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Phil Spencer: What you will see on July 23 is true creative freedom

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Gears of war wasn't exactly a slouch when it comes to sales, though. At least before the Coalition took over the franchise. I'm sure any Xbox fan would love to see more new AAA ip's of that caliber. Not entirely sure if the Xbox demographics care about games like Ori, Minecraft dungeons and Grounded, though.

Yeah, Gears of War sales if I remember correctly were pretty solid especially considering it was on Gamepass, but it’s the type of game that appeals more to the demographic. I doubt games like Ori or Grounded will receive a lot of attention from XBox gamers, but we’ll see.
 
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Just show me Fable, Perfect Dark, and Obsidian new AAA RPG and ill be happy already know that Halo Infinite, Everwild, and Hellblade 2 will be there so if MS shows Fable, Perfect Dark, and Obsidian new RPG it already a great show any other games they show will only be a bonus.
 

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Creative freedom? On July 23 I dont want to see anything even resembling "Orphan".


I want to see something that can make all PS fans jealous and another PS2 style game will not cut it.
I was laughing from Orphan, because I thought it's not demanding game.... but boys I was soo wrong 😅.



Apparently XSX version runs at 4K 120fps, while PS5 at 60fps. Damn, even I wasnt expecting such drastic difference. So much for 2.2GHz sustained and RDNA3 features. Now my expectations in regards to XSX games are even higher, because obviously XSX has the upper hand when it comes to GPU and people who tried to downplay the difference in CUs were simply ... (I dont want to be banned, so please use your own imagination my friends 😃😉).
 
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I was laughing from Orphan, because I thought it's not demanding game.... but boys I was soo wrong 😅.



Apparently XSX version runs at 4K 120fps, while PS5 at 60fps. Damn, even I wasnt expecting such drastic difference. So much for 2.2GHz sustained and RDNA3 features. Now my expectations in regards to XSX games are even higher, because obviously XSX has the upper hand when it comes to GPU and people who tried to downplay the difference in CUs were simply ... (I dont want to be banned, so please use your imagination 😃😉).
What the? didn’t I just reply to this post elsewhere?

Own goal incoming.
 

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What the? didn’t I just reply to this post elsewhere?

Own goal incoming.
Stay salty man. Magician Cerny could lie people, but marketing lies will never change hard facts and I hope naive PS fans like you will learn your lesson and stop believing in magic tricks the next time.

52CUs sustained 12TF with all range of DX12U features is obviosuly way more cappable GPU than 36CUs 10TF variable clock (I even can guess how far PS5 will downclock based on what Cerny has said, but I dont want to be banned, so I will keep it to myself)

Like I have said in my previous post, now I'm even more excited for 23 july. The power of 12TF (sustained and without any magic tricks) will shine😃. Just 2 more days 😉👌.
 
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I was laughing from Orphan, because I thought it's not demanding game.... but boys I was soo wrong 😅.



Apparently XSX version runs at 4K 120fps, while PS5 at 60fps. Damn, even I wasnt expecting such drastic difference. So much for 2.2GHz sustained and RDNA3 features. Now my expectations in regards to XSX games are even higher, because obviously XSX has the upper hand when it comes to GPU and people who tried to downplay the difference in CUs were simply ... (I dont want to be banned, so please use your imagination 😃😉).

Wow, very agitated! Right there, it seems to be an emotional topic ;D
 

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Just show me Fable, Perfect Dark, and Obsidian new AAA RPG and ill be happy already know that Halo Infinite, Everwild, and Hellblade 2 will be there so if MS shows Fable, Perfect Dark, and Obsidian new RPG it already a great show any other games they show will only be a bonus.
I think it's going to be a great show. Halo Infinite and Hellblade 2 is a good start if they look good. Is Everwild single player?
 

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I was laughing from Orphan, because I thought it's not demanding game.... but boys I was soo wrong 😅.



Apparently XSX version runs at 4K 120fps, while PS5 at 60fps. Damn, even I wasnt expecting such drastic difference. So much for 2.2GHz sustained and RDNA3 features. Now my expectations in regards to XSX games are even higher, because obviously XSX has the upper hand when it comes to GPU and people who tried to downplay the difference in CUs were simply ... (I dont want to be banned, so please use your imagination my friends 😃😉).
If you have seen that game and you think that this is because of hardware limitations then 🤣
 

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Apparently XSX version runs at 4K 120fps, while PS5 at 60fps. Damn, even I wasnt expecting such drastic difference. So much for 2.2GHz sustained and RDNA3 features. Now my expectations in regards to XSX games are even higher, because obviously XSX has the upper hand when it comes to GPU and people who tried to downplay the difference in CUs were simply ... (I dont want to be banned, so please use your imagination 😃😉).

I like that last sentence - "I didn't design the PS5, your beef is with sony" - that so fucking spot-on it's not even funny.
 

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If you have seen that game and you think that this is because of hardware limitations then 🤣
Thats what developer clearly implied, so I dont need to quess. Yes, Orphan is not impressive graphically, but if the same game runs at 60fps on PS5 and 120fps on XSX it should tell you something. Few months ago Chris Grannel has said the difference between XSX and PS5 is staggering, but people didnt believed him. Orphan is just a first game that clearly proves Chris wasn't lying.
 
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Stay salty man. Magician Cerny could lie people, but marketing lies will never change hard facts and I hope naive PS fans like you will learn your lesson and stop believing in magic tricks the next time.

56CUs sustained 12TF with all range of DX12U features is obviosuly way more cappable GPU than 36CUs 10TF variable clock (I even can guess how far PS5 will downclock based on what Cerny has said, but I dont want to be banned, so I will keep it to myself)

Like I have said in my previous post, now I'm even more excited for 23 july. The power of 12TF (sustained and without any magic tricks) will shine😃. Just 2 more days 😉👌.
Lol, what a dick
 

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Thats what developer clearly implied, so I dont need to quess. Yes, Orphan is not impressive graphically, but if the same game runs at 60fps on PS5 and 120fps on XSX it should tell you something. Few monts ago Chris Grannel has said the difference between XSX and PS5 are staggering, but people didnt believed him. Orphan is just a first game that clearly proves Chris wasn't lying.
🤣 yeah it tells me something, that they are gimping the PS5 version. Chris Grannel is friends with Xbox guys like Tim Dog, Colt Eastwood, etc. And hasn't worked for Sony in over 10 years. We just heard yesterday from a current The Initiative developer that the consoles are pretty evenly matched. He wouldn't say that if it wasn't the case, he works for MS
 

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Thats what developer clearly implied, so I dont need to quess. Yes, Orphan is not impressive graphically, but if the same game runs at 60fps on PS5 and 120fps on XSX it should tell you something.

What's this something it's supposed to be telling us?

How do you explain dirt 5 running at 120fps on both?

Nobody is disputing the Series X being more powerful but it's utter tripe like this that makes some of you look like you're a few teraflops short of a complete brain. Get real.
 

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I was laughing from Orphan, because I thought it's not demanding game.... but boys I was soo wrong 😅.
So, you were laughing at that silly little game. Until you learned that it is multiplatform and performs better on your favorite console.

Now, it isn't silly any more. Now, it's an important game. It brings an important revelation to light!

Now, you can take this developer's first experience developing anything for a PS console as representative of what that hardware is capable of. After all, now that he claims to be releasing his masterpiece to PS5, he cannot possibly be considered a fanboy any more! We can now forget his exchanges with personalities such as Timdog. We can simply take his impressions at face value!

Fuck Cerny, that liar. Kirby says the PS5 is shit because it can't run his brilliantly programmed Ecco The Dolphin clone at 120fps. And that's all we need. Those delusional fanboys think that DiRT 5 at 120fps means anything, but it doesn't! The true measure of things is this! This masterpiece.

Such a revelation...

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I rate your console war contribution a B for effort in reaching for ammo and comedic value.
 
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I think it is the freedom to make nothing remarkable.

Since 2014their words make people believe that something bigger and better is coming.
I'm not attacking them but they're not the biggest supporters of creative freedom, this is them essentially saying they are for a fact.

We'll see.
 

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Say the developer was a bad coder. It still means their bad code allows 4k120 on XSX and only 4k60 on PS5.
Not necessarily. It just means the focus of development was one over the other like some AA/AAA titles in this gen having the same resolution on Pro and X.

It may also be because PS5 isn’t hitting 120fps consistently so the dev just went for 60fps in order to make it stable and not judder.
 

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Context people. It has nothing to do with PS5 not being able to handle 120fps. It’s a hardware and engine thing. More updates and features need to be added it seems.

 
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Developers should stop talking all together. They say one thing and mean something else. Its like theyre unable to find the correct words to communicate. If you want people to understand what you mean, then don't leave it up for interpertation.

Or do. Why do you care, these are just potential buyers, not your friends.
 

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Developers should stop talking all together. They say one thing and mean something else. Its like theyre unable to find the correct words to communicate. If you want people to understand what you mean, then don't leave it up for interpertation.

Or do. Why do you care, these are just potential buyers, not your friends.

This is very true. The developer’s console war comments doesn’t help either.
 
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I was laughing from Orphan, because I thought it's not demanding game.... but boys I was soo wrong 😅.



Apparently XSX version runs at 4K 120fps, while PS5 at 60fps. Damn, even I wasnt expecting such drastic difference. So much for 2.2GHz sustained and RDNA3 features. Now my expectations in regards to XSX games are even higher, because obviously XSX has the upper hand when it comes to GPU and people who tried to downplay the difference in CUs were simply ... (I dont want to be banned, so please use your own imagination my friends 😃😉).
Come on now, I'm pretty sure that game could run in 4k/120fps on the Switch. Seems like this developer is just trying to grab some attention for his game, knowing that nobody cares about it.
 

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So, you were laughing at that silly little game. Until you learned that it is multiplatform and performs better on your favorite console.

Now, it isn't silly any more. Now, it's an important game. It brings an important revelation to light!

Now, you can take this developer's first experience developing anything for a PS console as representative of what that hardware is capable of. After all, now that he claims to be releasing his masterpiece to PS5, he cannot possibly be considered a fanboy any more! We can now forget his exchanges with personalities such as Timdog. We can simply take his impressions at face value!

Fuck Cerny, that liar. Kirby says the PS5 is shit because it can't run his brilliantly programmed Ecco The Dolphin clone at 120fps. And that's all we need. Those delusional fanboys think that DiRT 5 at 120fps means anything, but it doesn't! The true measure of things is this! This masterpiece.

Such a revelation...

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I rate your console war contribution a B for effort in reaching for ammo and comedic value.
My opinion about this game didnt changed at all, and my expectations in regards to XSX are MUCH higher. Just two more days from now and you will see what I'm talking about.

You think I'm now liking this game simply because it shows XSX in better light, but that's not the case. I have never wrote anything possitive about "Orphan", so please dont suggest otherwise just because your imagination is telling you things you want to hear.

I may gently mock Sony die-hard fans on this site from time to time (maybe even everyday the last couple of days :p), but I have no favorite console (although If I had to choose one gaming platform it would be PC). In fact before PS5 reveal I was even expecting Sony to win TF battle (my old posts in the next gen thread are still there). Of course with time my attitide has changed, but only because I have realized fake insiders were just making fool out of people here, and I no longer wanted to blindly believe everything I read in regards to PS5. I became more sceptic and then furious people (PS fans) have suddenly bombarded my posts with reports and really rude comments just for sharing my doubts in regards to PS5 variable clock. I thought moderators will defend me (after all I wasnt rude to people and I wasnt trolling), yet mods have defended PS fans and warned me for provoking console wars. I have realized then next gen thread is not a place for neutral people, you either blindly praise PS5, or you dont post there at all.

I'm not hating Sony console, but only certain group of die-hard Sony fans, who blindly workship Sony brand no matter what. I dont want NeoGaf to slowly turn into marketing platform for Sony products, where people will be not allowed to question anything what Sony does and says. Die-hard Sony fans on neogaf are so furious, not even John from Digital Foundry wants to post here lately (sony fans were constantly attacking him).
 
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cireza

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Dreamcast first party developers had true creative freedom. We know how it ended.
 
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The best first party output in a 2 year span? The failure of the dreamcast was not on the excellent line up of first party games. There was many reasons for the failure but not that.
I know perfectly well, I was being a bit sarcastic.
 
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killatopak

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Okay, did they deliver creative freedom?

I actually fell asleep before the show so I haven’t watched anything yet.
 
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The event was extremely weak. Halo looks nothing special and those character models... Y I K E S ...

I just wanted to add, I am extremely happy. I scored a deal on CyberPunk 2077 ED Xbx One X ... I will be hugging that baby for a while...
 
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