Agnostic2020
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Well I’m investor calls they mentioned they will use the profit of PSN to leverage the adoption of ps5. They expect ps5 to become profitable over its lifetime .
this tells me ps5 will be losing money for couple of years
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PS4: 6.1m (LTD: 108.9m) / 2019 is 2nd best year ever for PlayStation / PSN generated over $12.48B in 2019
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this tells me ps5 will be losing money for couple of years
Agnostic2020
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Just as a reference PS revenue last quarter was higher than entire 2019 for ms gaming division .
cc @CurryPanda.your spin on this ? Thanks
cc @CurryPanda.your spin on this ? Thanks
kevin_trinh
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Just as a reference PS revenue last quarter was higher than entire 2019 for ms gaming division .
cc @CurryPanda.your spin on this ? Thanks
CyberPanda
JaffeLion
Virex
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Impressive. Most impressive
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
PS4 price needs a cut in Europe at least. They could sell the thing for £125 here and still make a profit.
TBiddy
Member
Microsoft made 11.4 billion in revenue in FY19.
edit: scratch that. That was the entire "Personal Computing" division.
second edit: Actually no. That was just gaming:
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Agnostic2020
Member
12.5 billion is sonys Q3 only.so sony q3 is higher than ms gaming division for the entire yearMicrosoft made 11.4 billion in revenue in FY19.
edit: scratch that. That was the entire "Personal Computing" division.
second edit: Actually no. That was just gaming:
Gediminas
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i don't think that the drop is based purely on the fact that next gen is coming. if you look closely, it was pretty much not great year for gaming. there was no heavy hitters. a lot of manipulation from EA. Ubi, Activision, Blizzard, Bethesda and about microtransactions, predatory tactics, a lot of lacklusters games and so on. it would be no surprise for me if this year sony would rise.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
That is really strong revenue.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I think the drop is mostly caused by how exceptionally strong 2018 was for them.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The strategy of mid gen updates is designed around keeping prices high (targeting high ASP’s in investor parlance). Price drops are infrequent promotions unless a big cost reduction can be obtained with a new model, but even in those cases you try to pair it with w more luxury option you try to drive people to.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Microsoft made 11.4 billion in revenue in FY19.
edit: scratch that. That was the entire "Personal Computing" division.
second edit: Actually no. That was just gaming:
That's pathetic from MS as it's for the entire year.
They've been in desperate need for better exclusive games to help their figures here for years.
Aion002
Member
Every Playstation thread becomes an embarrassing thread for haters, with a ton of shit posters spinning some bs.
I understand liking a piece of plastic, I comprehend liking a company more than another..... But I will never understand trying to downplay others achievements... While your favorite company never won a generation and it's desperate trying something new because it simply can't win against two smaller companies....
Dudes MS is so desperate that she is giving a shit ton of games for 1 dollar and still can't get near Sony and Nintendo.
Sony still killing it. I think this year she will sell even more ps4's, TLU2 and Ghost of Tsushima are coming!
I understand liking a piece of plastic, I comprehend liking a company more than another..... But I will never understand trying to downplay others achievements... While your favorite company never won a generation and it's desperate trying something new because it simply can't win against two smaller companies....
Dudes MS is so desperate that she is giving a shit ton of games for 1 dollar and still can't get near Sony and Nintendo.
Sony still killing it. I think this year she will sell even more ps4's, TLU2 and Ghost of Tsushima are coming!
TBiddy
Member
I know. I was just correcting his mistake.
Klayzer
Member
I see why Sony isn't in hurry to talk about the PS5. Obviously, they don't want that PS4 money train to derail before its time.
Still, it's a very healthy console industry all the way around. Gamers are in for something special, when all console makers are fighting for your attention/dollars.
Also, I would like to thank the mystery user that gifted me gold last month. I appreciate it.
Still, it's a very healthy console industry all the way around. Gamers are in for something special, when all console makers are fighting for your attention/dollars.
Also, I would like to thank the mystery user that gifted me gold last month. I appreciate it.
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TBiddy
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Sony is about 40% higher (18.72 vs. 11.4). Considering Sony has sold 54% more consoles (110 million vs. 50 million), tell me again which is pathetic. Apparantly Microsoft makes more revenue pr. console sold than Sony does.
Agnostic2020
I was mistaken earlier. Sony didn't make 12.8 billion in revenue in Q3. They made 5.81 billion, which of course is a lot more than Microsoft, but nowhere near enough to beat Microsofts entire yearly revenue.
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Agnostic2020
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True non are bad actually and both suffered from continuous drop of fortnite and lack of rdr2 and Spider-Man (Sony)this year
it_wasn't_me
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Microsoft made 11.4 billion in revenue in FY19.
edit: scratch that. That was the entire "Personal Computing" division.
second edit: Actually no. That was just gaming:
Yep, i've said that on last page
TBiddy
Member
I think both Sony and MS are producing great numbers - especially considering where we are in this generation.
You wrote:
Which is clearly wrong. Microsofts FY2019 gaming revenue is about 11.4 billion, not 4.31.
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redfirm
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I know right, i was expecting it to be atleast 2 times more excellent than the current excellent . its sad to see that the numbers are sooo sooo goood while they could have been so much better if they where not already this good. its just, you know, sometimes you got to multiply man. 2+2 IS 4, QUICK MATHS!
Slings and Arrows
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Regardless of what plastic box company you prefer, you have to hand it to Sony. They were in a very rocky place in 2011, 2012 and 2013. Yet they sold off assets, rolled the die and took a huge gamble. It paid off, big time.
redfirm
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they didnt gamble, they listened. I dont know if you remember, but ps3 era sony was a arrogance, they wanted to dictate what the players wanted, i am glad they figured things out mid ps3 era
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it_wasn't_me
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Looks like i'm not. I've just copied what this guy said. Otherwise, he should be corrected by someone???
Sony Q3 FY2019 (Oct-Dec) Results - PS4: 6.1m (LTD: 108.9m) / 2019 is 2nd best year ever for PlayStation / PSN generated over $12.48B in 2019
Great OP. Even I understood some of these things.
www.resetera.com
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Slings and Arrows
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They did listen, and they gambled. They gambled with VR while they were in a financial predicament, they gambled on the 8GB and selling it at a lower price than MS. They gambled on making the PS4 as powerful as possible while still selling it at a relatively low RRP.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Sony. They read the market right and hit the gen with an unbelievable stride. IMO, it says everything about what they wanted to achieve this gen when they launched Bloodborne so early. It's a shame we didn't get a sequel, but Bloodborne is still one of the best games this gen.
redfirm
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I think our definitions of gambling is really different. they took calculated risks. gambling is done in the casino. I think you are trying to say they took calculated risks and i agree with you on that.
TBiddy
Member
Looks like i'm not. I've just copied what this guy said. Otherwise, he should be corrected by someone???
Sony Q3 FY2019 (Oct-Dec) Results - PS4: 6.1m (LTD: 108.9m) / 2019 is 2nd best year ever for PlayStation / PSN generated over $12.48B in 2019
Great OP. Even I understood some of these things.
I don't have an account on Resetera, and I have no idea who that is.
Fact of the matter is that you copied some numbers, which were false. Sonys revenue is a lot higher than Microsofts, but judging from the numbers, Microsoft produces more revenue pr. console sold than Sony.
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redfirm
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can we please stop, why do we constantly need to compare this. both companies are doing fine.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Cruisin' to 110M, and then to 120, and then 130...
it_wasn't_me
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Neither do i. But you don't need ERA acc to read this post. It's not off, otherwise he should be corrected. Looks like welfare is there too, i'm pretty sure he would react to his post, but he didn't???
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Slings and Arrows
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I agree. I see a calculated risk as business speak for gamble. You throw a lot of money down and hope for the best, based on stats or odds. Only bad gamblers gamble blind, only bad risk takers take bad risks.
TBiddy
Member
No idea who welfare is, to be honest. Perhaps he didn't see the post or just didn't bother.
Anyways, enough of the comparisons. This thread was derailed right from the beginning, with the 2nd post. I think we all agree that what Sony has been doing this generation is insanely impressive.
it_wasn't_me
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icerock
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I think both of you have got your wires crossed somewhere.
MS gaming revenue in FY 2019 was $10.3B. That $12.48B revenue from PSN is for entire FY 2019 and not just one quarter.
That's pure conjecture and very likely not true, MS put out gaming services on PC, have a dedicated store on it, you have to take that into account.
Aceofspades
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They are comparing Xbox revenue in Q3 of $2B vs $5.8B for Playststion which is almost 3 times
TBiddy
Member
I think both of you have got your wires crossed somewhere.
MS gaming revenue in FY 2019 was $10.3B. That $12.48B revenue from PSN is for entire FY 2019 and not just one quarter.
That's pure conjecture and very likely not true, MS put out gaming services on PC, have a dedicated store on it, you have to take that into account.
The numbers you've posted is for calendar year, not fiscal year. Microsofts FY runs from july to july, afair.
And yes, you're right. I forgot about the PC revnue, which of course skews the picture.
mejin
Member
So many info we can talk about a lot of things.
1. Hardware and softwares sales are down, BUT they are down from insane numbers. In 2018 we had GoW, Spider and RDR2, 2019 still proved to be a great year as the 2nd best year ever for PlayStation at the beginning of the end of PS4 life cycle. Still no dives as expected.
2. Hardware sell through by region is incredible!
US account for 30.4% of total PS4 units sold with ~ 32.2m
International accounts for 69.6% with ~ 73.8m
Japan : 8.3%
Rest of the World : 61.3%
3. Digital softwares sales at 49%. Holy shit.
4. PS + is almost 40 million users.
5. While Microsoft is talking, Sony is hard working.
1. Hardware and softwares sales are down, BUT they are down from insane numbers. In 2018 we had GoW, Spider and RDR2, 2019 still proved to be a great year as the 2nd best year ever for PlayStation at the beginning of the end of PS4 life cycle. Still no dives as expected.
2. Hardware sell through by region is incredible!
US account for 30.4% of total PS4 units sold with ~ 32.2m
International accounts for 69.6% with ~ 73.8m
Japan : 8.3%
Rest of the World : 61.3%
3. Digital softwares sales at 49%. Holy shit.
4. PS + is almost 40 million users.
5. While Microsoft is talking, Sony is hard working.
Agnostic2020
Member
You can’t say that as MS gaming revenue includes PC
edit : just saw your newer response that u got it. Never mind then
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FF VII remake is going to make more money than Ghost or RE3R
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Agnostic2020
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Yea that’s a safe bet I feel . Unless ghost becomes like horizon and sell 14 million or something
Hardware down a little more than I thought but PS+ subscriber numbers went up pretty drastically. My guess was 14.1m units looks like 14.4-14.7m depending on dates measured. Quarter should be a concern going into 2020, maybe a price cut on PS4 as we head to PS5.
Pretty good year considering Spider-Man+God of War vs. Death Stranding + Days Gone I would like some sales numbers on Death Stranding and Days Gone.
Pretty good year considering Spider-Man+God of War vs. Death Stranding + Days Gone I would like some sales numbers on Death Stranding and Days Gone.
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Gamernyc78
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Those treasure chest ready and overflowing for PS5 backing. Thy are doing better in profit than every other gaming division, bodes well for what is in store for PS5. Release the Kraken.
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Gediminas
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so add then 400M PC players. so 110M vs 450M, how about that?Sony is about 40% higher (18.72 vs. 11.4). Considering Sony has sold 54% more consoles (110 million vs. 50 million), tell me again which is pathetic. Apparantly Microsoft makes more revenue pr. console sold than Sony does.
I was mistaken earlier. Sony didn't make 12.8 billion in revenue in Q3. They made 5.81 billion, which of course is a lot more than Microsoft, but nowhere near enough to beat Microsofts entire yearly revenue.
plus revenue, does not tell anything how healthy they are. maybe Sony invest 500M and rake 1B. while m$ invest 2B and rake 1B revenue, so that number is blown unhealthy way and that is the cases i think if we look at how they dumping money.
it_wasn't_me
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I think both of you have got your wires crossed somewhere.
MS gaming revenue in FY 2019 was $10.3B. That $12.48B revenue from PSN is for entire FY 2019 and not just one quarter.
Or maybe i've mixed ( or poster on ERA ) PSN revenue only vs. entire MS gaming division.