar
Member
when it comes to energy consumption then yes.
DLSS 3 should give the 4070 a good boost in FPS. But i don't think the 4070 is faster than 3090.
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Elder Legend
Banned
I see, thanks.
amigastar
Member
Just one thing i want to add, seeing comparisons between 4070 Ti and 3090 it is a good possibility that 4070 will stand its ground against the 3090.
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Unknown Soldier
Member
People actually thought Nvidia would just lower prices to how they were before scalping LMAO
It will be a huge upgrade over the 1660 Ti. My 1660 Ti could barely play some of the latest titles even in 1080p. I guess it depends how close the performance of this card will be to the 4070 Ti
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You hope it's 600$ ?!
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 to retail at $599 - VideoCardz.com
GeForce RTX 4070 MSRP to match RTX 3070 Ti The RTX 4070 to be $200 cheaper than the RTX 4070 Ti. The company has reportedly settled on RTX 4070 non-Ti SKU price at $599. This information was confirmed during a press briefing, which usually takes place before each launch. Reviewers are now...videocardz.com
I hope it's true...
Which means 700$ from retailers,
which means 800 euro lol because fuck europe.
600 for a mid range is a joke man.
And we already know that 12gb is barely scraping it nowadays... Imo there should be no cards with less than 16gb
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crackajack
Member
Thanks crypto "entrepeneurs"!
Used is the way to go it seems, and praying that without warranty the card won't die too soon.
Absolutely bonkers that the 1650 is still their entry level card, or 3060 if former GTS prices are now entry, and those kind of suck even more than those insanely priced newer 40 cards.
Used is the way to go it seems, and praying that without warranty the card won't die too soon.
Absolutely bonkers that the 1650 is still their entry level card, or 3060 if former GTS prices are now entry, and those kind of suck even more than those insanely priced newer 40 cards.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
I'm not crazy about high prices either, but is this card really that out of line? I mean adjusted for inflation the 1080ti was $749, and the 4070 is 3 times as powerfull.........
Plus your probably still going to sell that 1080i for $200 making the new card $399 to triple your performance........not completely horrible.
The 1080ti was flagship at the time if I remember right. Your 3x as powerful is meaningless here because you've used advancement there to compensate for price increases in the low-mid range. The flagship today is far more powerfull than the 1080ti.
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Ya. That bus sucks. I understand is hard to shrink memory controllers but it should be at least 256 bit or go with stacked ram.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
You hope the next card is also overpriced?
Buggy Loop
Member
So anyway
Putting this card into Richard from Digital Foundry’s build with a 5600 rather than 12400k build is roughly $1000 PC
Putting this card into Richard from Digital Foundry’s build with a 5600 rather than 12400k build is roughly $1000 PC
Schmendrick
Member
edit: pointless
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supernova8
Banned
I guess people were expecting AMD to massively undercut them. Problem is that people somehow still buy Nvidia so AMD probably thought "fuck it why should we have to undercut".People actually thought Nvidia would just lower prices to how they were before scalping LMAO
Kenpachii
Member
both ceo's are related towards eachother. Big change its a push to up the prices on GPU and then competition starts again.
It's a joke.
prinz_valium
Member
Would be a great card for $399
Buggy Loop
Member
Seems like quite a few people in this thread pretend that inflation doesn't exist
Crazy silicon wafer prices and TSMC premium taxes, this cards actually falls down quite close to earth compared to Ampere series. +$100 the 3070 (of course it was almost never at that price)
But 4000 series baseline have much beefier cooling solutions that would typically have a premium adder on AIBs in the past
It’s maybe expensive, but we’re not at 4080 stupid levels
Hot5pur
Member
I comfortably play all games at 4k 60 with DLSS (which looks nearly identical) with a 3080 10 GB.
For lower resolution this would be plenty even without DLSS. So not sure where this "we need 16 GB" is coming from.
Seems the 4070 may come in around a 3080 in performance and will be a decent 4k card. Accounting for inflation this may have been closer to $500. Basically inflation chewed up the performance to price gain of this new generation. With the 4070ti and above that is just pure fleecing.
If I was thinking about gaming in 2023 I would 100% go with a PS5 or Xbox. PC ports are often shit anyway. The benefits of PC gaming are cheap keys on day 1 and free online. Also some games are better with m/kb and peripheral flexibility. I also use the PC for 3D modeling and other stuff.
RagnarokIV
Member
looks like I'll need to switch to AMD once my 3070 is no longer viable
GreatnessRD
Member
Won't lie, I'm actually surprised Nvidia didn't go the Mooreslawisdead route and make it $750 like King Goofy said it was gonna be. $600 is still atrocious. $549 would've been the sweet spot in my opinion. $499 really, but we know they gotta up the price. I'm sure AMD is just fine chugging alone at their pace of being #2, but they better stop bluffin' because Intel is slowly creeping behind them. Just don't buy all this wild shit, folks. We'd get the correct prices if people had patience.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
My 3080 10gb is showing vram limits in two or three games. Fps is fine with 4k and dlss. Raw 4k is starting to struggle in few games
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Yep. 2GB VRAM extra and they cut down the memory bus versus the 3080, just like the 4070ti.
That’s because they want you upgrading again in two years.
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Raw 4K you still match an $850 4070ti in some games. I think 3080 even beats it in a couple.
DaGwaphics
Member
The 4000 series has more on chip cache so they have backed down the memory bus just like AMD did. Seems like there would still be situations where the wider bus would be preferable though.
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Von Hugh
Member
Seems like quite a few people in this thread pretend that inflation doesn't exist
Inflation of 100 percent in a span of 24 months?
Buggy Loop
Member
Which games?
RagnarokIV
Member
Yeah, the 970 was good but the 1070 was a total banger. Still people using it now to great effect.
Last of its kind.
DaGwaphics
Member
Isn't this only 20% more expensive than the last one?
manfestival
Member
it is pretty amazing that we have reached a $600 MIDrange product. To think at one point I had stood my ground on $300. Post Crypto boon is wild.
Von Hugh
Member
3080 had the same performance 2 and a half years ago with the same price.
Also, in reality, in retail, it will be even more expensive.
hinch7
Member
Until you realise that how cut down this AD104 configuration is to have the exact core count as last gen's GA104, with less ROPS. Where they would naturally give you higher specs gen on gen. They are selling you smaller dies for hyper inflated costs and you are only netting performance increases from the higher clocks and the small cache. Actually went backwards in some ways with lower bus and less ROP's.
If AMD can offer higher specs per tier, even at inflated prices.. the specs should at least be better.
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here are some power measurements, it's gpu only but unless you have overclocked the hell out of your cpu and have alot of drives and usb devices attached the rest of your system shouldn't be going over 300 watts and even that's a bit high. What is your current psu?
edit: just saw you don't know what the psu is, no unless you have something like a corsair i series psu with usb header attached you can't see it's output capacity with software.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Resident evil games and tlou.
Buggy Loop
Member
The RE2, 3, village have no problem with your card, whatever they report in-game is bullcrap. You can push that game to max with a 3080.
In menu VRAM predicts 12GB and you end up with 7.8GB allocated and 6.2 GB usage. RE engine is bonkers for these predictions
Same with RE 3, 15GB predicted in the menu
So i hope you didn't tweak down the game based on menu predictions. Get the real usage VRAM overlay in afterburner if you don't have it already.
RE4 only has a memory leak with RT on, otherwise you can max it.
TLOU has memory leak from the get go and is in the list of tasks for future patch.
So not bad, two recent bugged games.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
While I understand that one may have been a flagship at the time, saying the power level is meaningless is wrong as we will always need to take in to consideration the market, component costs, and actual power level to determine value.
I can concede that the value level is lower, however it's not quite as bad as what is being implied. (acting like it's 5x as much or something) The fact is it's still a very powerful card and is comparable to other hardware on the market at that price point today. (some would even say cheaper than the competition for overall power)
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Village is fine but re2, re3 and re4 will crash on maxed settings with rt because of vram.The RE2, 3, village have no problem with your card, whatever they report in-game is bullcrap. You can push that game to max with a 3080.
In menu VRAM predicts 12GB and you end up with 7.8GB allocated and 6.2 GB usage. RE engine is bonkers for these predictions
Same with RE 3, 15GB predicted in the menu
So i hope you didn't tweak down the game based on menu predictions. Get the real usage VRAM overlay in afterburner if you don't have it already.
RE4 only has a memory leak with RT on, otherwise you can max it.
TLOU has memory leak from the get go and is in the list of tasks for future patch.
So not bad, two recent bugged games.
I am using dedicated vram overlay. it's going overboard and crashing atm bout 9700mb used.
Satansblade
Banned
That is a fair price if the card meets the standard expected from the xx70 series.
This was my original plan to build a pc, before I was offered a large bonus to switch airlines after my last contract ended. I splurged and bought a 4090, but no way I would have spent that much normally for a gpu. The price of modern high end cards are absurd, but this price is fair***. Hell, my travel gaming laptop has a 3070ti, and thats laptop form, and it’s still a beast.
***If it performs within reason during testing.
This was my original plan to build a pc, before I was offered a large bonus to switch airlines after my last contract ended. I splurged and bought a 4090, but no way I would have spent that much normally for a gpu. The price of modern high end cards are absurd, but this price is fair***. Hell, my travel gaming laptop has a 3070ti, and thats laptop form, and it’s still a beast.
***If it performs within reason during testing.
Satansblade
Banned
The problem is that the better the tech gets, the less viable chips they produce. As die shrinks, the failure rate goes up. I don’t know what the failure rate is for 4090, but I expect its very high, and costly. I don’t completely understand it, but im guessing the process for creating less powerful chipsets is quite a bit more successful, therefore cheaper.
It’s been a while since I heard it talked about, but I know failure rates on high end hardware production we’re getting worse. Imagine the increased cost if half or more of your silicon could never make it to market?
kvltus lvlzvs
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Yes, after careful review and much contemplation I have concluded that gpu threads are, in fact, the pc version of console war threads.