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[PCGamer]The era of 100GB games is upon us, and the average PC gamer is underprepared
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Very similar to my current setup, though I sometime play older games off the HDD itself since the speed difference isn't that much noticable.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Same. I have very fast internet so I just download what I want to play fairly quickly. Don’t like to keep lots of games on my SSD.
Haven’t had an issue yet.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Pretty much.
Games im actively playing ill keep on the SSD.
Older titles and titles where the SSD makes little to no difference Ill just play straight off an HDD.
I dont cold storage PC titles cuz if I really get the itch for an older game chances are I could download it in no time.
While I think developers should try to keep sizes down just out of principle, I don't understand why any of this is an issue in practice. A Samsung 980 Pro 2TB can be had for less than €150. The 970 is even cheaper and other brands are cheaper still. You can have a solid 20 games on there without issue.
Also, half of these are one and done. Once you're done with Hogwarts, there's no reason to keep it installed. Same for Resident Evil and several others. Just, you know, don't be autistic and just uninstall them. I can understand having a few multiplayer or live service games installed all the time, but the rest can go when you're done with them.
Also, half of these are one and done. Once you're done with Hogwarts, there's no reason to keep it installed. Same for Resident Evil and several others. Just, you know, don't be autistic and just uninstall them. I can understand having a few multiplayer or live service games installed all the time, but the rest can go when you're done with them.
Thaedolus
Gold Member
Steam makes it really easy to move games between drives, so you can keep downloads on a slow drive then just move them over to nvme when you’re actually playing them. Also, I signed up for gigabit internet as soon as it was available. Also again, Steam Deck and desktop can transfer files back and forth so you’ll only have to download to one or the other one time, then it’ll transfer via LAN if you install on the other device.
So, it’s not so bad
So, it’s not so bad
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Drizzlehell
Banned
I've been on 2x2 TB drives since 2013 so I'm not really that bothered by this. But I do remember when people were mad when Wolfenstein: The New Order was like a 50 gigabyte download. Seems pretty standard now, but back then that was huge because average game downloads at the time averaged at around 10-15 gigs at best and suddenly this monstrosity comes out and it was a day when it really sucked to have a limited internet plan, lol.
www.gamesradar.com
I remember even reading some comments somewhere where people speculated if MachineGames didn't put some redundant data in the game's files to artificially blow up its size and discourage people from torrenting the thing and go buy a physical copy instead, lol.
Pretty funny to think back on this now. History likes to repeat itself.
Did Wolfenstein: The New Order accidentally find the best defense against piracy?
As sure as the sun rises in the east, so too will piracy be a plague upon PC gaming. Publishers and developers can implement as much DRM as they want--but
www.gamesradar.com
I remember even reading some comments somewhere where people speculated if MachineGames didn't put some redundant data in the game's files to artificially blow up its size and discourage people from torrenting the thing and go buy a physical copy instead, lol.
Pretty funny to think back on this now. History likes to repeat itself.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Bought a 4TB NVME for my PS5(Pro??).
I don't give a shit.
I don't give a shit.
lukilladog
Member
Some people here make me look like an amateur with only 10tb.
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
How is the average PC gamer “unprepared”? We have the most storage options in the entire industry.
Sounds like click bait.
Sounds like click bait.
Syphon Filter
Member
I mainly play indie games since they are better so not an issue for me.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Or, people can stop hoarding games they're not playing. Keep only the games you currently play in rotation installed. Either way, open market storage is cheaper than it's ever been, ironically with inflation and economies the way that they are.
Skifi28
Member
Not happening. I need a daily reminder that I keep spending money to increase a backlog of games I will never have time to play. Everything needs to be installed at the same time.
JC 1080P CRT
Member
I use a meh-tier gaming laptop hooked to an external monitor as my daily driver for internet surfing, video watching, and non-work projects. It only has a 250 GB hard drive inside, and so for my Steam library I uninstall most large games currently not being played.
Meanwhile, my Steam Deck has a 1 TB SSD installed in it, and is purely used for gaming, and so I'm less hesitant about keeping infrequently played games on it.
That all said, the largest game I've played in the past few years was DOOM (2016), which is around 70 GB. Most of the games I play (AAs, indies, older titles, retro throwbacks) don't have file sizes anywhere near that large.
Meanwhile, my Steam Deck has a 1 TB SSD installed in it, and is purely used for gaming, and so I'm less hesitant about keeping infrequently played games on it.
That all said, the largest game I've played in the past few years was DOOM (2016), which is around 70 GB. Most of the games I play (AAs, indies, older titles, retro throwbacks) don't have file sizes anywhere near that large.
demented waffle
Member
Most people have a decent internet connection anyways. Not sure what this even accomplishes. I guess people with shitty internet connections unite or something.
This is going by my previous post.
This is going by my previous post.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Seriously.
Anyone space limited on PC is doing something very wrong.
The main bullshit with these games sizes is the download.....yeah I know people are gonna post their gigabit uncapped internet plans, but alot of people arent as lucky.
But the actual space....mate, spend 100 bucks you have 2TBs that will last you a while even with all these 100GBs games.
Assuming you somehow clear that 2TB in a year you buy another 2TB....if you finish that uninstall that shit from 2 years ago.
And/or buy then cheap Gen4 4TB drives.
PC gamers have been prepared for years....I dont know anyone IRL who has ever actually thought to themselves shit im running outta space for my games, cuz everyone who got M.2 drives got 1 or 2TB even when they were overpriced, and they have massive HDDs for cold storage or for games where they dont particularly care to have SSD speeds.
So unprepared......PCGamer are clearly out of touch
LiquidMetal14
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All Gen 4 NVME or SSD.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
What motherboard do you have?
All Gen 4 NVME or SSD.
4xGen4s at Gen 4 speeds and 3xSata drives?
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demented waffle
Member
All Gen 4 NVME or SSD.
Ya, it aint pc players who are underprepared. Even console players are good with a decent internet.
LiquidMetal14
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ROG Strix x670e-F. Populating all the storage lots. Missing PCIe5 but the board has it. May upgrade to that in a year or two to take advantage of that.
demented waffle
Member
demented waffle
Member
The average console gamer is no less prepared. Only takes a decent internet. It's not like you have to download petabytes per month or anything.
This is nothing more than click bait.
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A.Romero
Member
I have several 1tb ssd drives and still need to delete games from time to time.
I like to have many games installed so I can play when the mood strikes but it's never enough. I have a single M2 port on my mobo left, I'm waiting for prices to come further down (they lower than before right now) so I can add another 2 tb to the computer.
Games are definitely big. However, I wouldn't want it to be otherwise unless there was absolutely no impact on the game itself.
I like to have many games installed so I can play when the mood strikes but it's never enough. I have a single M2 port on my mobo left, I'm waiting for prices to come further down (they lower than before right now) so I can add another 2 tb to the computer.
Games are definitely big. However, I wouldn't want it to be otherwise unless there was absolutely no impact on the game itself.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Thats like 48 PCIE lanes?
You getting full speed on everything?
LiquidMetal14
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Not sure of the exact breakdown but the 4090 gets full bandwidth and the rest is spread based on load.
They all bench at full speed. I haven't done any serious benchmarks to stress all at once but very satisfied with performance.
calistan
Member
Sounds like a shit ISP issue. Around 20 minutes to download Jedi Survivor for me, and PC gamers can add unlimited storage of any type, from super cheap to high end.
demented waffle
Member
LiquidMetal14
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Yes. I don't have time nor have I bothered to do extensive testing but have done a ton initially to get the stable PBO OC on top of the 202core/1475mem OC for my GPU.
raduque
Member
I have a 1tb Adata Legend 800, a 1tb Samsung 960 qvo, a 1tb pny, a 3tb 7200rpm sata and a 4tb junk drawer drive.
The Legend 800 is my boot drive
960 QVO is my data drive
PNY is a scratch disk for DaVinci Resolve proxy cache
3tb is a Hitachi 7200 rpm for archived game storage (games I might want to play again after finishing them)
The 4tb is a WD green with one maybe bad sector, it keeps flipping. I use it for bulk non critical stuff.
I also have a network storage server using Drive Pool that has a total of 38tb for archiving and my collection of Linux isos.
I think I'm good for storage.
The Legend 800 is my boot drive
960 QVO is my data drive
PNY is a scratch disk for DaVinci Resolve proxy cache
3tb is a Hitachi 7200 rpm for archived game storage (games I might want to play again after finishing them)
The 4tb is a WD green with one maybe bad sector, it keeps flipping. I use it for bulk non critical stuff.
I also have a network storage server using Drive Pool that has a total of 38tb for archiving and my collection of Linux isos.
I think I'm good for storage.
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LiquidMetal14
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We're living in a NAS world, like a NAS girl.
Sporting a 50TB (5x10TB Ironwolf) myself.
LordOfChaos
Member
How many PC games currently actually require an SSD, asking genuinely? Is bulk HDD storage starting to become unfeasible?
LiquidMetal14
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Yes. And it really needs to advance. We are struggling to take advantage of powerful HW on PC. That means dev/api/software needs maturing more and that baseline needs to go up. Like Moore's Law is Dead channel said, the bottom needs to be an 8GB~ 3050.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Pretty much only Star Citizen becomes "unplayable" without an SSD.....otherwise there are no games the actually require an SSD.
You can totally survive using an HDD.
I dont think we will even see a game any time soon that forces you to use an SSD or streams anywhere near enough information on the fly to be a huge determent to the gaming experience.
Id love to be proven wrong.
So an RTX2060S or even GTX1070(ti)?
Like the current spec for many AAA games are right now?
LiquidMetal14
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In certain ways, yes. I think the subject is being brushed on by DF and channels like the one I mentioned and needs to continue to be discussed and advanced.
I started saying this privately about 6 months ago in that we are in a time that our high end systems aren't being fully taken advantage of when they are exponentially more powerful than consoles. The consoles always have that advantage of punching above their weight class but the PS5, specifically, has given even the enthusiast PC gamer like me something to admire.
But this is a multi faceted discussion. Bottom line is we need more advanced API and access to the HW implemented yesterday. Some of it seems to be on the way.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I have a 512GB NVME and 2 1TD SATA SSDs. This setup is practically prehistoric at this point, I got all of the drives 5+ years ago, but I haven't felt the need to upgrade at all.
Hoddi
Member
I’m not sure if I’m misrembering but since when is a 100GB game a major issue for PC users? We’ve had countless games in that range over the past decade.
Any desktop tower worth its salt is able to have multiple SATA drives installed regardless of whether it’s SSD/HDD. If you need more space then you simply add more of it.
Hell, you can use SSD caching tools like PrimoCache if you want to keep your games on HDD and you’ll barely notice any difference.
Any desktop tower worth its salt is able to have multiple SATA drives installed regardless of whether it’s SSD/HDD. If you need more space then you simply add more of it.
Hell, you can use SSD caching tools like PrimoCache if you want to keep your games on HDD and you’ll barely notice any difference.
demented waffle
Member
100 GB games aren't that much of an issue for consoles either. Assuming you have decent internet. It's not an issue for my series X.
Def not an issue for my PC.
Def not an issue for my PC.
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