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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti launch/review day - 2017/03/09

Cyriades

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that is a sexy looking card.

Its hot as a firecracker, lol they say these cards are meant to run at 84c(thermal throttling begins) but i'd rather it run lower...like 70c's

Using afterburner fan curve I can get it to stay in the 70's but man is it loud! I'm told by a buyer on newegg he heard its not using a reference PCB! So it might be hard finding a aftermarket cooler.
 
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Thanks! It worked! :D

But omg this is way too scary for me... I got it up to 2076MHz and like close to 2000 points higher in 3DMarks Firestrike than stock clocking but started seeing green flashing squares by the end of the test :S So I think I'm graying out the voltage controls again lol

Breathe, man. Everything's going to be fine!

Just start lowering your clocks and slightly until you no longer see the artifacts during bench. Once you've found a good spot, you can lower voltage to see if you can still maintain them.

Did you unlock your voltage monitoring? What's the max voltage the card is hitting on those 2076 runs?

I can teach you how to create some voltage curves. That's the best way to find the perfect performance/voltage balance.
 

Fredrik

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Breathe, man. Everything's going to be fine!

Just start lowering your clocks and slightly until you no longer see the artifacts during bench. Once you've found a good spot, you can lower voltage to see if you can still maintain them.

Did you unlock your voltage monitoring? What's the max voltage the card is hitting on those 2076 runs?

I can teach you how to create some voltage curves. That's the best way to find the perfect performance/voltage balance.
Haha okay okay I'll try one more time tonight

I didn't catch the voltage, I had set it to +70 though, I think 650mV was the idle desktop voltage. My plan was to copy the overclocking seen in the pic on Guru3D's Lightning Z review, they had +100 on voltage and +700 on memory but once I applied those settings I started seeing strange squares right on the desktop when idle, so I deactivated it directly.

I'm not running in LN2 mode now btw.

Is the green squares an effect from too high voltage, too high core clock or too high memory clock?
 
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Haha okay okay I'll try one more time tonight

I didn't catch the voltage, I had set it to +70 though, I think 650mV was the idle desktop voltage. My plan was to copy the overclocking seen in the pic on Guru3D's Lightning Z review, they had +100 on voltage and +700 on memory but once I applied those settings I started seeing strange squares right on the desktop when idle, so I deactivated it directly.

I'm not running in LN2 mode now btw.

Is the green squares an effect from too high voltage, too high core clock or too high memory clock?

Too high mem or core clock (at max voltage), or too high mem or core clock at too low a voltage.

700 is a massive bump in memory; very few cards will hold that stable (including mine and I'm water-cooled and giving the card up to 1.1v).

If you can maintain 2076 on core you're probably in like the 80th percentile, which is really good. Then the question is how much voltage is your card requiring for it and what are your temps after x amount of time at that level.
 

Fredrik

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Too high mem or core clock (at max voltage), or too high mem or core clock at too low a voltage.

700 is a massive bump in memory; very few cards will hold that stable (including mine and I'm water-cooled and giving the card up to 1.1v).

If you can maintain 2076 on core you're probably in like the 80th percentile, which is really good. Then the question is how much voltage is your card requiring for it and what are your temps after x amount of time at that level.
I did another try tonight but I didn't do much better tbh, mem clock +450 and voltage +40 is stable for benchmarking but an hour of No Man's Sky and it crashed :/

I decreased everything a bit for stability and right now I'm going with these figures:

core voltage +30 %
power limit 112 %
temp limit 88 C
core clock +60 MHz
mem clock +350 MHz

AB tracks these numbers when benchmarking
voltage 1.075 V
max temp 57 C
core clock 2050 MHz
mem clock 5900 MHz

Thanks for helping out btw, I think I'm starting to understand the basics at least :)
 

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The Kingpin will cost 999 USD...

https://videocardz.com/press-release/evga-announces-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-kingpin-for-999-usd


 

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And the Lightning turned out to be $870. Also not worth it.

But yeah, they're pretty niche hardcore overclocking cards. People who are going to stick to air cooling probably already bought their 1080TI of choice or simply won't bother with those 2 cards due to the price.
 
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That was part of the question, but what would I put into a new build in the mean time that wouldn't be underpowered while I wait? I'm currently running a GTX 980, I could always just recycle that for the moment.

Well 11-series cards are likely 5-6 months out, maybe longer. Can you wait? If so, wait. However, if you are going to wait, then I'd suggest just waiting on the entire build. At that point you'll have more options for everything as well as lower prices for current parts.

Vega is an option too. You could get one of those. I mean, if you want to be uncool.

You don't want to be...uncool, do you?

/nVidia fanboyism
 

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That was part of the question, but what would I put into a new build in the mean time that wouldn't be underpowered while I wait? I'm currently running a GTX 980, I could always just recycle that for the moment.

I mean, you can get a 1080Ti and then upgrade to a new hotness once it will hit the market.
 
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About to buy a 1080 ti and leaning towards the strix because of pretty good feedback.

But at that price point isn't it better to just go with EVGA hybrid for a few bucks more?
 

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Geez, I didn't realize how much my 1080 Ti had spoiled me. I just put my 980 back in my HTPC since I'm moving the 1080 Ti to my main computer.

On my 3440x1440 monitor on Witcher 3 I was getting about 75-80 normally (this is everything maxed, but with hairworks off, and reshade throwing some extra SMAA on top of the in-game AA).

Same settings, my 980 is chugging along at about 35-40. Haha, jarring after months of using the 1080 Ti.

Unfortunately, in the near future my HTPC will be hooked up to a 4k TV instead of a 1080p TV, so I'm going to have to get something to drive that that actually fits in my HTPC case (Silverstone RVZ02), as I had to leave the side off the case for the MSI 1080 TI to fit (the case would rub and obstruct the cooling fans).
 
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It depends on market forces and timing but it's very possible to resell your card and recuperate a fairly high percentage of the initial sticker price. High end video cards retain value pretty nicely.

In my case I bought a 970, had it shipped to Australia from Amazon, and then got a partial refund because of the memory issue from Amazon, and then the Australian dollar declined in value so when I sold the 970 to another Australian a year later to upgrade to 980ti, I actually turned a small profit on having owned it, despite selling it for what was a fair second hand price at the time.

Obviously I got crazy lucky, but even in normal circumstances, you don't pay that much more. Dropping $150-300 every 18-24 months to stay at the state of the art is not that bad compared to some hobbies. That might not be worth it for you personally depending on your specific financial situation, but you don't have to be Mr Moneybags.
 

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And the Lightning turned out to be $870. Also not worth it.

But yeah, they're pretty niche hardcore overclocking cards. People who are going to stick to air cooling probably already bought their 1080TI of choice or simply won't bother with those 2 cards due to the price.
Nah, I honestly believe it's all about what's available once you jump in. 1080Ti's are all hardcore niche cards, people will simply buy what's best reviewed at the time they jump in. Some go for hybrids and strip the cards and get their own cooler etc because they like the modding but $100 more is seriously nothing when you've already accepted to pay ~$800 for a graphics card upgrade. If Lightning Z and Kingpin were available at launch then you can bet that more people here would've bought them, no doubt.

Imo, Kingpin looks great! Obviously not worth the money but none of the 1080Ti's are worth the money imo. Someone here needs to jump in and post some clocking results of that beast! =)

As for myself I bought the Lightning Z simply because I didn't jump off the fence until the Lightning launched. Pretending to be sane and go for a budget alternative and buy a cheaper 1080Ti seems totally strange to me when they're all so expensive. I just went with Lightning Z because I jumped in late and it reviewed so well. There was nothing more to it really. If I cared about the price I would've bought a $400 card instead :p
 

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Just tried the Strix OC bios during launch with modified voltage on my EVGA 1080TI ICX Black Edition. I can now hit constant 2063mhz @55C while running Superposition.

Score of 6331

Rest of the spec:

3770K @ 4.7ghz
16GB of DDR3 1600mhz OC to 2002mhz
Windows 10

I think I can improve it even further.
 
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All this talk of graphics card upgrades, might as well put my 390 on Craigslist, see if I can't make a decent return on it.

Definitely need at least a 1070 now that I'm at 1440p
 
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Just tried the Strix OC bios during launch with modified voltage on my EVGA 1080TI ICX Black Edition. I can now hit constant 2063mhz @55C while running Superposition.

Score of 6331

Rest of the spec:

3770K @ 4.7ghz
16GB of DDR3 1600mhz OC to 2002mhz
Windows 10

I think I can improve it even further.

Nice. How much voltage are you giving it?
 

Aztechnology

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All this talk of graphics card upgrades, might as well put my 390 on Craigslist, see if I can't make a decent return on it.

Definitely need at least a 1070 now that I'm at 1440p

It will still be semi inflated due to crypto. But you missed the window for big profits on the card.
 

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Zotac mini has been released in UK. I got mine today.
9549 GPU score in the free Time Spy benchmark. So more or less a smaller and quieter FE at stock? Using the 384 drivers.
 

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Nah, I honestly believe it's all about what's available once you jump in. 1080Ti's are all hardcore niche cards, people will simply buy what's best reviewed at the time they jump in. Some go for hybrids and strip the cards and get their own cooler etc because they like the modding but $100 more is seriously nothing when you've already accepted to pay ~$800 for a graphics card upgrade. If Lightning Z and Kingpin were available at launch then you can bet that more people here would've bought them, no doubt.

Imo, Kingpin looks great! Obviously not worth the money but none of the 1080Ti's are worth the money imo. Someone here needs to jump in and post some clocking results of that beast! =)

As for myself I bought the Lightning Z simply because I didn't jump off the fence until the Lightning launched. Pretending to be sane and go for a budget alternative and buy a cheaper 1080Ti seems totally strange to me when they're all so expensive. I just went with Lightning Z because I jumped in late and it reviewed so well. There was nothing more to it really. If I cared about the price I would've bought a $400 card instead :p

This "waiting game" with VGA never ends. I just bought an 4k/HDR TV and my 1070 G1 can't handle it. So I dont know if I buy an 1080Ti now or wait for Volta. If nvidia could at least say the release date for Volta would make things way easier. =/
 

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This "waiting game" with VGA never ends. I just bought an 4k/HDR TV and my 1070 G1 can't handle it. So I dont know if I buy an 1080Ti now or wait for Volta. If nvidia could at least say the release date for Volta would make things way easier. =/
Yeah it's the downside of PC gaming for sure, I've only had a gaming PC for 4 years and the 1080Ti Lightning Z is my 3rd card. :/ 780ti-980ti-1080ti. I love new tech and I don't like to wait. Bad combo! :p

From nvidia's perspective it makes sense to keep quiet though. If they would say that Volta will arrive in 6 months then lots of people will wait for Volta. If they say nothing at all and surprise launch it then people will buy 1080ti's all the way up to the Volta launch.

I think I've mentioned it before. You all should check out the stock market! My Lightning Z was fully payed only by earnings from investing in the invidia stock. Nvidia has been on fire on the stock market this year! The earnings report goes up in the first half of august, don't remember the exact date. Unless they've truly f'ed up something the stock will go up after the report is published. Put in a small sum just to try it out.
 
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This "waiting game" with VGA never ends. I just bought an 4k/HDR TV and my 1070 G1 can't handle it. So I dont know if I buy an 1080Ti now or wait for Volta. If nvidia could at least say the release date for Volta would make things way easier. =/

The Digital Foundry approach to getting budget 4k gameplay on a 970 (targeting 30hz mainly of course) was to render subnatively - 1800p is a pretty good one, being 83% of a 2160p presentation and really helping to alleviate some of those 4k bottlenecks.

A TV will last longer than a videocard in most cases, so I'm planning to take this approach with my 980ti (basically on par with your 1070) @ 4k. Rendering most games at 1440p or 1800p unless they're lightweight enough for full 4k. At some point in the future when I upgrade to a Volta x80ti, I will probably be able to get the full 4k experience on most titles @ 60hz. A subnative 4k presentation is still a lot better looking than a native 1080p presentation, so it feels inadvisable to say "go for a 1080ti now!' because ultimately it will still show it's limits in some cases and the value per dollar is lower. If you want the best of the best, that's totally fine too, it's just something to keep in mind if you're value conscious.
 

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The Digital Foundry approach to getting budget 4k gameplay on a 970 (targeting 30hz mainly of course) was to render subnatively - 1800p is a pretty good one, being 83% of a 2160p presentation and really helping to alleviate some of those 4k bottlenecks.

A TV will last longer than a videocard in most cases, so I'm planning to take this approach with my 980ti (basically on par with your 1070) @ 4k. Rendering most games at 1440p or 1800p unless they're lightweight enough for full 4k. At some point in the future when I upgrade to a Volta x80ti, I will probably be able to get the full 4k experience on most titles @ 60hz. A subnative 4k presentation is still a lot better looking than a native 1080p presentation, so it feels inadvisable to say "go for a 1080ti now!' because ultimately it will still show it's limits in some cases and the value per dollar is lower. If you want the best of the best, that's totally fine too, it's just something to keep in mind if you're value conscious.

That's a good option, but I stay like 0,90m from the TV, so anything lower than the native 4k is very noticeable. What I do is locking frames at 50hz with Vsync (games that supports it) and lowering some settings like AA, shadows and Ambient Occlusion.
I think I will wait for Volta, because like you said, even the 1080ti can't handle some games at 4k/ultra, and there is Metro Exodus next year. =D
 

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The point is, if you spend 1200$ for cpu and gpu (7700k and 1080ti) at least buy a 1440p 144hz monitor.

You can have 100+ fps with a 1070 in any game, just don't max out stupid settings like shadows, reflections and msaa or ssaa.
I would buy a 1440p monitor or a 4K one but really can't atm, I only got a new PC because a friend traveled to the US and brought me the parts. A 4K monitor costs roughly U$855 in Brazil.

I plan to get a GSync when I have the money. Between resolution and all that I'll always go for higher framerates/fluidity.

I don't think screens do Wildlands justice. It looks fantastic! It's open world and there's a lot going on, great lighting model, rendering of materials and effects, etc. But yes, it's extremely intensive. My wife's 1070, using the in-game bench, was shy of 60 fps average on Ultra.

Ubisoft has some of the best-looking games out right now- Wildlands and last year's The Division. Oddly those two and Watch Dogs 2 are on three different engines, according to my google search, at least.

TW3 can run on a 1080 Ti at 4K60 maxed without issue so you are set there.
Damn, I'm curious now, will check it out asap.

True, but as the framerates get higher, it becomes increasingly likely that you'll be bottlenecked by your CPU. Which is a problem, as while you have plenty of granularity when it comes to enabling and disabling stuff that stresses the GPU, there doesn't tend to be much you can do to reduce the CPU load.
Bottlenecked, really? :|

My new setup:
Asus TUF Mark I
i7 6700K (Will OC to 4.8 if possible) + Corsair H100
Corsair Dominator 2x8GB DDR4-3200
1080Ti Amp! Edition

If you say that this will bottleneck I'll get depressed. :(
 

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CFL is mainstream platform (socket 1151) hexacore being built on the same 14nm as KBL/SKX.

CNL is a 10nm shrink of KBL and it will come to notebook markets first, in the form of 2C and 4C dies with iGPU. They will probably make an 1151 6C on it too but no one knows when this will happen - likely no sooner than a year from now.
Oh, hmmmmm.
So Coffee is 8XXX series and Cannon is 9XXX.
 

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Buy -> sell -> buy -> sell -> buy.... always takes the pain out of upgrading for me. Also, impatience.

Yup. In like 6 years of fairly consistent (nearly every year) GPU upgrades I've spent like $200. Most the time because I buy during deals i end up getting almost all my money back. Sometimes I even make a profit. As I might with my 1070. Definitely did with my 770's.
 

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Yeah it's the downside of PC gaming for sure, I've only had a gaming PC for 4 years and the 1080Ti Lightning Z is my 3rd card. :/ 780ti-980ti-1080ti. I love new tech and I don't like to wait. Bad combo! :p

My current tower was built end of January 2016 and I'm already on my third card :p. 390 to fury to 1080 ti SC2. I was able to resell both of them for around what I bought them at which was nice.

I'm thinking of replacing the thermal paste on my SC2 with the noctura nt-H1. Anyone have any suggestions or advice before I go through with this? I want to see if I can get it a little cooler and improve the clock speeds a little more.
 

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I was rockin' 3x 980Tis until a few months ago and now have a single 1080Ti. I game @ 4k/60Hz.

A single 1080Ti is fine @ 4k for games like Doom but for more demanding games it's not really enough. Does it pay to pick up a 2nd 1080Ti at this point or should I just wait for Volta? Not many new games support SLI anymore anyways.
 

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Most likely, yes. It's also expected that first CFLs (K-variants specifically with unlocked OC) will launch in about a month.
Oh shit, really?? I was itching to get the 7800X, but I’ll wait for the 8600K/8700K then.
 

Fredrik

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My current tower was built end of January 2016 and I'm already on my third card :p. 390 to fury to 1080 ti SC2.
okay I guess I shouldn't complain ;D

I was able to resell both of them for around what I bought them at which was nice.
Well that makes things a lot better!
I've sold mine for about a third of what I bought them for. :p But I still think it's okay. I've accepted that this hobby is expensive. I'm just glad that I hasn't been forced to swap the CPU/RAM/MB atleast. I definitely notice that the rig is a bit bottlenecked though, the GPU is fast as lightning (lol) but I still don't get nearly as high scores on benchmarks as I see on overclocking articles with the same graphics card. But it's fast enough for now, I'll probably upgrade the whole rig when I jump in on 4K instead, I'm still on 1080p screens.
 
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anyone having issues with screen tearing in borderless window mode in your games?

I installed the most recent version of the Creator's update and the most recent 1080ti driver and I'm getting tearing which was not present before the updates.
 
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There's a lot of people complaining about Nvidia drivers and the Creators update, generally.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/6oubum/nvidia_confirms_stuttering_fps_drops_lag_problems/

Try a known old stable version (382.53) and see if it fixes it.

roger that. will do.

interestingly, my issue is just for games that I want to run in borderless window fullscreen mode that I get the tearing. specifically those games that I want to limit the framerate to my monitor refresh rate. never an issue before now; was thinking maybe something in this most recent Creator's update (the one that added 3D paint) changed how borderless fullscreen works.

I'd just rather a simple game like diablo 3 wasn't running at 160fps and making the fan louder. If I leave the game with the framerate limiter off the game is fine; as soon as I lock i to the monitor refresh, the tearing is everywhere.

anyway, rolling back drivers with DDU. If 382.53 isn't better I'll assume I'm just going to have to grit and bear it like everyone else until the next driver update addresses whatever the problem is.
 

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Well that makes things a lot better!
I've sold mine for about a third of what I bought them for. :p But I still think it's okay. I've accepted that this hobby is expensive. I'm just glad that I hasn't been forced to swap the CPU/RAM/MB atleast. I definitely notice that the rig is a bit bottlenecked though, the GPU is fast as lightning (lol) but I still don't get nearly as high scores on benchmarks as I see on overclocking articles with the same graphics card. But it's fast enough for now, I'll probably upgrade the whole rig when I jump in on 4K instead, I'm still on 1080p screens.

That's a great attitude to have. I've accepted its a hobby with a certain cost to it (although not as expensive as off roading, Christ I'm done with that) and that cost is almost always going to be a sunk cost. As long as your having fun thats all that really matters. Whats the point of money if you never do anything with it.

I'm at the same point as you. I'm still stuck on 1080p screens for a little bit (I just moved for a new job and don't want to spend money right now) but I think I'm gonna go 1440p 144hz for my next two monitors.

I finally caved and upgraded from an i5 to a delidded 6700k and I grabbed another 16 GBs of ram. At this point I think this tower is done. When I build a new one in a few years I'm gonna look at the current ryzen/intel i9 options.
 
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I was rockin' 3x 980Tis until a few months ago and now have a single 1080Ti. I game @ 4k/60Hz.

A single 1080Ti is fine @ 4k for games like Doom but for more demanding games it's not really enough. Does it pay to pick up a 2nd 1080Ti at this point or should I just wait for Volta? Not many new games support SLI anymore anyways.

SLI can be a pain in the ass but two 1080Tis will beat a Volta.
 

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Alright, here are my scores and parameters:

Specs:

3770K @ 4.7GHZ
ASUS Sabertooth Z77
4x4GB Corsair DDR3 1600mhz @ 2002mhz
EVGA GTX 1080 TI Black Edition OC ICX
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Voltage:


Afterburner preset: