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PlayStation Support: Backward compatibility: PlayStation®4 games playable on PlayStation®5
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AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Yes, their is HW eumation for both PS4 base and Pro.
ShadowWolf712
Member
So, Game Boost mode improves loading times, in addition to the load time improvements by running games on PS5's SSD vs PS4's HDD? And PS5's SSD having DRAM means it runs slightly faster than a normal SSD would as well?
Or do games 'have to' run in Game Boost mode in order to get any load time improvements?
Or do games 'have to' run in Game Boost mode in order to get any load time improvements?
ZehDon
Gold Member
No, the load-time improvements from the SSD aren't optional; the drive just loads everything faster, so the improvements of the SSD will be available to every game automatically. However, that doesn't mean every game will suddenly load in 1 second; some will benefit from it more than others. I'm expecting 20 second load times for Bloodborne, for example.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
THE DUCK
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I'm groovy with that overall, why don't they just say that in today's faq/release?
FrankWza
Member
playedbloodborne on SSD onps4 and pro and Load times were definitely faster than others at the time. It’s been a while but I could load it up and try a few and time it.
FrankWza
Member
You can but I believe you may lost some functionality. You can’t play ps5 games with DS4 though
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Would be interesting to know why those 10 games don't work. I don't give a crap about them, just curious. What special thing are they doing that the other 4,000 games aren't?
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
PS5 consoles do not support the PS4 Second Screen app or game companion apps.
We get it Sony, you hate the Vita.
We get it Sony, you hate the Vita.
Rob_27
Member
I haven't got through all the pages yet.
Is there a list of
Games that would benefit from the extra power of PS5 as they have uncapped frame rate or dynamic resolution. Inc upto 4k.
Or a list that games have been patched or will be to allow extra guff?
I havent finished last of us 2 yet so hopefully that will have something..
Thinking about ghosts of tsushima and maybe Death stranding.
But have the series X for a week before the PS5 comes out to tinker with something.
Cheers.
Is there a list of
Games that would benefit from the extra power of PS5 as they have uncapped frame rate or dynamic resolution. Inc upto 4k.
Or a list that games have been patched or will be to allow extra guff?
I havent finished last of us 2 yet so hopefully that will have something..
Thinking about ghosts of tsushima and maybe Death stranding.
But have the series X for a week before the PS5 comes out to tinker with something.
Cheers.
makaveli60
Member
This is how I would understand it as well but with this new management/marketing team I don't know anymore what to think... I just want them to state that, yes, PS4 Pro patched games will run on Ps4 Pro mode on PS5. It would be so easy to do so, isn't it?
It was my understanding that if something has an enhanced mode on PS4 pro it would have a ps4 pro mode when playing on ps5 no? Am i wrong in understanding this from the Road to PS5
Blitzmangoman
Member
Regarding PS4 to PS5 cloud saves which no one answered 
blog.playstation.com
Good, PS+ cloud works for save data.
PS4 games on PS5: Your top questions answered
Details on backward compatibility, how Game Boost enhances select PS4 titles, and more.
blog.playstation.com
Good, PS+ cloud works for save data.
Riky
$MSFT
If games work in just PS4 or PRO modes and run exactly as they did on those machines then it isn't the same as the XSX as that boosts every game to its resolution and framerate target.
If it's running in PS4 mode and has dynamic resolution and framerate drops on a PS4 surely it will still have them?
If it's running in PS4 mode and has dynamic resolution and framerate drops on a PS4 surely it will still have them?
MasterCornholio
Member
So all XB1 games get boosted to 4K 60FPs automatically?
Just curious if this is one of the perks of the XSX BC system.
Edit: I'm also wondering if my understanding of the PS5s boost mode is correct.
If a game has a dynamic resolution on the PS4 then it should reach the maximum resolution more often (or locked at it ) with the PS5s boost mode. The same goes for framerate as well like GoW 60 FPS mode.
Now developers can release patches that will improve a game beyond the PS4 Pro mode with the PS5s boost. For example Doom Eternal can be updated to have ray tracing on the PS5.
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the_master
Member
Great news!!!
Raonak
Banned
Problem is, the console would have to be online to check whether that game belongs to you. Otherwise you could sell the disk and keep the game digitallyThis is some great news, and about what folks were expecting
I'm curious how many of these are compatible with Boost mode; last figure had them having tested about 100 games. It'd be nice if they gave an update on that front with this one but they'll probably do that a week or two from now anyway.
Also this stuck out to me:
Is there a specific reason the game needs to be inserted each and every time? Sounds like a form of license checking, but couldn't they just simply get some kind of unique ID code off the disc, store it to the cloud, and then just have it so that the user needs to briefly be online to verify being able to play the game without the disc being in the drive? Maybe some kind of matching ID could be generated for that game getting initially verified with the disc in the drive on that system, and could even do it on a per-account basis?
It'd actually be better if the system had some kind of private NAND cache inaccessible by the user, where it could get and/or generate some kind of reference code to the digital copy of the game if it's installed on the internal SSD, expandable SSD or external storage device. Then implement some kind of encrypted ID reference code for any external drive the digital copy of the PS4 game is installed onto. If the user tries playing the game from an external drive without the matching reference code they'd be prompted to provide the original disc again.
I guess Sony's got it set up the way it is currently, to ensure people aren't simply borrowing the game from a friend and try to pass it off as their own purchase, which would be an issue if the system only needed the game disc inserted and verified once.
But I think generating some kind of unique encrypted reference ID code for a digital copy of that game installed onto either the system or external storage matching some type of unique identification of the game disc (I'm sure every printed disc of a physical release has to have SOME kind of unique identification of some sort issued during the printing phase, right?), which could be further expanded to a matching encrypted code installed on the connected 3rd-party storage drive (if the game is installed there), would be a better solution, though maybe a bit more complicated.
It's basically what ms were wanting to do with xb1
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DarkestHour
Banned
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
Hasn’t Sucker Punch debunked this already? Ghost of Tsushima will have higher framerates.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yep. I posted that before sucker punch announced their boost mode.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
So external drives for digital PS4 titles? I have Devil May Cry 4:Special Edition installed on my PS4. I can just transfer that over, download it again on PS5, or run it from an external drive?
Edit: I figured it out.
Edit: I figured it out.
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iconmaster
Banned
This seems to answer most questions. Bringing over PS4 saves, accessing digital PS4 games, etc.
For those still hoping for a more detailed breakdown of how a particular PS4 game runs on PS5: that’s completely fair, but I wouldn’t count on Sony to provide anything that specific. I’m sure we’ll see streamers and YouTubers kicking the back-compat tires after the console’s out.
Shmunter
Member
Are you familiar with....Spider-Man?
Shmunter
Member
You like em black?I think most reasonable people expected this to be the case, but it's a good thing to have it spelled out in Black & white. One less console war issue to fight about.
It is reassuring to see Black Tiger made wasn't one of the few excluded games.
VALCON 82
Member
In the PS support page it mentioned ps plus and PSNOW .. they state that ps4 games will play on ps5... they only mention that ps4 titles will be playable on ps5.. do I assume that over 1/2 the psnow library will be cut out from being playable on ps5?? Surely not...
and no this is not some trolling post. I have psnow and love it but that will definitely make me reconsider resubscribing if true
and no this is not some trolling post. I have psnow and love it but that will definitely make me reconsider resubscribing if true
fersnake
Member
Heheh. How appropriate.
i really dont care those games dont work, what i wish to know its why it doesnt.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Technical communication is much worse because of SEO, Google expect so many words in a page to take it seriously... writers force themselves into writing long winded texts when they could make a 4 point list and be done with it, everybody would be happier.
Agent X
Member
From what I gather, PS Now will work exactly the same way on PS5 as it currently works on PS4. Anything that is downloadable on PS4 will be downloadable on PS5, and anything that is streamable on PS4 will be streamable on PS5.
Katt”BuckNasty”Johnston
Member
Couldn’t Sony just have the user toggle boost mode? Like it could be boosted by default like the Series X, but the user could just toggle legacy mode if issues occur. Maybe run it as a beta at first to compile data of what works and what doesn’t outside of it top 100?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They probably will.
Mercenary09
Member
So it looks like some of those games may still become backward compatible possibly. At least the DWVR one is according to the developer.
thisgengaming.com
PS4 Games that aren't Backward Compatible on PS5 May Work Later - ThisGenGaming
If you missed the news yesterday Sony announced that a total of ten PlayStation 4 games won’t be backward compatible on the PlayStation 5. If you were wishing to play any of those ten games on your new system though don’t give up hope quite yet. The developer who made DWVR, which is one of the...
thisgengaming.com
Is there a source for this?
timmyp53
Member
Its exactly what the PS4 Pro did. Not sure why people are thinking so hard.
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If it's on for all, I think this one's broken.
Correction: All games that can still be bought and won’t get delisted soon as they have a better sequel anyways.
Forza horizon 4, which is better anyway, gets the patch.
And forza 3 gets delisted anyways, so why waste resources on that?
This is a non issue.
beck_
Member
Something I am not sure of:
On PS4 Pro, the boost option is system level and can be turned on, this 'boosts' all PS4 games played on Pro. They have a caveat that if any issues arise whilst playing a specific game, then turn off boost mode.
On PS5, it seems boost option wont be available and instead Sony will 'switch on' boost mode for PS4 games that can run with it (maybe adding more as tested over time). I would expect quite a lot will run in boost mode and especially the popular games (in top 100+).
The latest DF video showed that not only the SSD improves load times in BC games, but the next gen CPU makes a huge difference also. So any games not boosted will possibly not see the big improvements in load times due to not running at PS5 CPU speeds. I'm not too worried about this as the PS4 games I will play on PS5 are popular and should be boosted.
On PS4 Pro, the boost option is system level and can be turned on, this 'boosts' all PS4 games played on Pro. They have a caveat that if any issues arise whilst playing a specific game, then turn off boost mode.
On PS5, it seems boost option wont be available and instead Sony will 'switch on' boost mode for PS4 games that can run with it (maybe adding more as tested over time). I would expect quite a lot will run in boost mode and especially the popular games (in top 100+).
The latest DF video showed that not only the SSD improves load times in BC games, but the next gen CPU makes a huge difference also. So any games not boosted will possibly not see the big improvements in load times due to not running at PS5 CPU speeds. I'm not too worried about this as the PS4 games I will play on PS5 are popular and should be boosted.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
XB1 games that have unlocked frame rate get boosted, same with Dynamic Resolution. They also get auto HDR for all gens if it works.
I imagine boost mode in the PS5 would work similar. Dynamic resolution topping out at 4k (or 4k more often) and uncapped games getting 60fps or close to it. Don't believe HDR was a focus for Sony.
Tschumi
Member
Well there you have it.
DWVR
Afro Samurai 2 Revenge of Kuma Volume One
TT Isle of Man - Ride on the Edge 2
Just Deal With It!
Shadow Complex Remastered
Robinson: The Journey
We Sing
Hitman Go: Definitive Edition
Shadwen
Joe's Diner
the gaping chasm in backwards compatible titles is warping and tearing my sanity like a Lovecraftian old one~
DWVR
Afro Samurai 2 Revenge of Kuma Volume One
TT Isle of Man - Ride on the Edge 2
Just Deal With It!
Shadow Complex Remastered
Robinson: The Journey
We Sing
Hitman Go: Definitive Edition
Shadwen
Joe's Diner
the gaping chasm in backwards compatible titles is warping and tearing my sanity like a Lovecraftian old one~
yeah, this is kind of a sad one. i have a physical print of this for PS4. Guess I'll be playing it on my Pro this fall.
Kokoloko85
Member
Yeah but I wonder if it will get a Patch for boost mode.
Not ray tracing, new textures etc. Like the “Remaster” .
But Just faster loading and 60fps option like PS4 Pro games got the option.
I doubt it but wondering if they will give it a free patch. Like Cerny said the top 100 games will be get a boost mode.
Not just games after June ETc like Ghost of Tsushima
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yurinka
Member
And to improve the loading times and if the game has dynamic resolution, to improve the resolution. Like in Xbox or PS4 Pro.So far all it does is improve framerate
I think they already did it: all the PS4 and PSVR games that aren't these 10 PS4 only games should benefit of boost mode with shorter loading times, higher resolutions if the game has dynamic resolution (and weren't already native 4K on PS4 Pro) and more stable and faster fps (unless they are capped to 30 or 60 and already ran at this very steady).
SSD loading solution is twice as fast on PS5 compared to Series X, so BC loading times should be shorter in PS5.
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