bumleforce
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So revenue down 20% where are all the doom and gloom articles like we saw with xbox?
So drop price shortly before PS5. It'll increase the perceived value of PS5 if it's $200 more than the pro. A $500-$300-$200 setup would be great to get some backend casual PS4 sales and maybe a few more pros sold offThe strategy of mid gen updates is designed around keeping prices high (targeting high ASP’s in investor parlance). Price drops are infrequent promotions unless a big cost reduction can be obtained with a new model, but even in those cases you try to pair it with w more luxury option you try to drive people to.
didnt you know. the ps5 is cancelled. playstation is a huge failure /jkSo revenue down 20% where are all the doom and gloom articles like we saw with xbox?
So revenue down 20% where are all the doom and gloom articles like we saw with xbox?
So revenue down 20% where are all the doom and gloom articles like we saw with xbox?
Is the cost to make the PS5 largely favored in to these numbers? Like didn't PS3 cost them a ton before it came out due to R&D and getting ready to make it and such? If so that makes these numbers more impressive if they're remaining so profitableThose treasure chest ready and overflowing for PS5 backing. Thy are doing better in profit than every other gaming division, bodes well for what is in store for PS5. Release the Kraken.
So revenue down 20% where are all the doom and gloom articles like we saw with xbox?
So revenue down 20% where are all the doom and gloom articles like we saw with xbox?
Xbone is in decline since 2016. Heavily since 2018. For Xbone, end of the gen is since 2016. PSN alone still generates more revenue ( AFTER 6 YEARS ) than entire MS gaming division yearly. After 6 years PS4 is stil selling in 14+ m. units yearly
Did you missed the "2nd BEST YEAR for PS4" after 6 years???
Is the cost to make the PS5 largely favored in to these numbers? Like didn't PS3 cost them a ton before it came out due to R&D and getting ready to make it and such? If so that makes these numbers more impressive if they're remaining so profitable
Yea their sensor sector is doing fucking ace
Wait are you talking R&D or the loss per console?PS3 hit was over 100 which made them go in the red. Ps4 has been profitable since the first year of its release and software sales have been ridiculous so much so it took them out of the red and got them in the positive most of this gen. I don't know how much R@D was for PS5. My guess is with all tht money they accumulated due to ps4 success thy take up to a 100 loss on PS5 and well get a solid, strong console. They have lots of profit now in gaming more than most.
2 of it's best with ghosts of tsushima and last of usPS4 will get one of his best games only this year, 2020... I don't get why people want this gen to die.
They are raking in the dough more than anybody right now in terms of revenue and profit, it's not even close.Damn, until recently I thought the Playstation division was barely surviving. Don’t listen to crazy people I guess.
2020 could be the biggest year for PS4
With TLOU II, RE3R, Cyberpunk 2077, and Ghost of Tsushima, things about to get wild this year
2020 could be the biggest year for PS4
With TLOU II, RE3R, Cyberpunk 2077, and Ghost of Tsushima, things about to get wild this year
Ever since PS4 came out they've been printing money. Hell in the past they went in the red shortly before the new consoles but they seem to be avoiding that this timeDamn, until recently I thought the Playstation division was barely surviving. Don’t listen to crazy people I guess.
The amount of fake numbers in this thread is disturbing. Honest mistakes are one thing, but lying? Why?
Am I supposed to feel bad that MS only made $11B or even $4B? Most companies would kill to fail like that.
Sorry, but the numbers don't lie
so add then 400M PC players. so 110M vs 450M, how about that?
plus revenue, does not tell anything how healthy they are. maybe Sony invest 500M and rake 1B. while m$ invest 2B and rake 1B revenue, so that number is blown unhealthy way and that is the cases i think if we look at how they dumping money.
This is like hoes bragging about which pimp beats his girls the best. Yes they are getting rich off of us, we get it.
Microsoft do not have 450 million gaming customers on the PC.
And no, revenue isn't a sign of health, necessarily. But comparing Sony and Microsofts revenue shows us, that they are more or less equal in terms of turnover per customer. It shouldn't surprise anyone, so I don't see why it's so controversial.
Microsoft do not have 450 million gaming customers on the PC.
And no, revenue isn't a sign of health, necessarily. But comparing Sony and Microsofts revenue shows us, that they are more or less equal in terms of turnover per customer. It shouldn't surprise anyone, so I don't see why it's so controversial.
Do you own MS stock?
PS3 hit was over 100 which made them go in the red. Ps4 has been profitable since the first year of its release and software sales have been ridiculous so much so it took them out of the red and got them in the positive most of this gen. I don't know how much R@D was for PS5. My guess is with all tht money they accumulated due to ps4 success thy take up to a 100 loss on PS5 and well get a solid, strong console. They have lots of profit now in gaming more than most.
Not only that, they have a huge pile of PSN digital revenue to consolidate, protect, and growth. They will not want to lose a single user and gain more if they can day one.
Pretty much what has happened i.e. PS Plus. About 1/3rd of console players will pay for online.... really the only service I see gamers really subscribing too in mass. Figure close to $2b in revenue just from PS+. Back to being silent on PS Now, which to me will be slow to no growth - small revenue stream potential.
Gamers by and large are not going to sign up for a whole bunch of services, lucky if there is one service.
same number but not the same thingSo revenue down 20% where are all the doom and gloom articles like we saw with xbox?
Well, PS Now is 10$ monthly. If you want to look in this way : PS NOW 1 million users = 10 million Game Pass Ultimate users ( because GPU is still 1$ for a long time now )
Don't forget stuff like Final Fantasy VII Remake, Dreams, Doom Eternal and the typical FIFA, COD, etc.2020 could be the biggest year for PS4
With TLOU II, RE3R, Cyberpunk 2077, and Ghost of Tsushima, things about to get wild this year
...... Crash is Activision and billy isn't CEO of MS. Lolthis old pic
not much has changed
thats not much in the grand scheme of things but yes I knew that....... Crash is Activision and billy isn't CEO of MS. Lol
My take on this, after some research (microsoft annual reports)
Computing and Gaming Hardware
YEAR 2012
13.0 million X360
YEAR 2013
9.8 million Xbox consoles, of which 3mill. are Xbox One
YEAR 2014
11.7 million Xbox consoles, Xbox Platform revenue decreased by 22%. Of which 7 million are Xbox One. Xbox One has Almost Sold 10 Million Units to Retailers, Microsoft Reveals - Nov. 2014, 1 year after launch.
YEAR 2015
Xbox Platform revenue decreased 6%. We sold 12.1 million Xbox consoles in fiscal year 2015.
YEAR 2016
Xbox hardware revenue decreased 16%, mainly due to lower prices of Xbox One consoles sold and a decline in Xbox 360 console volume, offset in part by higher Xbox One console volume than prev. year.
YEAR 2017
Xbox hardware revenue decreased 21%, later it claims 16% ...
Xbox hardware revenue decreased 16%, mainly due to lower prices of Xbox One consoles sold and a decline in Xbox 360 console volume, offset in part by higher Xbox One console volume. Software revenue increased 11%
Xbox One est.
2013
3million during xmas
2014 -22%
shipped close to 10 million to retailers nov. 2014
11.7 million sold xbox consoles, around 7 million-ish Xbox One shipped to retailers
2015 -6%
12.1 million sold xbox consoles, less 360s more Xbox Ones. More than 7million shipped to retailers
2016 -16% , less 360s, more Xbox Ones. how much tough?
16% less than 12.1 mill. = 10.16million shipped to retailers
2017 -16 or -21% (report is contradicting)
again less 360s, more Xbox Ones, 21% less than 10.16mill. = 8million shipped to retailers
2018 -21% compared to 2017
Gaming revenue decreased slightly, primarily due to lower Xbox hardware revenue, offset in part by higher revenue from Xbox software and services. Xbox hardware revenue decreased 21%, mainly due to lower prices of consoles sold and a decline in volume of consoles sold. Xbox software and services revenue increased 11%, driven by a higher volume of Xbox Live transactions and revenue per transaction.
21% less of 8mill. = 6.32 million shipped to retailers
2019 -13%
Gaming revenue increased $1.0 billion or 10%, driven by Xbox software and services growth of 19%, primarily due to third-party title strength and subscriptions growth, offset in part by a decline in Xbox hardware of 13% primarily due to a decrease in volume of consoles sold.
13% less of 6.32mill. = 5.40 million shipped to retailers
2013 to 2019 xbox consoles shipped&sold
estimated 53.68mill.
IF 80% are XB1 = 42.944mill.
IF 90% are XB1 = 48.312mill.
IF 65% are XB1 = 34.892mill.
ratio of 10, max. 500mill. software sales
Phil Spencer said something of wishing to reach 70mill. software sales withe help of Xbox One x (2017/18). Means they were selling below that til 2017.
6 x 70 = 420 mill. software sales.