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Yeah, no. Your take on what radical feminism is off kilter. No feminist or sane women under this earth would agree with you that the womens primary role is to produce babies,
are you proposing a different way to propogate the species? if not then how do we survive past a single generation? kind of a silly question.

feminists of the 1960s-70s didn't think women SHOULD be doing that. they criticized it. as unpaid domestic labor. labor is important to them, especially the socialists. it is the true signifies of power. Woman as Class was born. they did all this work for no pay. labor including the only known way to perpetuate the species and yet THEY are charged by the hospitals, and don't see any money for their labor. Woman as Class was a wage slave all her own, chained to her role as Mother even before birth, giving of her body and mind to the life growing inside of her 24/7 for 3/4 a year. then afterwards as a housewive chained to the home as husband goes off to (imagined) freedom. all of this is traditional work that women did, they did not get paid for it, they worked all day for free, while the man got money. thus the socialist feminist argues, this is pure economic exploitation and in one way forced labor (they don't really have a choice). stereotype or not, the inherited roles of femininity were central to 2nd wave feminism. read the Feminine Mystique, the book that started modern feminism. she is all about ranting about feminine stereotypes:

The problem lay buried, unspoken, for many years in the minds of American women. It was a strange stirring, a sense of dissatisfaction, a yearning that women suffered in the middle of the twentieth century in the United States. Each suburban wife struggled with it alone. As she made the beds, shopped for groceries, matched slipcover material, ate peanut butter sandwiches with her children, chauffeured Cub Scouts and Brownies, lay beside her husband at night--she was afraid to ask even of herself the silent question--"Is this all?"

For over fifteen years there was no word of this yearning in the millions of words written about women, for women, in all the columns, books and articles by experts telling women their role was to seek fulfillment as wives and mothers. Over and over women heard in voices of tradition and of Freudian sophistication that they could desire--no greater destiny than to glory in their own femininity. Experts told them how to catch a man and keep him, how to breastfeed children and handle their toilet training, how to cope with sibling rivalry and adolescent rebellion; how to buy a dishwasher, bake bread, cook gourmet snails, and build a swimming pool with their own hands; how to dress, look, and act more feminine and make marriage more exciting; how to keep their husbands from dying young and their sons from growing into delinquents. They were taught to pity the neurotic, unfeminine, unhappy women who wanted to be poets or physicists or presidents. They learned that truly feminine women do not want careers, higher education, political rights--the independence and the opportunities that the old-fashioned feminists fought for. Some women, in their forties and fifties, still remembered painfully giving up those dreams, but most of the younger women no longer even thought about them. A thousand expert voices applauded their femininity, their adjustment, their new maturity. All they had to do was devote their lives from earliest girlhood to finding a husband and bearing children.

By the end of the nineteen-fifties, the average marriage age of women in America dropped to 20, and was still dropping, into the teens. Fourteen million girls were engaged by 17. The proportion of women attending college in comparison with men dropped fro m 47 per cent in 1920 to 35 per cent in 1958. A century earlier, women had fought for higher education; now girls went to college to get a husband. By the mid-fifties, 60 per cent dropped out of college to marry, or because they were afraid too much education would be a marriage bar. Colleges built dormitories for "married students," but the students were almost always the husbands. A new degree was instituted for the wives--"Ph.T." (Putting Husband Through).

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If I am right, the problem that has no name stirring in the minds of so many American women today is not a matter of loss of femininity or too much education, or the demands of domesticity. It is far more important than anyone recognizes. It is the key to these other new and old problems which have been torturing women and their husbands and children, and puzzling their doctors and educators for years. It may well be the key to our future as a nation and a culture. We can no longer ignore that voice within women that says: "I want something more than my husband and my children and my home."

the 1960s brought The Pill and sex without consequences meant women had more power. babies could no longer hold them back. by the 1970s feminism was mainstream and they were competitors to men rather than co-workers. alienated from one another by this ideology, they had to both work jobs because their wealth was being shipped overseas (by the same people pushing feminism), leaving the Latch Key Kid generation to grow up without parents for most of their young lives. instead, they were raised at school, at the mall, in the subdivision, by their peers, by the system. perhaps their parents are right wing and into the 2nd amendment and their teachers and classmates - the culture - laugh at them and say "your parents are morons". they want to fit in, they think that it is true. besides, we have the internet (LOL), who needs generational knowledge? there is a marked generational difference from how families interacted during this era and the one before it. with how the present interacted with the past. the ideology turns people against their families from the start -- look at Betty thinking of "something more" than children and home -- and see where it has taken us as of 2020.

this book was written in 1963. have the feminists found something better than children and home?

imo the nuclear family is underrated.

more explicitly socialist feminism from 1978:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Patriarchy_and_the_Case_for_Socialist_Feminism#:~:text=Capitalist Patriarchy and the Case for Socialist Feminism is a,the socialist-feminist position".

at any rate i feel like all the oldschool feminism i just posted above is mostly rendered entirely irrelevant by the gender madness of idpol feminism.
 
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Yeah that person has gone off the deep end in my opinion. She is also in the feedback thread blasting the mods for not banning discussion on the Hogwarts game and JK Rowling in general. Which I would be fine with banning JK topics because the precedent has already been set with people like Boogie and Joe Rogan, but banning discussion about the game is lunacy. Warner Bros has already come out and publicly stated that JK Rowling is not directly involved with the project. So at most she is just going to receive basic royalties off of it and if people wanna boycott for that reason that's fine with me.


But I draw the line at banning discussion about the game. Especially since she isn't even involved with it beyond it using her IP as a starting point. If she was the lead narrative director or something then yeah I could at least understand the sentiment, but she's not. It's stupid.
Yeah thats like a constant thing on ERA
 

Paasei

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I have been trying to get banned from there for a while. I even turned that goal into a game with rules:
- Not too obvious by shitposting/trolling
- If I reply on something I have to properly explain my reasoning.
- Don't post too much to make it too easy for them.

I'm surprised how hard this game is considering how easy it was for others to get banned for something they didn't agree with.
An update of my own post above. It finally happened. Took them around 3 years, but at least the game is over.

Why did I get banned you might ask? I got banned for having less than 200 posts, which automatically makes me (or my account) a troll account.
 
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I have an idea, hear me out. We (GAF) should each buy two copies of Hogwarts and donate one to an ERA member. We can bring balance to the gaming forums wars.
Yeah, no. Your take on what radical feminism is off kilter. No feminist or sane women under this earth would agree with you that the womens primary role is to produce babies, and J.K bringing up biological womens child rearing capabilities was to separate biology from gender. Anyway I'm not looking to debate feminism since clearly they are the ones being attacked for defending their womanhood, just they literally have next to 0 influence in these gender debates which is sad. That's why you almost never hear stories about the females who transition into men, because males have taken all of the spotlight in the gender debate.
It’s almost like women are being mainsplained away from feminism by transvestites
 
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Yeah all that stuff about buying the game and donating $70 to alleviate guilt is fucking stupid. If you're gonna buy the game, give the middle finger to the mob. You're only doing it to appease them, probably won't do it anyway and undermining the whole principle of the movement. If anything shows privilege it's trying to buy indemnity for a vice that goes against your principles. If it matters that much to you - the cause - then not playing one video game is not a big deal. Your principles are only tested when it's something that is hard to give up.

Trying to bundle themselves in with those who are actually sticking to their principles (however daft), is proper disingenuous and I'd be pissed off if people were trying to claim that glory. But hey, these people think they are part of BLM because they donate $5 and retweet propaganda tweets so 🤷‍♂️
 

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It's really funny when you put it like this, there's a character creation process where you can choose to be:

A) A male
B) A female


Yet you choose to get pissed because you can't choose to be a man pretending to be a woman? If you really were transgender and thought of yourself as a female, you would just play the female character and shut the fuck up.

All they really want is to feel like they are part of a minority to either be represented or bitch about media. Convincing people of being "transgender" "non binary" "pansexual" etc in an online forum/twitter is just the easiest way to get that sweet sweet attention. I'm willing to bet there are plenty of actual transgender and minority users in online forums that barely talk about it because it doesn't define their entire existence, and it shouldn't.

Fucking hell, I'm part of a minority and IDGAF.
 
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Oops, logic - inconvenient truth. If the second hand market didn't exist, then maybe that person wouldn't pick the game up at all. So many hypotheticals just to weasel a way to still play the game but be acceped by the mob.

 
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I love how Era boycotting Harry Potter but if anyone mentions need to boycot PS5 as well as it's being produced by Muslim concentration camps.

I guess transvestites being offended is more harmful than Muslim concentration camps.
 

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Oops, logic - inconvenient truth. If the second hand market didn't exist, then maybe that person wouldn't pick the game up at all. So many hypotheticals just to weasel a way to still play the game but be acceped by the mob.

I've never seen a contract for a licensed game or licensed content that has a per unit sold royalty. It's an upfront cost to use the license for a set period of time.

You'd think with all the verified "Devs" on Ree someone would have told them that.
 

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For most people it's the fact that she will be making money off of the project and they don't want to give money to someone who is transphobic. That or they believe that the game doing well means the IP improves which gives her a larger public platform to share her views.
I'm still searching for the solution to the mystery of why JK Rowling should be transphobic.

You can't just insult and accuse other people just because you can't handle it yourself when other people have a different opinion (which happens to be based on facts). This constant gaslighting and pretending personal assumptions are facts is just sick. I have the feeling that most people suffer from something like viewphobia, which means having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people with other opinions. This is the true new sickness of our society.
 

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I've never seen a contract for a licensed game or licensed content that has a per unit sold royalty. It's an upfront cost to use the license for a set period of time.

You'd think with all the verified "Devs" on Ree someone would have told them that.
They watch too much friends

Joey: Oh, yeah. Check this out. For every dollar Shutterspeed makes, one penny of it goes right in Joey's pocket.
 
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I'm still searching for the solution to the mystery of why JK Rowling should be transphobic.

You can't just insult and accuse other people just because you can't handle it yourself when other people have a different opinion (which happens to be based on facts). This constant gaslighting and pretending personal assumptions are facts is just sick. I have the feeling that most people suffer from something like viewphobia, which means having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people with other opinions. This is the true new sickness of our society.
Her opinions are not really that out there. In fact I would guess that her opinions are probably pretty mainstream. But she is willing to air them on social media, she is high profile and she refuses to back down. And the more she refuses to back down, the angrier they get and longer the list of trumped charges becomes until we get to the point where she is being unironically compared to Hitler and accused of the murder of trans-children. They just cannot abide someone with clout publicly denying the idea that transwomen are THE SAME THING as ciswomen in all respects. That is an article of faith for them, it is where the whole ultra-woke trans suite of ideas flows from, it's how they can justify calling themselves women when they don't have dysmorphia, they haven't had any treatment, they aren't sexually attracted to men etc. If that idea is defeated then so is their whole identity so they can't just let it be, it's personal for them. So I kinda get it. But the root of the problem is not what JK Rowling says, it's the flawed logic in the underlying position. It's the emperor's new clothes and Rowling is the one that is saying the emperor is naked,
 

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That is an article of faith for them, it is where the whole ultra-woke trans suite of ideas flows from, it's how they can justify calling themselves women when they don't have dysmorphia, they haven't had any treatment, they aren't sexually attracted to men etc
FUCKING THIS!

AKA Trans-trenders who make up 90% of the damn entitled failure actual "Men in dresses" that are a detriment and an embarrassment to the real trans community.
 

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Saw someone there that classified himself as a he/them, wtf is that supposed to be? You're a he when it suits you and you are nothing when it doesn't?
 

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It's really funny when you put it like this, there's a character creation process where you can choose to be:

A) A male
B) A female


Yet you choose to get pissed because you can't choose to be a man pretending to be a woman? If you really were transgender and thought of yourself as a female, you would just play the female character and shut the fuck up.

All they really want is to feel like they are part of a minority to either be represented or bitch about media. Convincing people of being "transgender" "non binary" "pansexual" etc in an online forum/twitter is just the easiest way to get that sweet sweet attention. I'm willing to bet there are plenty of actual transgender and minority users in online forums that barely talk about it because it doesn't define their entire existence, and it shouldn't.

Fucking hell, I'm part of a minority and IDGAF.
That's the entire thing. They go on and on about being "real" females, even going so far that they're attacking people who say there is a biological difference between someone who was actually born female, and those who are transgender. But then they whine about not being able to choose a trans option. What gives?

Look, I respect real transgender people and will adress them as their gender, no problem, I'm not the biggest asshole. But these transtrenders can fuck right off. They make the entire community a laughing stock, and do more harm this way.
 

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Excel I get because ethey do seem to have a big reach when it comes to their influence on other posters and mods, but I disagree about Kyuuji. If you actually go look at the Hogwarts threads it's most just her being really loud to nobody in particular. She keeps posting that same link on every new page and nobody is responding to her and she keeps quoting other people, but once again most people aren't responding back. Those who do only do so once or twice and then give up.


She basically just that threads equivalent of yelling at the clouds. It reminds of Banshee and their crusades against no one in particular.
Excel knows when and where to yell on the site to get what she wants, Kyuuji yells at everything until something works. The site doesn't have the balls to ban discussion on AAA games so they're not gonna listen to her now. But both spam the report button like crazy as well as post ban bait and get loads of people banned,

And J.K being one of the only people to talk about it and how a lot of them are detransitioning. But the media doesn't tell you that story.
There were some interesting detransition stories on the Benjamin Boyce podcast, I wonder why they turn a blind eye to these stories because someone figuring out that they aren't actually trans doesn't hurt other transgenders.

That's the entire thing. They go on and on about being "real" females, even going so far that they're attacking people who say there is a biological difference between someone who was actually born female, and those who are transgender. But then they whine about not being able to choose a trans option. What gives?

Look, I respect real transgender people and will adress them as their gender, no problem, I'm not the biggest asshole. But these transtrenders can fuck right off. They make the entire community a laughing stock, and do more harm this way.
They're the worst assholes, they end up just making a joke out of the trans community and by extension the whole LGBT community whilst parading around as some heroes.
 

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are you proposing a different way to propogate the species? if not then how do we survive past a single generation? kind of a silly question.

feminists of the 1960s-70s didn't think women SHOULD be doing that. they criticized it. as unpaid domestic labor. labor is important to them, especially the socialists. it is the true signifies of power. Woman as Class was born. they did all this work for no pay. labor including the only known way to perpetuate the species and yet THEY are charged by the hospitals, and don't see any money for their labor. Woman as Class was a wage slave all her own, chained to her role as Mother even before birth, giving of her body and mind to the life growing inside of her 24/7 for 3/4 a year. then afterwards as a housewive chained to the home as husband goes off to (imagined) freedom. all of this is traditional work that women did, they did not get paid for it, they worked all day for free, while the man got money. thus the socialist feminist argues, this is pure economic exploitation and in one way forced labor (they don't really have a choice). stereotype or not, the inherited roles of femininity were central to 2nd wave feminism. read the Feminine Mystique, the book that started modern feminism. she is all about ranting about feminine stereotypes:



the 1960s brought The Pill and sex without consequences meant women had more power. babies could no longer hold them back. by the 1970s feminism was mainstream and they were competitors to men rather than co-workers. alienated from one another by this ideology, they had to both work jobs because their wealth was being shipped overseas (by the same people pushing feminism), leaving the Latch Key Kid generation to grow up without parents for most of their young lives. instead, they were raised at school, at the mall, in the subdivision, by their peers, by the system. perhaps their parents are right wing and into the 2nd amendment and their teachers and classmates - the culture - laugh at them and say "your parents are morons". they want to fit in, they think that it is true. besides, we have the internet (LOL), who needs generational knowledge? there is a marked generational difference from how families interacted during this era and the one before it. with how the present interacted with the past. the ideology turns people against their families from the start -- look at Betty thinking of "something more" than children and home -- and see where it has taken us as of 2020.

this book was written in 1963. have the feminists found something better than children and home?

imo the nuclear family is underrated.

more explicitly socialist feminism from 1978:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Patriarchy_and_the_Case_for_Socialist_Feminism#:~:text=Capitalist Patriarchy and the Case for Socialist Feminism is a,the socialist-feminist position".

at any rate i feel like all the oldschool feminism i just posted above is mostly rendered entirely irrelevant by the gender madness of idpol feminism.
You drop so much insight into this thread. We are not worthy.
 

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When politics have become the new religion for people then you have people like on era trying to be ‘saints’, virtue signaling to feel good about themselves and playing ‘holy warrior’ for their sjw causes.

It’s a religion but politics. It’s how I see it anyway.
 
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Would love to ask on era “if trans is sex appropriation? “
Christ would love to see that happen. Be an insta-perm but would be so funny to see people lose their minds over it.

Wouldn't even be trolling if you said trans-trenders.

The in fighting would be glorious.
 

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Also, what are trans options in a character creator, you can already pick whatever gender you want.
They'll only be satisfied when there's an option that says "in transition" complete with pronouns and a three part disclaimer that's displayed in the HUD at all times. When they play multiplayer other players need to accept the disclaimer first and only then are they able to talk to you but you aren't able to talk back.

It's only reasonable. :)
 
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"Are drag queens appropriating the lived experience of mtf trans?"
I believe there was a trans pride or a gay pride or something where drag queens and transvestites were banned because transgenders felt they were mocking transgenderism. I'm not sure if the ban actually went through but I do remember people saying they wanted it.
 

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I believe there was a trans pride or a gay pride or something where drag queens and transvestites were banned because transgenders felt they were mocking transgenderism. I'm not sure if the ban actually went through but I do remember people saying they wanted it.
It's quite sad. They're insane people trapped by an insane ideology, conditioned to treat cognitive dissonance as "normal" and opposing opinions as "evil".
 

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I believe there was a trans pride or a gay pride or something where drag queens and transvestites were banned because transgenders felt they were mocking transgenderism. I'm not sure if the ban actually went through but I do remember people saying they wanted it.
Figures, a group of insecure men in dresses complaining about openly secure men in dresses.
 

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Oops, logic - inconvenient truth. If the second hand market didn't exist, then maybe that person wouldn't pick the game up at all. So many hypotheticals just to weasel a way to still play the game but be acceped by the mob.

The second buyer didn't buy it at launch for the original price, and perhaps never would. Rowling has been paid long in advance. Do they think stores deposit part of their cut to her bank account or something?

If everyone cancels the game, Rowling still laughs. But the publisher makes a loss and likely won't continue with the franchise.
 
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Fucking hell, I'm part of a minority and IDGAF.
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LOL yes money is the magickal substance that absolves your irredeemable sin of transphobia





some deeply held beliefs easily bought off
I want to see the recipets of doing this because I have good betting odds this will not happen and is fluff.
 

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It's quite sad. They're insane people trapped by an insane ideology, conditioned to treat cognitive dissonance as "normal" and opposing opinions as "evil".
Figures, a group of insecure men in dresses complaining about openly secure men in dresses.
Found a source knew I wasn't imagining it: https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/07/20/pride-event-bans-drag-queens-in-case-they-are-offensive/

It was back in 2015, somehow it never took off because there's still drag queens at prides.
 
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Successful Fantasy author that believed in Ayn Rynd's philosophy dies who apparently wasn't the nicest guy ever and Era is already doing their thing: