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PS5 and Xbox Series X GPU TFLOPs Difference “Probably” Won’t Matter in the Long Run – Hellpoint Developer

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Both consoles have revealed some impressive things about their hardware so far, and both boast advantages over the other in different areas. The one area where the Xbox Series X is looking like it has the upper hand is pure, raw power, with, for instance, a GPU with a clock speed of 12 teraflops, as opposed to the PS5’s 10.28 teraflops. But how much of an effective difference will something like this make to developers in the long run?

According to Marc-André Jutras – Technical Director at Cradle Games, developers of the upcoming sci-fi action RPG Hellpoint – probably not too much. In a recent interview, when we asked Jutras about whether he thinks the aforementioned difference will have too much of an impact in the long run, he suggested that it wouldn’t, since there’s multiple other factors at play.
To be honest, probably not. Previous consoles always had this kind of difference. Especially the PlayStation, which always tended to have tweaks and hardware specific accelerations. Especially with today’s GPU; how are those FLOPS used?” Any dedicated physics cores? What about audio processing? Neural network? And let’s not start on raytracing! Doesn’t matter if you have twice the FLOPS, but can only use half of them, right?

We also asked if Hellpoint, given how close its launch is to the launch of next-gen consoles, will see a release on the PS5 and Xbox Series X, to which Jutras said that though Cradle Games have thought about it, for now they remained focused on the game’s upcoming launch.
Would be a lie to say we didn’t at least think about it. However, right now our focus is on releasing the game on time. The next-gen is still a bit too far for us to take any decision just yet.
 

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yeah, but of course there was other factors involved, CPU, RAM etc but TF matters, one value more, one value less, it matters just like any other component diference

There are other factors this time. And 1 TF difference between a theoretical 1 TF and a 2 TF console is NOT comparable to a 1 TF difference between a theoretical 11 TF and a 12 TF console.

That's like saying someone who makes $250,000 a year is getting just as good of a raise as someone who makes $20,000 a year they both earn an extra $10k a year.
 

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There are other factors this time. And 1 TF difference between a theoretical 1 TF and a 2 TF console is NOT comparable to a 1 TF difference between a theoretical 11 TF and a 12 TF console.

That's like saying someone who makes $250,000 a year is getting just as good of a raise as someone who makes $20,000 a year they both earn an extra $10k a year.
Yes there is other factors this time too, still the diference is even bigger now... lol
I don't get what you are saying,... You are saying there's not a diference or what?
 

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Why is EVERONYE in the whole INDUSTRY - every dev, every journalist - trying HARD AS FUCK to downplay the huge power difference and relevance of power? Like, suddenly power doesn't matter?! wtf is going on? Right before the PS5 GDC talk the narrative was completely different. What is going on? This is crazy.

Wasn't even remotely like this during XBOX ONE reveal. lol
 

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Why is EVERONYE in the whole INDUSTRY - every dev, every journalist - trying HARD AS FUCK to downplay the huge power difference and relevance of power? Like, suddenly power doesn't matter?! wtf is going on? Right before the PS5 GDC talk the narrative was completely different. What is going on? This is crazy.

Wasn't even remotely like this during XBOX ONE reveal. lol
For the same reason CNN published 700 articles about Bret Kavanaugh and sexual assault and for Joe Biden they've only published a few. It's all about driving a narrative, propaganda, and bias.
 
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I don't think it will matter that much either, but LOL @ his actual comment. He clearly knows nothing about XSX or PS5 for that matter.

And people on either side really need to get over the idea that all devs, even technical ones:

- Know what they are talking about
- Somehow aren't biased/fanboys

Tech is LITTERED with fanboys who say incorrect shit about whatever they dont' like/have less experience with. From programming languages to OS's to cloud providers to anything.. gaming is certainly not immune to that. If I had to guess, I'd guess it's worse.
 
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Why is EVERONYE in the whole INDUSTRY - every dev, every journalist - trying HARD AS FUCK to downplay the huge power difference and relevance of power? Like, suddenly power doesn't matter?! wtf is going on? Right before the PS5 GDC talk the narrative was completely different. What is going on? This is crazy.

Wasn't even remotely like this during XBOX ONE reveal. lol

Because it's not a huge power difference
 

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Why is EVERONYE in the whole INDUSTRY - every dev, every journalist - trying HARD AS FUCK to downplay the huge power difference and relevance of power? Like, suddenly power doesn't matter?! wtf is going on? Right before the PS5 GDC talk the narrative was completely different. What is going on? This is crazy.

Wasn't even remotely like this during XBOX ONE reveal. lol

Yes it was. IGN round-table with the "you can't see a difference past 720p anyhow" and all the devs doing "parity, because of console wars and stuff" early on. Tons and sites shilling for the always online DRM, etc..

What is this revisionism?
 

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Why do you guys keep revising the numbers lower than they bear out? It's 18% minimum, it's 18% at Sony's peak 2.23Ghz and we have no idea how far that frequency scales down. It could drop to 1.9Ghz for all we know.

For all we know it goes even lower, what if 7.2 TFLOPS is the real number?

Seriously, since it any way you want... the two consoles are incredibly closer than you would like them to be and both seem to have invested their budget well. But hate if you feel compelled ;).
 
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For all we know it goes even less, what if 7.2 TFLOPS is the real number?

Seriously, since it any way you want... the two consoles are incredibly closer than you would like them to be and both seem to have invested their budget well. But hate if you feel compelled ;).
No one is hating on anything, you guys just have a habit of posting figures lower than they bear out when you're well aware of where they actually stand.
 

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No one is hating on anything, you guys just have a habit of posting figures lower than they bear out when you're well aware of where they actually stand.

You guys, have a habit, etc... finished your generalisation dance and ready to go back to the hilarity in this thread :LOL:?

Nobody is massaging the figures to make them look better than they are, but interesting projection and narrative establishing attempt as you seek again to spread this narrative that PS5 TFLOPS number is essentially fake (“You know well where things actually stand <he said right after the n-th time he spreads ‘concern’ around PS5 numbers calling into question the official figures>”)... good attempt :).

The reality is the consoles are far closer to each other than Xbox One and PS4 were and neither XBX nor PS5 committed any particular HW Architecture blunder this time...
 
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You guys, have a habit, etc... finished your generalisation dance and ready to go back to the hilarity in this thread :LOL:?

Nobody is massaging the figures to make them look better than they are, but interesting projection and narrative establishing attempt as you seek again to spread this narrative that PS5 TFLOPS number is essentially fake (“You know well where things actually stand <he said right after the n-th time he spreads ‘concern’ around PS5 numbers calling into question the official figures>”)... good attempt :).

The reality is the consoles are far closer to each other than Xbox One and PS4 and neither XBX nor PS5 committed any particular HW Architecture blunder this time...
You don't need to overreact , you said it is 15-18% variance, this is a farce and you know it is. I'm not debating you, I'm correcting you. It's 18% at minimum and that percentage will scale upwardly depending on how far the PlayStation 5's GPU scales frequency downwardly.

Good day.
 

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Why is EVERONYE in the whole INDUSTRY - every dev, every journalist - trying HARD AS FUCK to downplay the huge power difference and relevance of power? Like, suddenly power doesn't matter?! wtf is going on? Right before the PS5 GDC talk the narrative was completely different. What is going on? This is crazy.

Wasn't even remotely like this during XBOX ONE reveal. lol
 

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You don't need to overreact , you said it is 15-18% variance, this is a farce and you know it is. I'm not debating you, I'm correcting you. It's 18% at minimum and that percentage will scale upwardly depending on how far the PlayStation 5's GPU scales frequency downwardly.

Good day.

Say 18% and that is it...the rest is speculation on your part (like it would be and was in my mind thinking that the end performance different is less than the small already TFLOPS one relatively speaking).

You are trying hard to make it a fact that it is likely a lot wider, which you do not know it is true, but of course assume the worst regarding Sony (disregard anything they have said) and ideal conditions about MS (believe everything they have said)... yup, sounds fair :rolleyes:?
 
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Why is EVERONYE in the whole INDUSTRY - every dev, every journalist - trying HARD AS FUCK to downplay the huge power difference and relevance of power? Like, suddenly power doesn't matter?! wtf is going on? Right before the PS5 GDC talk the narrative was completely different. What is going on? This is crazy.

Wasn't even remotely like this during XBOX ONE reveal. lol

Simple

Only people who think there's a huge difference are Xbox fans when it's really not. :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 

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Yes it was. IGN round-table with the "you can't see a difference past 720p anyhow" and all the devs doing "parity, because of console wars and stuff" early on. Tons and sites shilling for the always online DRM, etc..

What is this revisionism?

The hell? 95% of the media back then was trashing the Xbox One and saying how much more powerful the PS4 was.

The irony of you claiming revisionism while doing such blatant revisionism is astonishing.