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[NX Gamer] AC: Valhalla - XsX vs PS5 - The first REAL head to head battle.

Thirty7ven

Sony make cringe trainers.
XSX GPU's clock speed is base clock speed with boost mode disabled. MS already stated their reasons for disabling boost mode and it's about reducing programming complexity.

It's up to MS to make the judgment call. Don't think your toy is something special.

Love it. XSX is less complex to program for than PS5 but we need to wait for devs to catch up to that truth because... reasons. XSX went with fixed clocks because it’s better and MS knows best but just in case it isn’t, they can... patch PS5 variable clocks because... reasons.

The denial is strong. Meanwhile people who predict these results are still being doubted, because somehow reality will bend itself to please people like you. We just need to wait for Doctor Strange to open up the multiverse portal and transport another dimension into our own.
 
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Hendrick's

Gold Member
For the next comparison?

That should either be WatchDogs or Call of Duty if im not wrong.

Edit: Does Watchdogs use the same engine as Valhalla?
I hear CoD is also slightly better on PS5. I'm saying it won't always be like like this and the tables will turn. When they do, these threads will be even more embarrassing.
 
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I hear CoD is also slightly better on PS5. I'm saying it won't always be like like this and the tables will turn. When they do, these threads will be even more embarrassing.

I'm not talking about the PS5 having better multiplats. We all know the XSX is the most powerful system. What people are saying is that all the rumors depicting the PS5 as an extremely weak next gen system are not going to come true. That's why the tables won't flip.
 

Hendrick's

Gold Member
I'm not talking about the PS5 having better multiplats. We all know the XSX is the most powerful system. What people are saying is that all the rumors depicting the PS5 as an extremely weak next gen system are not going to come true. That's why the tables won't flip.
Well I never said that about the PS5. And I'm seeing an awful lot of gloating over a cross-gen multiplat game that we all know is not using the full power of either system.
 
Well I never said that about the PS5. And I'm seeing an awful lot of gloating over a cross-gen multiplat game that we all know is not using the full power of either system.

I'm just talking about those that say there's a massive difference between the two. And even with optimizations it's not like the XSX will have staggering differences with the PS5. People need to keep their expectations in check for future multiplatform comparisons.
 

longdi

Banned

How long are we expected to wait before the tables are flipped on PS5?

DMC5 ran better on SX, no?
It is better in 3 of 4 scenarios.
The one worse scenario looks like a bug as the hi-fps mode ran about the same as non-hi-fps. Which may not be surprising when we heard SX version was supposed to be missing RT at launch 🤷‍♀️
 
DMC5 ran better on SX, no?
It is better in 3 of 4 scenarios.
The one worse scenario looks like a bug as the hi-fps mode ran about the same as non-hi-fps. Which may not be surprising when we heard SX version was supposed to be missing RT at launch 🤷‍♀️

With a difference in the single digits. If that's what an optimized game looks like then expect similar results to other multiplatform titles.

Still waiting on that 50% difference though. Even with the mess that the PS3 had in the beginning things didn't improve that much towards end of the generation. I know the XSXs situation isn't that bad.
 
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quest

Not Banned from OT
With a difference in the single digits. If that's what an optimized game looks like then expect similar results to other multiplatform titles.
They are saying the opposite capcom spent most of their time on the PS5 version. The series x was not going to get ray tracing till later. So capcom rushed a quicky upgrade for launch for the series x. It should of cooked months longer like originally planned instead it was well it works fuck it. I fully expect this the rest of the generation now since we are seeing it already.
 
They are saying the opposite capcom spent most of their time on the PS5 version. The series x was not going to get ray tracing till later. So capcom rushed a quicky upgrade for launch for the series x. It should of cooked months longer like originally planned instead it was well it works fuck it. I fully expect this the rest of the generation now since we are seeing it already.

So your saying that developers will cut corners on the XSX because it's more difficult to develop for? And your expecting this issue for the rest of the generation?

You almost make it sound like the XSX is Microsofts PS3 where ease of development is concerned.

I guess it's not so bad that Cerny made ease of development a focus then.

 
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geordiemp

Member
I'm just talking about those that say there's a massive difference between the two. And even with optimizations it's not like the XSX will have staggering differences with the PS5. People need to keep their expectations in check for future multiplatform comparisons.

I tell you what, 36 CU vs 52 CU, the CU utilisation difference between the 2 systems must be staggering and ps5 must be getting every ounce out of those CU blocks.

Once I saw hotchips with the 2 CPU halves split with server class CPU design, and those longer shader arrays and keeping 4 of them it seems to me MS is going after the streaming and play anywhere market first, but that is just my opinion.

MS maybe right at the end of the day, we are on gaming forum, we dont walk around the street catching Pokemon or playing games remotely on phones. Lets see.
 

Lysandros

Member
They are the same, here is a 800% to help:

XSX



PS5



EDIT: Actually looking at again, PS5 seems to be sharper and more detailed with XSX having finer details mushed. Look at the scar under his left eye (on the right). Seems the source on PS5 is coming from a higher resolution.
There is definitely something going on with the image quality of the XSX version. It might use lower quality textures or the internal resolution is around 30% lower here. It can also be heavy use of VRS to keep the performance on par with PS5.
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
So your saying that developers will cut corners on the XSX because it's more difficult to develop for? And your expecting this issue for the rest of the generation?

You almost make it sound like the XSX is Microsofts PS3 where ease of development is concerned.

I guess it's not so bad that Cerny made ease of development a focus then.

Sales is why the platform with the big user base lead will get the attention. The series x could be easy as pie but the PS5 will get the tweaks to be sure it is great for the biggest user base.
 
Sales is why the platform with the big user base lead will get the attention. The series x could be easy as pie but the PS5 will get the tweaks to be sure it is great for the biggest user base.

I haven't read anything about the XSX being easier to develop for just the opposite. Plus when comes to sales the XSS will probably outsell the XSX.
 
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sircaw

Just a lil finicky
You guys are setting yourself up for major embarrassment when the table inevitably flips. I will enjoy watching your meltdowns soon.

This is a ridiculous comment and some serious damage control if i have ever seen it

You and your brethren of xbox fanatics got given a good dosage of reality meds this past week. Even if xbox come out in tests in the future its meant to, just remember that ITS MEANT TOO. its 12 tflop machines vs 1 10.3. The fact that ps5 has managed to come out on top in assassins creed shows just how good and well thought out the ps5 is.

You can not take that away, the fact is the ps5 is punching above its weight.

Ps5 people were not expecting to beat the xbox in the first place, they were hoping for parity. Its you and your "i bleed for Phil brigade that expected that"

Eat your crow, stop making excuses and hope and pray the next game is not worse on the xbox, cos if it is we all know what rubbish your gonna say. "YOU JUST WAIT TILL THE NEXT GAME, you ps5 fan people are going to be so embarrassed." and so on and so on.

We, ps5 fans are not going to get embarrassed, we have achieved what Mark cerny set out to do, we are over the moon.

We have parity, a better controller, better games and an ssd that will change the way games will be made in the future for our system.

You have parity or a little bit better to look forward to on your beloved system.

We got an Anna Sewell special, you got a mule, both work, be happy
 
I hear CoD is also slightly better on PS5. I'm saying it won't always be like like this and the tables will turn. When they do, these threads will be even more embarrassing.

You hear that, guys? Because one day in the future a game will perform better on Series X you'll be EMBARRASSED for noticing the performance difference in PS5's favor right now! EMBARRASSED!
 

John Wick

Member
You guys are setting yourself up for major embarrassment when the table inevitably flips. I will enjoy watching your meltdowns soon.
Embarrassment from what? I expect the SX to be slightly more powerful in certain areas but not all. Your pathetic, what do you think the world will end because the SX might have better performance in some games???
We'll all be too busy playing our brilliant exclusives while you wait though
 
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What a dumb take. If anything, all it shows is Ubisoft either had more then to optimize the game on PS5, or that it is easier to develop for. It shows absolutely nothing else.

What are you gonna say when COD Cold War performs better on PS5 as well? That will seal the deal, PS5 will be the best place to play all these big 3rd party titles this gen. Quite the shock to some :messenger_beaming:
 
Proof?

You guys are so sad. Do any of you even own a PS5? Because I actually do.



Flushing all of the GPU caches whenever the SSD is read is an unattractive option it could really hurt the GPU performance.

Basically it's something unique to the PS5 and the SSD is constantly streaming in data in an open world game. In some situations its going to help the system.

What's sad about not owning a PS5? They've been pretty hard to get a hold of.

I've been trying for months and they are still really difficult to get. I mean I could always try a scalper but I don't want to support those people.
 
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I think this is a thread full of man-children gloating over a "victory" of a toy they don't even own. That's what's truly pathetic.

Not really I'm just happy my future purchase won't be garbage like some people were saying.

What are you doing?

Being disrespectful to people who are trying to get their hands on one. I'm not buying from a scalper no matter what happens.
 
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John Wick

Member
Well I never said that about the PS5. And I'm seeing an awful lot of gloating over a cross-gen multiplat game that we all know is not using the full power of either system.
It's not gloating because some fangirls on here were thinking SX would be native 4K and 60fps while the variable clock PS5 would be 1800p and 60fps. It's not the case as both sytems are quite close with each having different advantages.
 
MasterCornholio MasterCornholio m8, you do know this guy is being disingenuous don't you, i am pretty sure you know that.

Your not getting a fair shake with him, i know your on the straight and narrow and like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but these guys have dug their own graves and are now trying to worm their ways out of it.

I always believe in maintaining a level of respect no matter what the person says. I'm no fan of personal attacks or anything similar. Just in it for the discussion.

It's not gloating because some fangirls on here were thinking SX would be native 4K and 60fps while the variable clock PS5 would be 1800p and 60fps. It's not the case as both sytems are quite close with each having different advantages.

I actually was expecting 1800P vs 4K for multiplats and would have been ok with it. But since it seems like it's closer I'm even more happy with the results. It's just proof that both systems are worthy of their price points. There's nothing wrong with that.
 
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Don't worry about lil' Hendricks, MS marketing played a blinder with his thoughts going into this gen with all that 12teraflops talk, poor sod got lead down the garden path and across the stream thinking Series X would have the best performing 3rd party titles.

That was the last hope, after we found out there would be zero next gen exclusives to play on Xbox at launch :messenger_grinning_squinting:
 
Wait wait wait, let me get this straight. The same people who laughed at PS5 for being a 9TF last minute overclock in response to the Xbox being 12 are now waiting for a last minute overclock on the XSX for it to match the PS5s variable frequency approach?
Hahahaha this could not be any funnier

Assuming that Microsoft flips a switch and enables variable clocks.

How would that work?

The system was designed around fixed clocks so it can't be just a simple flip of a switch. The cooling system needs to be taken into consideration as well as the power controller. I don't know of either are built for higher variable clocks since they wanted fixed clocks in the beginning.
 

Edgelord79

Gold Member
1. Lol, no the CPU on PS5 isn't performing better than Xbox series x.

2. The bolded text proves my point that game development kit and time developers have with it plays a role. You can't brute force your way through bad coding / non efficient coding. Just look how emulation works on PC for example. Multiplatform games are having slight issues on xbox series x right now because of the dev kits being late and developers scrambling (especially now because of covid). This is why the xbox series x is getting late patches. I have no doubt this game will probably get patched on xbox series x soon.
Bingo. The ease of use of the development kits are pretty huge. It's been a consistent developer complaint.

Yet people seem to think for some reason that the PS5 has magic hardware. Inside the PS5. They don't. The SSD wasn't even relevant here. The magic they do have is in giving developers a more efficient kit to use and it translates to better optimization (hence the PS5 punches above it's weight). That is clearly something Microsoft needs to work on.

On paper the Series X is a better machine. End of story. Things in real life don't play out like on paper though.

If you have a TV that supports VRR, things may be different though. VRR is amazing.
 

DForce

Member
I think this is a thread full of man-children gloating over a "victory" of a toy they don't even own. That's what's truly pathetic.

You had no problem when XboxGAF thought Farcry 6 would be Native 4K on Xbox Series X and sub 4K on PlayStation 5.


Today you have XboxGAFers saying, "Both games look similar on both platforms, that's what we expected."

They weren't saying this back in July. :messenger_grinning_smiling:
 

sircaw

Just a lil finicky
Calling out these posers.

You should just say sorry, apologize and stop continuing your rubbish. You know the crew, the usual suspects that you went along with and indulged in this bullshit, you were all wrong, your one-upmanship failed.

And now, your here again, pulling the same bullshit and denial that you just got burnt on and your trying to pull the all innocent and my shit don't stink routine.

I got wankers like cagy k and co telling me to apologize to this forum for spreading fud and that i should be banned while all along it was people like him, lying and talking shit. where is he now, where is his apology to me. Nowhere to be fucking seen.

You guys need to do some serious reflection, you made fun at the ps5 and sony people for months and months, and you got fucking BURNT.

Stop with your bullshit dude, we are sick of it, we have been sick of it for months.
 
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yurinka

Member
Am I wrong to say that? Going down the spec sheet Microsoft xbox series x is more powerful than PS5 in virtually everything. Microsoft was late and therefore developers weren't able to utilize it as much. DMC is getting a late patch because Capcom just like almost every developer received the dev kit late. Not to mention this game can still get a patch for xbox series as well as PS5.
No, Series X isn't more powerful than PS5 in virtually everything.

PS5 GPU is 22% faster (which means better for some GPU related tasks), PS5 SSD loading is way faster (not just the SSD itself, the whole I/O system), PS5 wifi, bluetooth and USB are way faster and have way less latency. Series X CPU instead is <3% faster and has 18% more teraflops (which means better for some other GPU related tasks).

Each console has its pros and cons, that more or less compensate the ones of the other console, and mixed with the fact that devs -due to a lot of reasons- prefer to focus on the minimum common denominator and that modern scaling and reconstruction techniques make more difficult to spot scaling and other stuff, means that most native next gen games will provide pretty similar results outside maybe very technical comparision videos. This generation seems it's going to be the generation with closest comparisions between PS and Xbox in terms of game performance, or at least it's what we see when looking at the full hardware specs and results shown in the rushed for launch, crossgen multi games.

So it will be more important other differences like loading times (specially once everybody start using Oodle Texture on PS5), gamepad features, preferences on exclusives, preferences on PS Plus+Plus Collection+Now vs Gold+Gamepass+xCloud catalog, BC performance preferences, Remote Play vs whoever MS names their Remote Play feature performance difference, your library on the previous gen, preferences on Quick Resume vs faster overall loading times in native games+skipping menus and logos screens and having a quick access to load directly a specific part of all installed native games instead of a few recently played ones, etc.
 
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kyoji

Member
You should just say sorry, apologize and stop continuing your rubbish. You know the crew, the usual suspects that you went along with and indulged in this bullshit, you were all wrong, your one-upmanship failed.

And now, your here again, pulling the same bullshit and denial that you just got burnt on and your trying to pull the all innocent and my shit don't stink routine.

I got wankers like cagy k and co telling me to apologize to this forum for spreading fud and that i should be banned while all along it was people like him, lying and talking shit. where is he now, where is his apology to me. Nowhere to be fucking seen.

You guys need to do some serious reflection, you made fun at the ps5 and sony people for months and months, and you got fucking BURNT.

Stop with your bullshit dude, we are sick of it, we have been sick of it for months.
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