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Rumor New Sonic 30th Anniversary details leaked by credible Nintendo leaker Zippo

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What’s the deal with Sonic 3 btw? Why can’t they release it again??

edit. Just saw the reply above.
Why can’t they just change the music track? Can’t be that hard...
 
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A long haul flight from wherever you are.
Here we go again.

 
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I'm calling fake. The timing of his "leak" is too convenient, especially as most of the information is actually now just based off what is already out there (voice actors leaving, tyson hesse saying that sega not interested in classic sonic, sonic prime's tone direction etc)

And as if he was told there are mutiple playable characters although he was not told who they actually were? So his informants just happened to hold back that information but had no problem spilling the rest? Doesnt add up.

The rest just seems like educated guesses, especially what is obviously going to be Sega's next move in ditching the boost.
 

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What’s the deal with Sonic 3 btw? Why can’t they release it again??

Michael Jackson did some of the songs from the game, I guess Carnival Night, Ice cap and Launch base. SEGA always have this shit licenses problems, if you remember Shinobi countless revision.


If you played Sonic 3 Knuckles Collection for PC, all musics with licenses got traded for the prototype music.
 
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Michael Jackson did some of the songs from the game, I guess Carnival Night, Ice cap and Launch base. SEGA always have this shit licenses problems, if you remember Shinobi countless revision.


If you played Sonic 3 Knuckles Collection for PC, all musics with licenses got traded for the prototype music.
Which is a shame because Sonic 3&K music totally rocks.
But yeah, I can see why it's a licensing minefield.

I'm calling fake. The timing of his "leak" is too convenient, especially as most of the information is actually now just based off what is already out there (voice actors leaving, tyson hesse saying that sega not interested in classic sonic, sonic prime's tone direction etc)

And as if he was told there are mutiple playable characters although he was not told who they actually were? So his informants just happened to hold back that information but had no problem spilling the rest? Doesnt add up.

The rest just seems like educated guesses, especially what is obviously going to be Sega's next move in ditching the boost.
Yeah, could very well be educated guesses + fake news. In case there's some truth behind it, though, it wouldn't sound bad at all.
If the rumor is true, we should begin to have some official news in the coming weeks.
 
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Let's see if I get this straight...

They're shoving Sonic Mania, which btw is one of most praised Sonic games in a long time, calling it a "fanmade old hat", even though it is an official game from Sega, hiring Dimps again, which btw wasted decades trying(and failing) to do what Mania just did in its first attempt and still gonna have the courage to release a collection with no Sonic 3?

Why those recent Sonic rumors looks like real bad? If this ends up being true its only shows me they don't give a damn about Sonic at all.

Why does Sega seem to have such a hate boner for Mania? It's obvious they can't make a great 3D Sonic(I hope they do someday), so why not go with proven success?

Probably because of Sonic Team. I mean, how dare Taxman and his team did a sucessfull game against a Team of Sonic games veterans?

Which is a shame because Sonic 3&K music totally rocks.
But yeah, I can see why it's a licensing minefield.

They can do but they won't because they're lazy and incopetent.

Sonic 3 does not need Michael Jackson music. They have an alternative soundtrack from Sonic 3 prototype, which could be easly swapped and end this licensing stupid problem. They already did that(kinda) with the Mega Collection from PC ages ago.
 
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hiring Dimps again,
That's one of the most confusing parts of this that made me want to doubt this is true, the DIMPS games sucked, they were hated, they got a reputation for trashy gameplay, they had a chance at doing "Classic Sonic" with Sonic 4 and royally fucked it up, ...so SEGA decide to hire them AGAIN for a new 2D Sonic??????? Especially when the Mania team is right there who have just put out one of the best Sonic games of the past decade and half!
 
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I grow tired of boost gameplay, just hearing it's gone makes me happy and looking forward to what the game is.

Might still be awful but I at least want to give it a fair shake before dismissing it. Been craving a good sonic game lately.
 
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Let's see if I get this straight...

They're shoving Sonic Mania, which btw is one of most praised Sonic games in a long time, calling it a "fanmade old hat", even though it is an official game from Sega, hiring Dimps again, which btw wasted decades trying(and failing) to do what Mania just did in its first attempt and still gonna have the courage to release a collection with no Sonic 3?

Why those recent Sonic rumors looks like real bad? If this ends up being true its only shows me they don't give a damn about Sonic at all.



Probably because of Sonic Team. I mean, how dare Taxman and his team did a sucessfull game against a Team of Sonic games veterans?



They can do but they won't because they're lazy and incopetent.

Sonic 3 does not need Michael Jackson music. They have an alternative soundtrack from Sonic 3 prototype, which could be easly swapped and end this licensing stupid problem. They already did that(kinda) with the Mega Collection from PC ages ago.
How is Mania anything other than a one-off celebration?
It's cool and colorful (and Studiopolis zone is AMAZING) but for the most part is really copy-paste of Mega Drive chapters, with worse wall collisions and very crap bosses. I liked the game but, frankly, that's not something to serialize. Just like Streets of Rage.

I agree DIMPS is confusing but Rush and Rush Adventure were very good and totally fun, so there's that.

As for S3 licences, if it was simple they probably would have already done that. Even CDProjekt said releasing old abandoned games on GOG was a nightmare because eveyone owned a different piece of a game. I guess it's the same thing here.
 

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How is Mania anything other than a one-off celebration?
It's cool and colorful (and Studiopolis zone is AMAZING) but for the most part is really copy-paste of Mega Drive chapters, with worse wall collisions and very crap bosses. I liked the game but, frankly, that's not something to serialize. Just like Streets of Rage.

A copy paste that Sega didn't have the competency to do with their most "modern" games anyway. And it's not like they didn't tried to do this through years, Advance series, Rush and Sonic 4 were all failed attempts(while implementing a dumb thing here and there). To say that Mania is just one-off celebration is pure downplaying its sucess.

I agree DIMPS is confusing but Rush and Rush Adventure were very good and totally fun, so there's that.

Pff, Rush and Rush Adventure were no different from Advance 3 in terms of formula, although in Sonic Advance 3 it wasn't exactly a boost but it was the starting point of it. Really those games are not a big deal, its nothing but a lamish boost game.

As for S3 licences, if it was simple they probably would have already done that.

They don't do that because they don't want to waste resources in making a decent collection. Either they just want to cash grab(like they have being doing for years) or they lack competent programers to do this type of work. If it wasn't for Taxman, Mania would nothing but a failed attempt like Sonic 4 was.
 
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A copy paste that Sega didn't have the competency to do with their most "modern" games anyway. And it's not like they didn't tried to do this through years, Advance series, Rush and Sonic 4 were all failed attempts(while implementing a dumb thing here and there). To say that Mania is just one-off celebration is pure downplaying its sucess.



Pff, Rush and Rush Adventure were no different from Advance 3 in terms of formula, although in Sonic Advance 3 it wasn't exactly a boost but it was the starting point of it. Really those games are not a big deal, its nothing but a lamish boost game.



They don't do that because they don't want to waste resources in making a decent collection. Either they just want to cash grab(like they have being doing for years) or they lack competent programers to do this type of work. If it wasn't for Taxman, Mania would nothing but a failed attempt like Sonic 4 was.

I agree that Mania has done what Sonic Team itself couldn't.
Still, I totally understand why it's considered a celebratory fan game from Sega.
And, as cool as it turned out as a project, I agree with that sentiment honestly.

Can't comment on Rush and Rush Adventure because we'd just jump at each other opinions, but it makes business sense to give a project to a team you're already used working with, and that has done objectively good work.
 
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A potential goodie for us Adventure fans in regards to the casting.

Not getting my hopes up on this one. Sega isn't that good. They won't do this. I guarantee it.
 

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Unless it’s a full adventure game with “ go fast “ only used in special actions ... sonic is always going to be horrible in 3D.
 

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  • The rest of the current voice cast will be following Roger Craig Smith (Sonic), Cindy Robinson (Amy), and Colleen O'Shaughnessey (Tails) on their departures.

  • Warren Graff and Ken Pontac will no longer be writing for the games. (Already semi-confirmed through LinkedIn and a recent interview with Ken Pontac.)

  • SEGA of America is in charge of the series - management done by a branch known as the 'Sonic Pillar' in Irvine, California. They're calling the shots when it comes to games, merch, social media, etc. SOJ is well aware of how much more popular the franchise is in the west, so they've been entrusted with its care. Development still being done by Sonic Team Japan.

  • The 30th Anniversary is being described as a new "era" for Sonic.

  • Modern Sonic will be the focus for the franchise going forward in both 2D and 3D games. Mania was apparently a one-off thing (with Classic Sonic being described as "old hat"), and fans of the classic era should look to fangames for further installments, such as Sonic Mania Megamix, Sonic Galactic, Sonic Roboblast 2, Sonic 2 HD, etc.

  • There will be a split in both 2D and 3D gameplay; 2D will only exist in exclusively 2D games, and 3D games will be exclusively 3D from this point forward.

  • A new Sonic collection is rumored to come out in June. Will include a majority of classic games and also games that haven't been in circulation for years. Won't include Sonic 3.

  • Status of new Mario&Sonic Olympics game is tentative at the moment due to the pandemic and controversy surrounding China.

  • New Modern Sonic 2D game. Possibly developed by Dimps.

  • Next 3D Sonic game will:
    -Not feature boost
    -Full 3D game
    -Features return of spindash in 3D and character upgrades
    -More playable characters rather than solely Sonic
    -First game conceptualized by the 'Sonic Pillar' in the US.
    -Entirely new team at Sonic Team, featuring a bunch of new hires post-Forces.
    -Cross-gen game
    -Holiday 2021, although might get delayed to 2022 if quality standards aren't met. SEGA wants to get this one right.
    -No tie-in with the movie franchise.

  • Reveals should start rolling out from the next few weeks to the end of March, although an announcement might come in a couple of days.

  • More guest appearances in other games, similar to Puyo Puyo Tetris.

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Going with my thoughts on each thing.


  • The rest of the current voice cast will be following Roger Craig Smith (Sonic), Cindy Robinson (Amy), and Colleen O'Shaughnessey (Tails) on their departures.
Sad to see RCS go, but was not a fan of Tails' VA at all. Sounded too gruff and masculine for Tails.

  • Warren Graff and Ken Pontac will no longer be writing for the games. (Already semi-confirmed through LinkedIn and a recent interview with Ken Pontac.)
Not sure if this is a good or bad thing as I was not a fan of Forces storyline.

  • SEGA of America is in charge of the series - management done by a branch known as the 'Sonic Pillar' in Irvine, California. They're calling the shots when it comes to games, merch, social media, etc. SOJ is well aware of how much more popular the franchise is in the west, so they've been entrusted with its care. Development still being done by Sonic Team Japan.
Aaron Webber likely headed this idea, and to be honest....SEGA of America maybe the better side to understand Sonic, but I hope this is the only thing SEGA of America is doing as they did awful work with Phantasy Star Universe, Valkyria Chronicles and even Resonance of Fate. Waiting to see how this Sonic Pillar does, if true.

  • The 30th Anniversary is being described as a new "era" for Sonic.
Hoo boy....heard this one before, I doubt it will be any different to last time. If they fail, they will simply rely on the older Era.

  • Modern Sonic will be the focus for the franchise going forward in both 2D and 3D games. Mania was apparently a one-off thing (with Classic Sonic being described as "old hat"), and fans of the classic era should look to fangames for further installments, such as Sonic Mania Megamix, Sonic Galactic, Sonic Roboblast 2, Sonic 2 HD, etc.
Not liking this idea at all. Mania sold just as well as Forces and telling their Classic Era fans to look elsewhere will surely mean their backbone fanbase will be gone. They should have stuck with the Classic Design for 2D games and give them a modest budget if they are serious about trying to make Modern Sonic more popular.

I personally think this is the incorrect way to do things and will really put pressure on the new Sonic Team to make quality games from now on. If this new game fails to live up to expectations, they may have just killed their back-up in 2D Sonic games.


  • There will be a split in both 2D and 3D gameplay; 2D will only exist in exclusively 2D games, and 3D games will be exclusively 3D from this point forward.
This should have been done from the start. Ilzuka is really terrible in directing the 2D side for years now.

  • A new Sonic collection is rumored to come out in June. Will include a majority of classic games and also games that haven't been in circulation for years. Won't include Sonic 3.
When they say Classic games, is it the same tried and tested Mega Drive games? Would be nice to see Knuckles' Chaotix, SEGASonic Hedgehog and possibly the GBA games on the collection. I don't expect Sonic 3 to ever be put back on the collection unless they change out the music.

Status of new Mario&Sonic Olympics game is tentative at the moment due to the pandemic and controversy surrounding China.

Didn't they already release the game in Japan? Not sure whether this rumour is legit.

  • New Modern Sonic 2D game. Possibly developed by Dimps.
I dread to think what they are going to do with the game....since they love Boosts and Bumpers to keep Sonic going. I have no faith in Dimps in making a good 2D game either.

Next 3D Sonic game will:
-Not feature boost
-Full 3D game
-Features return of spindash in 3D and character upgrades
-More playable characters rather than solely Sonic
-First game conceptualized by the 'Sonic Pillar' in the US.
-Entirely new team at Sonic Team, featuring a bunch of new hires post-Forces.
-Cross-gen game
-Holiday 2021, although might get delayed to 2022 if quality standards aren't met. SEGA wants to get this one right.
-No tie-in with the movie franchise.

No Boost, New Sonic Team, No Movie Tie-In and having other Characters is a step in the right direction, but 3D Spindash and Character Upgrades sounds worrying.

I will hold judgement of the Sonic Pillar but judging by the endless Sonic Twitter Posts, feels like they may meme Sonic even more than usual.

Quality Standards is definitely a problem over at SEGA, seemed to ignored Forces problems the last time they mentioned this. (Don't hate Forces but felt that it was off)


  • Reveals should start rolling out from the next few weeks to the end of March, although an announcement might come in a couple of days.
Looking forward to the announcements regardless.

  • More guest appearances in other games, similar to Puyo Puyo Tetris.
As long as they are only Cameos and don't ruin the other games, then I am okay with this. Sonic in PPT2 was a pleasant surprise.

I am quite cautious about whether they can pull it off but I wish them all the best and make Sonic great again.
 
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You’re not a Sonic fan, my guy. It’s been fucking 25 years since the last 2D Sonic game from SEGA. The future of the franchise doesn’t lie with a fucking sprite games made by some fan. And you do realise the writing staff for Sonic games has been shifted twice since 06, right? Jesus, you’re edgy.

The future of the franchise, shure! Isn't Sonic already dead since none of the 3D games are great, just 2 or 3 okey?

You can bitch 2D games as you want. It won't change how trash 3D Sonic is. It's more than trash, after 06 they've done Boom... Who does that? Read it again, after 06, they did Boom, fucking Boom that even made cried handicapped kids (there was an article on gonintendo). Who does that? After kissing a young girl in 06? Who likes that?

Oh, and you can call me edgy but I don't kiss animals and I don't make cry handicapped kids. Your 3D hereo does. Enjoy your future with your 3D friend.
 
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What’s the deal with Sonic 3 btw? Why can’t they release it again??

edit. Just saw the reply above.
Why can’t they just change the music track? Can’t be that hard...
Imagine watching Star Wars without John Williams.

Removing such an iconic part of Sonic 3 and Knuckles would be a detriment to the experience.
 
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Imagine watching Star Wars without John Williams.

Removing such an iconic part of Sonic 3 and Knuckles would be a detriment to the experience.
Well people above are saying there’s already another version and it’s fine.

not sure your comparison holds up tbh. I can’t even remember the S3 Jackson music. It’s not as iconic as the Star Wars music. For me at least.
 

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Imagine watching Star Wars without John Williams.

Removing such an iconic part of Sonic 3 and Knuckles would be a detriment to the experience.
I'd agree usually but since this is a constant thing that prevents new versions of the game from being released it's getting annoying, especially when there's an alternate for the tracks MJ worked on and even unused stuff:


I mean sure it'd be a downgrade for some zones (R.I.P Launch Base Zone bass line) but if it at least allows the games to be released it's a no brainer.
 

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  • Modern Sonic will be the focus for the franchise going forward in both 2D and 3D games. Mania was apparently a one-off thing (with Classic Sonic being described as "old hat"), and fans of the classic era should look to fangames for further installments, such as Sonic Mania Megamix, Sonic Galactic, Sonic Roboblast 2, Sonic 2 HD, etc.

How is not nuking everything Modern Sonic from orbit, Making Mania games the foundation, learning from the past and moving forward from that point not the move?!?!!?

What the actual fuck if this is even a little bit true they are fucking morons and deserve to fail
 

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Let's see if I get this straight...

They're shoving Sonic Mania, which btw is one of most praised Sonic games in a long time, calling it a "fanmade old hat", even though it is an official game from Sega, hiring Dimps again, which btw wasted decades trying(and failing) to do what Mania just did in its first attempt and still gonna have the courage to release a collection with no Sonic 3?

Why those recent Sonic rumors looks like real bad? If this ends up being true its only shows me they don't give a damn about Sonic at all.



Probably because of Sonic Team. I mean, how dare Taxman and his team did a sucessfull game against a Team of Sonic games veterans?



They can do but they won't because they're lazy and incopetent.

Sonic 3 does not need Michael Jackson music. They have an alternative soundtrack from Sonic 3 prototype, which could be easly swapped and end this licensing stupid problem. They already did that(kinda) with the Mega Collection from PC ages ago.
But Sonic Team hasn't done a 2D Sonic since S3&K. All of the handheld games like Advance were Dimps. So Taxman has nothing to compare it to aside from 25+ years old games.
 

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More fanfic leaks? nice.

Edit: Looking at the credits of every modern 3D sonic, i don't even know what to expect next, the staff it's all around the place.

Unleashed
Director(s) Yoshihisa Hashimoto
Producer(s) Akinori Nishiyama
Designer(s)
Takao Hirabayashi
Masayuki Inoue
Yoshinobu Uba
Hideo Otsuka

Black Night
Director(s) Tetsu Katano
Producer(s) Tetsu Katano
Designer(s) Morio Kishimoto
Artist(s) Yoshitaka Miura
Writer(s) Shiro Maekaw

Colors
Director(s) Morio Kishimoto (Wii)
Takao Hirabayashi (DS)
Producer(s) Takashi Iizuka
Designer(s)
Morio Kishimoto (Wii)
Takayuki Okada (Wii)
Yuka Kobayashi (DS)

Generations
Director(s) Hiroshi Miyamoto
Tetsu Katano (3DS)
Producer(s) Takashi Iizuka
Hiroyuki Kawano (3DS)
Designer(s) Yoshinobu Uba
Daisuke Shimizu
Utako Yoshino
Yuka Kobayashi (3DS)
Kohei Iwamoto (3DS)

Los World
Director(s) Morio Kishimoto (Wii U)[2]
Takao Hirabayashi (3DS)[2]
Producer(s) Takashi Iizuka
Programmer(s) Yoshitaka Kawabata

Forces
Director(s) Morio Kishimoto
Producer(s)
Shun Nakamura
Takashi Iizuka
Designer(s)
Morio Kishimoto
Jyunpei Ootsu
Takayuki Okada
Programmer(s) Hiroki Tokunaga
 
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The future of the franchise, shure! Isn't Sonic already dead since none of the 3D games are great, just 2 or 3 okey?

You can bitch 2D games as you want. It won't change how trash 3D Sonic is. It's more than trash, after 06 they've done Boom... Who does that? Read it again, after 06, they did Boom, fucking Boom that even made cried handicapped kids (there was an article on gonintendo). Who does that? After kissing a young girl in 06? Who likes that?

Oh, and you can call me edgy but I don't kiss animals and I don't make cry handicapped kids. Your 3D hereo does. Enjoy your future with your 3D friend.
Boom wasn't even made by Sonic Team, and it's been 14 years since 06, yet you're still hung up on it.

You clearly don't give a fuck about Sonic. If you want to play your 2D sprite games, go play Freedom Planet.
 

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But Sonic Team hasn't done a 2D Sonic since S3&K. All of the handheld games like Advance were Dimps. So Taxman has nothing to compare it to aside from 25+ years old games.

Lol that doesn't take away his merits and neither makes past failures from Dimps looks good. Frankly, not a even point worth mentioned.
 
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How is not nuking everything Modern Sonic from orbit, Making Mania games the foundation, learning from the past and moving forward from that point not the move?!?!!?

What the actual fuck if this is even a little bit true they are fucking morons and deserve to fail
Lmao classic fans will make my brain necrotic I swear. The last 2D Sonic game developed by Sonic Team was 25 years ago. Most fans of the franchise right now grew up with the 3D era and would rather see that thrive and improve than just hand over the reigns to some fucking fan. Do GAFers actually believe the future of the franchise is 2D? When nearly all of Sonic's contemporaries have successfully made the transition to 3D?
 
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Boom wasn't even made by Sonic Team, and it's been 14 years since 06, yet you're still hung up on it.

You clearly don't give a fuck about Sonic. If you want to play your 2D sprite games, go play Freedom Planet.
Done years ago on WiiU. Still prefer Sonic & Knuckles 3 and CD aka some of the very best games ever made. Can we say that about 3D Sonic?

I can talk about the 2 first Sonic on the Wii too... or how half of Unleashed was trash or how not that great were controls on both the 2D sections of Generation and Colors. I can talk about the Sonic Rivals too, or Sonic the fighter.

you clearly don't give a fuck about Sonic. If you want to play 3D game, play Mario dude. While the 2D games can top the Mario's on NES and SFC, there's nothing like that with the 3D ones. Can you remind me the Sonic game that does as great as Galaxy again?
 
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Most fans of the franchise right now grew up with the 3D era and would rather see that thrive and improve than just hand over the reigns to some fucking fan.
This isn’t true at all. YouTubers don’t speak for the majority of Sonic fans (even though a lot of them think they do). Otherwise, Mania would not have been the success that it was.

I think there’s a place for both overall. If they could deliver a wonderful Modern Sonic game, I would be elated. But it doesn’t have to come at the sacrificing of Classic Sonic. They can exist as separate entities at this point. There’s a reason Sega keeps talking about a new era. Even they knew Forces was garbage.
 

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Done years ago on WiiU. Still prefer Sonic & Knuckles 3 and CD aka some of the very best games ever made. Can we say that about 3D Sonic?

I can talk about the 2 first Sonic on the Wii too... or how half of Unleashed was trash or how not that great were controls on both the 2D sections of Generation and Colors. I can talk about the Sonic Rivals too, or Sonic the fighter.

you clearly don't give a fuck about Sonic. If you want to play 3D game, play Mario dude. While the 2D games can top the Mario's on NES and SFC, there's nothing like that with the 3D ones. Can you remind me the Sonic game that does as great as Galaxy again?
Sonic in 3D has it's moments, if you never liked adventure , no wonder you don't like the new ones since everything it's somehow a variation of sonic's ass while also traying to re invent it every time.
I like Sonic 2d and 3d games, and there are good ones and bad ones on both formats, i wouldn't replace 3d sonic with 3d mario because they are nothing alike, mario at it's best in 3d it's an exploration game while sonic it's a speedrunning game way faster than mario. You can't get what sonic 3d does on almost any other game so it feels very tragic when even Sonic Team has 0 confidence in their direction and end up making all types of sacrifices with every release while trying to pander to different audiences.
 

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Mine plus most of the reviews and metacritic, nothing more like you say.
Stop being so annoyingly childish and grow up.

A lot of people like different entries of 3D Sonic for different reasons, and because your opinion "matches" scores doesnt make you the owner of the absolute truth, not even close.
 
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Done years ago on WiiU. Still prefer Sonic & Knuckles 3 and CD aka some of the very best games ever made. Can we say that about 3D Sonic?

I can talk about the 2 first Sonic on the Wii too... or how half of Unleashed was trash or how not that great were controls on both the 2D sections of Generation and Colors. I can talk about the Sonic Rivals too, or Sonic the fighter.

you clearly don't give a fuck about Sonic. If you want to play 3D game, play Mario dude. While the 2D games can top the Mario's on NES and SFC, there's nothing like that with the 3D ones. Can you remind me the Sonic game that does as great as Galaxy again?
And there it is, folks. Classic fans like you don't care about how Sonic can thrive and prosper, they just want it to stagnate in some tired medium because that's all they give a fuck about. If you want Sonic to once again stand next to his contemporaries like Mario, Crash, Spyro, etc. It WON'T be done in fucking 2D.

And no, why the fuck would I play Mario? I like how you inadvertently assigned Mario as a franchise rooted in 3D even though it too came from simple 2D roots. 3D Sonic games may not be as good as 3D Mario YET, but they could be in the future. And when it achieves that potential, that's when the topic of Sonic can indiscriminately join the dinner table once again. It won't do that in a stagnating medium like 2D.
 

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This isn’t true at all. YouTubers don’t speak for the majority of Sonic fans (even though a lot of them think they do). Otherwise, Mania would not have been the success that it was.

I think there’s a place for both overall. If they could deliver a wonderful Modern Sonic game, I would be elated. But it doesn’t have to come at the sacrificing of Classic Sonic. They can exist as separate entities at this point. There’s a reason Sega keeps talking about a new era. Even they knew Forces was garbage.
Except Sonic tubers actually praised Mania; they just don't want it to be the future of the franchise. And no, Classic can die. That's an era of Sonic long past; if you still want 2D gameplay, it'll be Modern Sonic. There are tons of 2D sonic fangames on the level of the originals, and even 2D sonic ripoffs like Freedom Planet for you to enjoy.
 

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Except Sonic tubers actually praised Mania; they just don't want it to be the future of the franchise. And no, Classic can die. That's an era of Sonic long past; if you still want 2D gameplay, it'll be Modern Sonic. There are tons of 2D sonic fangames on the level of the originals, and even 2D sonic ripoffs like Freedom Planet for you to enjoy.
Ok, but, why not both? SEGA already established that Classic and Modern are separate now, why not use that to their advantage and have a Mania 2 in the works AND a new 3D game? Why go back to DIMPS when their track record has been absolute trash?
 
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Stop being so annoyingly childish and grow up.

A lot of people like different entries of 3D Sonic for different reasons, and because your opinion "matches" scores doesnt make you the owner of the absolute truth, not even close.
It does not make the 3D Sonic any good. There is no 3D Sonic game of the year and on the cover off the non video game newspapers for the games.

Can you stop being condescending, I'm not your young brother. Being condescending makes no argument, it's just being condescending.
 
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Ok, but, why not both? SEGA already established that Classic and Modern are separate now, why not use that to their advantage and have a Mania 2 in the works AND a new 3D game? Why go back to DIMPS when their track record has been absolute trash?
While I don't agree about Dimps being bad (except Sonic 4, fuck that game), I agree that they should move forward having both classic Sonic and modern Sonic. The fanbase is split anyway, so why not using it to your advantage.
 
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And there it is, folks. Classic fans like you don't care about how Sonic can thrive and prosper, they just want it to stagnate in some tired medium because that's all they give a fuck about. If you want Sonic to once again stand next to his contemporaries like Mario, Crash, Spyro, etc. It WON'T be done in fucking 2D.

And no, why the fuck would I play Mario? I like how you inadvertently assigned Mario as a franchise rooted in 3D even though it too came from simple 2D roots. 3D Sonic games may not be as good as 3D Mario YET, but they could be in the future. And when it achieves that potential, that's when the topic of Sonic can indiscriminately join the dinner table once again. It won't do that in a stagnating medium like 2D.
Like Sonic Mania, a 3....eeee no.

The past Sega is dead. How on earth do you think a 3D Sonic made by SEGA could be good? Do you know there are some greats 3D games made by fans?

What is classic fan? Someone who wants Sonic Adventure 3? I Mean, 2 was done years ago. You know we had boots on 2D games? We had 2.5 games on GG and Master System? We had adventures games on Game Gear and NDS, right? Those who loved Sonic Colors DS are classic, because it's done in a classic way... on 2 screens?
 
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