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After they have been doing a lot to accomodate diversity in the style RPGs usually allow you to and even more than that their 'point' still stands, because it's never enough. Unless they bend to every little whim, a luxury expected from a company that has already bent the knee, they will not be happy.

Which is why CDPR should do their thing and ignore further calls or they'll make it worse.
What personally irks me is every time a company sets out to be inclusive and accommodating is that somehow there's still work to be done. Goalposts seem to be shifting all the time. What more can someone do.

Are there really an endless amount of disabilities, genders, identities, races and preferences that a studio can realistically be expected to incorporate into their game. All the while ensuring that perspectives and opinions come from the lived experiences of people who identify as trans or have a disability or are a person of colour.

Where does the line get drawn that you have to figure "this is a good thing, some representation is better than nothing" rather than this screeching rhetoric that nothing is ever good or accommodating enough.

It comes as no shock to me that many users of that site are miserable, they have constant impossible standards that can never be met. Rather than identifying that the issue lies with the individual, it is instead the fault of a company who are constrained by both time and budget who would never realistically or reliably meet said standards.

At some point, they have to realise that the unfortunate reality is conforming to every possible demand is simply impossible and maybe we should view any attempt at being more inclusive as a "win".

And, as you rightly say. At some point its better to just crack on and silently go about doing your thing rather than to try and please a minority of under-stimulated, over opinionated arseholes.
 

Allforce

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I'm really hoping that there's a "problematic" character in the upcoming bomb Destruction All Stars for the PS5.

How would they react to their resident professional shill and Ree founder shinobi being involved? Would he get run off like he was here when he hyped Mass Effect Andromeda to the moon with "exclusive access" and it turned into the biggest meme generator of the year?
 

nush

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That's negative coverage though right? I read the whole piece as sarcastic
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notseqi

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What personally irks me is every time a company sets out to be inclusive and accommodating is that somehow there's still work to be done. Goalposts seem to be shifting all the time. What more can someone do.

Are there really an endless amount of disabilities, genders, identities, races and preferences that a studio can realistically be expected to incorporate into their game. All the while ensuring that perspectives and opinions come from the lived experiences of people who identify as trans or have a disability or are a person of colour.

Where does the line get drawn that you have to figure "this is a good thing, some representation is better than nothing" rather than this screeching rhetoric that nothing is ever good or accommodating enough.

It comes as no shock to me that many users of that site are miserable, they have constant impossible standards that can never be met. Rather than identifying that the issue lies with the individual, it is instead the fault of a company who are constrained by both time and budget who would never realistically or reliably meet said standards.

At some point, they have to realise that the unfortunate reality is conforming to every possible demand is simply impossible and maybe we should view any attempt at being more inclusive as a "win".

And, as you rightly say. At some point its better to just crack on and silently go about doing your thing rather than to try and please a minority of under-stimulated, over opinionated arseholes.
My problem is how the forced variety entails countless hours of work to cater for the decisions you made in the character creation screen and they are shitting all over it.

Even worse, having every niggle accounted for probably doesn't help the writing as it detracts from what story was going to be told vs. what we're getting in the end. The blandest stories are the ones decided by committee.
 

GymWolf

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this thread is some insane shit right here. so this thread was started because they want to cancel a voice actor for liking a tweet from Kirstie Alley which is somewhat critical of BLM.

thread was bumped this morning by these dudes all celebrating the deplatforming of this woman

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when i say "dudes" i literally mean all these accounts celebrating a woman losing her job for not being woke enough have their genders listed as male

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so... yeah... this is feminism in 2020, a bunch of dudes on a video game forum literally calling women pieces of shit

oh and here's the kicker. this "piece of shit" actually does work to help the homeless and sex trafficking vitcims.

they bring it up because they want to use her words from an interview about her charity work to show she is a hypocrite (or something? i guess if you help homeless people that doesn't matter if you like the wrong Tweet?)

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take a guess!


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You have to be a very special kind of retarded to be happy that ronda rousey got the job instead...that bitch would probably fail to decently dub an amatorial porn...
 
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Ymir

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You have to be a very special kind of retarded to be happy that ronda rousey got the job instead...that bitch would probably fail to decently dub an amatorial porn...
Because none of this stuff they have a vested interest in, none of the people whining about cyberpunk had any intention of ever buying the game. Hell, most of them admit that they don't even play games. So they don't care about the final product or whether it's well done, all they care about is forming a hate mob and attacking and cancelling others.
 

Nameless

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Cyberpunk features a full range of trans representation, from the option to play a trans MC, to trans NPCs/Quest givers, down to the world's intentionally seedy in-game advertising exploiting well endowed trans women right alongside the typical [comically] big tittied cis women to push cheap consumer goods.

Most significantly, making Hollie Bennett the face of the marketing push for one of the most anticipated pieces of media of all time, and giving her real power to spur change from within the company does more by itself for trans acceptance and the overall movement than Resetera ever will. But, of course, she will continue to be ignored, just like all the trans folks saying, "Fuck JK Rowling and she doesn't get to rob me of Harry Potter by being a shit person".

That's why Kyuuji's recent threadmark patting her self on the back while rationalizing the lack of traction this has gotten as a "win", was so absurd and so frustrating to read. You're not only trying to sabotage real, tangible, beautiful, progress, but you're demonizing one of the few companies out there actually putting their time, money, resources, reputation, and platform where their mouth is in pursuit of driving positive change. Fuck off.
 

#Phonepunk#

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lol they really love this quote. second time ive seen this today

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no idea who this NOT A WOLF guy is, i looked at his Twitter.

is it really a surprise that one of their "thought leaders" is an always online irony poisoned TDS infected moron who posts his takes in all caps?

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Cyberpunk features a full range of trans representation, from the option to play a trans MC, to trans NPCs/Quest givers, down to the world's intentionally seedy in-game advertising exploiting well endowed trans women right alongside the typical [comically] big tittied cis women to push cheap consumer goods.

Most significantly, making Hollie Bennett the face of the marketing push for one of the most anticipated pieces of media of all time, and giving her real power to spur change from within the company

I could be misunderstanding your post, but:

1. How is Hollie Bennett relevant to the trans controversy?
2. Detail a shingle instance where CDPR has had transphobic behaviour. Change from within? Please show that change from within is necessary.
3. Please Show that Hollie wants to push for "change from within".

does more by itself for trans acceptance and the overall movement than Resetera ever will. But, of course, she will continue to be ignored, just like all the trans folks saying, "Fuck JK Rowling and she doesn't get to rob me of Harry Potter by being a shit person".

Am I getting this right?
So trans people who say "Fuck JK Rowling and she doesn't get to rob me of Harry Potter by being a shit person" should not be ignored?

I agree. Resentful stupidity should not be ignored.

That's why Kyuuji's recent threadmark patting her self on the back while rationalizing the lack of traction this has gotten as a "win", was so absurd and so frustrating to read.

It's an act of supreme cowardice from her, because she knows her claims will be met with no opposition, if only because the mods will ban any.

Let anyone post transphobia accusations against CDPR here and I can guarantee it'll be a different matter altogether.

You're not only trying to sabotage real, tangible, beautiful, progress,

Such as?

but you're demonizing one of the few companies out there actually putting their time, money, resources, reputation, and platform where their mouth is in pursuit of driving positive change. Fuck off.

I do think transgenderism makes perfect sense in Cyberpunk 2077. It befits the game. That's why I welcome the inclusion. It's not because I'm a juvenile and think it's incumbent upon Games to change the world in the slightest. If your views on transgenderism can be swayed by a videogame set in a fictional universe in a dystopian future, you very likely hadn't thought them though, had you?

But maybe I'm misunderstanding your entire post.
 

cormack12

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lol they really love this quote. second time ive seen this today

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no idea who this NOT A WOLF guy is, i looked at his Twitter.

is it really a surprise that one of their "thought leaders" is an always online irony poisoned TDS infected moron who posts his takes in all caps?

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How does that shit get 880 likes?
 

#Phonepunk#

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love the dramatics. PLACE YOUR HEROES TENDER NECK UPON....

.. yeah yeah buddy,so let me get this straight, you're "hero" that is causing you to yell in all caps about sacrificing people on an altar.... that guy is just the guy who made the Jet Set Radio soundtrack... literally 20 years ago?
 
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I think the whole site would implode if someone hosted a giveaway thread just for CP 2077 like they tend to do with big releases. Just imagine.
 

Dav-Kripler

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They have so much beef with Contrapoints.
I am learning this 😳 figures they would reach for the "I feel personally attacked" button when someone who does their research and articulates their argument thoughtfully is considered an enemy of the community. I read the twitter thread they reference and all I can say is ....eh? 🤷
 

Dav-Kripler

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Dare I ask who or what Contrapoints is?
Contrapoints is a commentary channel that tackles social issues in a very stylistic and funny way. The amount of thought put into the videos is impressive and for whatever reason it really pisses era off. Apparently she/they is anti-binary? Maybe someone here can explain the outrage in a mature way because I'm totally lost and they don't seem bothered to try.
 

#Phonepunk#

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wait a minute, how can Kyuu have any opinion on this, since they identify as She/Her and as a Female.

isn't that.... one of the binaries? as in male and female. you know, the two binary sexes?
Apparently she/they is anti-binary?
wuuut???

how the fuck does that make any sense? dressing like a woman, calling yourself she, and identifying as female, and somehow you are "NON" binary?

dude that is some mental gymnastics shit i've never heard of. i thought non binary was like, Zir, Zhe, or whatever. you know. things NOT in the trad binary.

none of this shit makes any goddamn sense
 

Ymir

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LOL, the usual mentally ill screeching about it


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I love all the people ignore them to say how amazing this is and how they wish the game was already out lol


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nush

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Contrapoints is a commentary channel that tackles social issues in a very stylistic and funny way. The amount of thought put into the videos is impressive and for whatever reason it really pisses era off. Apparently she/they is anti-binary? Maybe someone here can explain the outrage in a mature way because I'm totally lost and they don't seem bothered to try.

She does not say what they want her to say. Oh and she has a ten second voice over by Buck Angel a trans man they also hate for speaking common sense about trans.
 

notseqi

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Bit bold of them calling other people garbage.

no idea who this NOT A WOLF guy is, i looked at his Twitter.

is it really a surprise that one of their "thought leaders" is an always online irony poisoned TDS infected moron who posts his takes in all caps?

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Caps Lock is cruise control for cool.
 
Contrapoints is a commentary channel that tackles social issues in a very stylistic and funny way. The amount of thought put into the videos is impressive and for whatever reason it really pisses era off. Apparently she/they is anti-binary? Maybe someone here can explain the outrage in a mature way because I'm totally lost and they don't seem bothered to try.

Contrapoints once tweeted something along the lines of cringing or not liking announcing her pronounce in social groups, NB's got mad at that. She also used Buck Angel as a voice actor in one of her vids, a trans man who doesn't believe that non-binary is a thing.

Neither of them really did anything wrong, but somehow it's a huge deal.
 
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#Phonepunk#

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the ironic truth is there are probably conservative trans out there whose voices are ENTIRELY ignored by the lunatics holding the megaphone. these people go on about how it isn't a choice, it's just random genetics. if so then certainly there should be probably as many conservative trans as there are liberal.

in fact, can you imagine anyone more oppressed than a conservative trans person? there must be millions of them out there, maybe in the closet, maybe not. but without a doubt their voices are drowned out and erased by the far left.

but, like black folks, you can only hold certain opinions and be considered "authentic" by your white allies. who are totally not racist, of course not. (but they might call you racist names when you are acting like a Uncle Tom (again they vote Dem, therefore, cant be racist!))

it is it's own kind of ideological bigotry
 
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Dav-Kripler

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Contrapoints once tweeted something along the lines of cringing or not liking announcing her pronounce in social groups, NB's got mad at that. She also used Buck Angel as a voice actor in one of her vids, a trans man who doesn't believe that non-binary is a thing.

Neither of them really did anything wrong, but somehow it's a huge deal.
Thanks for clarifying. I guess I see why that thread is so hostile. They really are just ready to take up arms at a moment's notice, huh?
Conclusion : I'm too old for this shit 😅🤕
 
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