mckmas8808
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I wish 4 million people asked for a refund. CDPR shouldn't have allowed this game to be made on the PS4 and Xbox One.
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PSA: Sony is allowing refunds for digital purchases of Cyberpunk 2077 past the 2 hr limit. Also: Sony issues biz complaint against CDPR (unconfirmed).
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I wish 4 million people asked for a refund. CDPR shouldn't have allowed this game to be made on the PS4 and Xbox One.
namekuseijin
Banned
Cyberpunk really surpassed AC Unity and Fallout 76 as a broken mess at release?
Game is fine for me on the series x. I knew it would run like shit on base consoles hence I upgraded. Just like mordor ran like shit on the ps3 and 360. No story here except people who thought a game like this would be fine on 7 year old hardware. It was delayed how many times for base console performance. I'm glad they kept the scale and gave people an option to try it early on old consoles at their own risk with free upgrade when they do. A pc centric game runs poor on consoles holy shit shocking lol. I know this comes as a shock to a certain fan base who have had special treatment for 7 plus years. Where teams work overtime on their platform to the detriment of others that the reverse happened this time. Welcome to the other side!
TheDreadLord
Gold Member
It runs ok in SX and quality mode. So far no complains from my side. It is a very immersive game and I have been enjoying.
Von Hugh
Member
Can't remember AC Unity having non-existent AI, constant crashing and clipping at this level.
martino
Member
Lol, Pro+X is a reduced market. PS5 and XSX will have more units sold on 6 months than both mid upgrade system had on 4 years
So companies releases the games because the sales on base system
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SLB1904
Banned
This has to be a joke.
If they don't meet the expections, Sony has to ensure quality; it has more than 100 millions PS4 abroad and a reputation to back up.
Really? Nintendo seal of quality lmfao
MilkLizard
Member
Witcher 3 came out in 2015, not a decade ago. It ran fine on my base PS4 and I expected this to run more or less the same. Not too much to ask for IMO.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
This Sony offer goes hand and hand with CD's tweet about refunds.
Good on Sony and CDR accepting refunds on this unfinished game.
Good on Sony and CDR accepting refunds on this unfinished game.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The key draw is the Blade Runner setting since few games have that. If 2077 was an action/RPG where you go around in modern day shooting people with an AK47 nobody would care.
And since CD made Witcher 3, gamers expect 2077 to be awesome.
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YeulEmeralda
Member
Oh come on its bullshit CDPro you started development on this game when PS4 was new. You knew the specs you were targeting.
Arun1910
Member
Yeah AC Unity wasn't as bad as people remember. It had its fair share of bugs with quests and falling through the world but not as many bugs as Cyberpunk has.
Even the no faces bug for Unity was due to pirated copies of the game from memory.
Arun1910
Member
It isn't bullshit. Games stay in pre prod for a long time and with any Agile Development system, things can change over time.
Thats what I think happened. The scope of the project changed over the past 7 years, their targets shifted to newer hardware and they focused on that.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The game's first promo was a month before the PS4 reveal. So not only did they have PS4 specs to work with, they even had time to dabble with mid gen refreshes a few years later.
Instead, it looks like they (IMO) scrapped any base development at some point and focused on mid gen and next gen. That left base systems in the dust.
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YeulEmeralda
Member
They could have CANCELLED the PS4 version if they wanted to. But we all know why they did not.
EDMIX
Member
When I used to work at Home Depot in receiving in the back because I used to always fix the store's computers (and when I mean fix were talking about some pretty fucking easy shit like simply replacing a hard drive or cloning a hard drive or something like that)
Most of my job in receiving was to actually get all the information from the managers of Departments of what they wanted to order within their budgets in terms of what their departments needed.
Because I was pretty young at this time probably 22, I had no idea that this is how any of this really worked so apparently the store purchases from Individual vendors and these vendors have specific quantities that you need to go past in order to even order for them like you're not able to just order 5 or 2 of something that usually is in like a batch of like 10, 20 ,100 or something.
But funny enough returning back to the vendor or RTV essentially works the same way in regards to the store getting a refund so think about it like if Home Depot bought a bunch of fridges from Samsung and let's just say some electrical things simply did not work in the fridge like it was a problem that had nothing to do with Home Depot it is going to hurt Home Depot reputation if they're selling a fridge like this and people believe it's the retailers fault I know that sounds silly but ultimately that is really how people think. so when something is recalled sometimes they could get a pass but sometimes they could get hit with fines or a specific percentage must be given back to the store because of their trouble of even holding in purchasing a faulty product as we still have to deal with the returns and the complaints.
So understand that Sony and Microsoft are like a store and CD projekt Red is the vendor if you're giving them a product that is faulty or has more bugs than normal Sony and Microsoft themselves will file a complaint because you're hurting the reputation of their Network or platform.
So I completely understand why they would file such a complaint because in my opinion there needs to be fucking order there must be some consequence to releasing a game in this state and even outright fucking lying to Consumers about the actual state of the game.
I agree with the complaint and Sony and MS giving refunds.
The biggest issue I'd argue is actually them literally deceiving fans regarding the state of this game. They out right LIED to people about this game's issues.
EDMIX
Member
Agreed.
This is legit the most 2020 thing to happen in 2020. I always felt this developer was like this since they made that comment about Witcher 3's downgrade.
Witcher 3 has no downgraded they said before release.
Day after release "ok, so it was downgraded, thanks for the sales"
It told me this wasn't an accident. I understand games get downgraded and thats ok, but whats NOT OK is omitting that, leaving consumers in the dark to bank on sales only to then confirm when you know damn well they won't be able to get a refund in most cases. It was scummy then, its scummy now. Their comments about the downgrade was about JUST THAT, the downgrade, since they've NEVER apologized for giving this information out the day after release. They knew exactly what the fuck they were doing, so I'm not shocked they are doing this shit yet again, if anything I'm more surprised they are more brazen as to legit hid reviews, only allow their footage on PC so people didn't see the bugs. My expectation was that yes a downgrade happened, but the game would be playable as for fuck sakes, it is 8 years since it was revealed and they ALREADY worked on Witcher 3, thus I believed they would know the fucking hardware by now. I didn't really worry about that as even as much as I criticize them, I gave them the benefit of the doubt that the game would be playable and working, even if it was downgraded.
Never thought they would do allllll of this to the point of Sony and MS legit getting refunds
BWJinxing
Member
The irony in all this is that...
A game that has a setting about the corporations being aweful ... Destorys itself because of a handful of corpos within the ranks
I have completed my playthrough, and the story made up for the short comings imo.
I think they should take a bethsida approach, fix the big bugs but make a mod kit and let the modding community have at it
A game that has a setting about the corporations being aweful ... Destorys itself because of a handful of corpos within the ranks
I have completed my playthrough, and the story made up for the short comings imo.
I think they should take a bethsida approach, fix the big bugs but make a mod kit and let the modding community have at it
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Wow, that is inexcusable. I think the worst glitch I saw was during a cutscene where you talk to the lady at the counter in a bar(?) and then some random NPC or enemy started flying around and attacking our character out of nowhere. The protagonist couldn’t attack because the game thought it was a cutscene going on so therefore they couldn’t defend themselves and could only move around trying to avoid the rapidly sliding and floating enemy.
Almost finished the cutscene with the lady while dodging the enemy and went to the back to sit in a chair and thought he finally disappeared. Still in the cutscene to my knowledge and guess what? Sat in the chair and the man with the weapon in hand came sliding back towards us and killed our character and we couldn’t do anything about it. Admittedly, I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time.
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Tiamat2san
Member
Playing on series X.
No crash so far, 15h in, visual bugs yes, I play in quality mode (the motion is good) and I know they will patch the game often.
i remember the launch if Witcher 3, it was a bugfest too.
But I understand people who play the game on last gen, it looks terrible.
No crash so far, 15h in, visual bugs yes, I play in quality mode (the motion is good) and I know they will patch the game often.
i remember the launch if Witcher 3, it was a bugfest too.
But I understand people who play the game on last gen, it looks terrible.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
I'm glad Sony are offering refunds, but they shouldn't have to
People pre-ordered this game based on nothing but hype
The same people ignored red flag after red flag during the development of this game
The same people ignored the history of launches for the Witcher series
The same people ignored delay after delay
In all honesty, if you bought or pre-ordered this game its' your own fault.
A fool and his money is easily parted.
People pre-ordered this game based on nothing but hype
The same people ignored red flag after red flag during the development of this game
The same people ignored the history of launches for the Witcher series
The same people ignored delay after delay
In all honesty, if you bought or pre-ordered this game its' your own fault.
A fool and his money is easily parted.
yurinka
Member
I'm pretty sure both CDProject, Sony and Microsoft were aware about the state of the game and they all three agreed the last delay and they hoped was enought to fix with day one patches most of the biggest issues.
I assume that CD Project couldn't afford more delays, didn't want to miss the Holidays season, and both Stadia and Microsoft demanded them to have it ready for Stadia and Series X|S launch even if somewhat buggy.
Sony is the one printing more money with record PS5 launch and releasing multiple games while also having the biggest console market share by far, so they are the ones who cared less about having Cyberpunk for the Christmas season, but I assume they wanted to have it at the same time as Xbox to make sure they weren't going to use Cyberpunk as an Xbox (timed console) exclusive.
Many games fix many bugs or improve performance after some optimizations with the day one patch, so I assume all of them were optimistic to have the game in a better shape for launch date after the last delay and for marketing reasons didn't want to relay it more to double check it so gave them the gold to start producing the discs. In most cases it works, in this case didn't.
The game sold a lot and already is profitable according to CD Project and Sony is happy because they are selling consoles and other games at record levels, so they will be generous with refunds for those very upset who don't have patience to wait some weeks for extra bugfixes.
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Nemesis Prime
Member
weird, what is the reason they wouldn’t give you a refund? From what I heard Sony are much more strict when it comes to digital refunds
Reallink
Member
I don't understand why they released the console versions, or how they made it past cert. Obviously they knew they were unplayable and were going to destroy both their and the game's reputations. They gained nothing rushing out this dumpster fire, AAA games are largely unaffected (sales wise) by delaying into Q1.
Based on what people are saying about the performance I tend to agree they were overly ambitious aiming for old gen. I wonder how much cover they got from negative previews / predictions based on Switch running Witcher.
MilkLizard
Member
Anybody actually got a refund from Sony yet?
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
I can’t even get a fucking Chatbot. Tried phone and desktop, same result. Either they’re being bombarded with refund requests or their support system is utter shit
Dthomp
Member
I'm torn, I bought this for my wife with the intent to play but haven't started yet. We are both on PS5 so likely not the complete shitshow it would be on the PS4, but I'm tempted to try for the refund since I haven't even booted the game yet, there is no way this game isn't in the bargain bin or a good sale at least a few times before it's patched into a state people are happy with.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Certification isn't for what you think it is.
It's not QA for the game. It's a check against the platform OS API that the software works with the OS and platform features.
Devs/Pubs are expected to QA their own games. Sony and MS cannot and should not be expected to expend resources for that.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Didn't buy it in the first place, but because it's open world, not because I expected it... But given the hype, I was very likely to give it a try, I love the whole cyber punk thing since forever and I can appreciate openworld shooters.
So no, I'm never touching it.
So no, I'm never touching it.
iconmaster
Banned
This is a great question. I think the answer is probably that certification doesn't address the quality of the game as much as we might think. It's more about the software behaving itself as a good citizen on the console.
Iamborghini
Member
Aenima
Member
Since CDPR made the refund statment, both Sony and Microsoft have been refusing alot of the refund requests.
They really need to change they shitty refund policies if they dont even apply to a broken game.
Some examples of Microsoft refund denials:
Some examples of Sony refund denials:
(See post above this one
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And this is just one of the reasons i never pre-order or buy full priced games on digital stores.
They really need to change they shitty refund policies if they dont even apply to a broken game.
Some examples of Microsoft refund denials:
Some examples of Sony refund denials:
(See post above this one
)And this is just one of the reasons i never pre-order or buy full priced games on digital stores.
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Iced Arcade
Member
Yeah that title is BS. Sony flat out refused my brother twice.
MoneySings
Member
CDPR never responded to my refund request after 2 weeks. I ended up cancelling my refund as I gave it another go and it seems to be more stable. Actually enjoying it more now.
Knitted Knight
Banned
Really? Jesus
//DEVIL//
Member
lol . You are just talk without a single thought going through your brain makes me wonder if you are just bitter or one of those resetera guys that flip on every small thing.
What the devs are doing now are just patching the game and soon it will be perfectly playable.
Imagine if they fucking cancel the PS4 and Xbox version after keeping gamers waiting for 6 years .... it will hurt the company and the investors AND their fans and user base .
Like .. think before you type it’s not that hard bud.
also why so angry ? Are you stuck with your copy and you can’t return it ? Lol
I've heard nothing either, maybe my play time is too high (7ish hours)