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[Bernd Lauert]

Of course bundles bump sales genius. But acting is the only thing is what you clowns (yeah both of you) trying to run with is bullshit. If people didn't want those games that are bundled you'll see bump In sales from games people actually want.
If you buy ps5 today forced bundled with either gt7 or horizon and you didn't want those games you'll definitely buy a game you want hence bumping the sales for those other games as well. So where are they?

Think through mate think through

Not sure why you're so upset about these bundles. Keep fighting the good fight I guess.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Not sure why you're so upset about these bundles. Keep fighting the good fight I guess.

I agree with you the the games probably would have sold well despite tie bundles. Also you make a very good point on why making bundles with desired games is a good idea.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Why do Yall keep comparing Elden Ring to Horizon Forbidden West?

Used as proxy in the console war.

 

[John Wick]

Why do Yall keep comparing Elden Ring to Horizon Forbidden West?

I know why are people comparing a two platform game to a multiplatform game?

 

[Kokoloko85]

Some of those pack ins are well after launch, and the Mario Kart 8 was a Black Friday special.

Mario Kart 8 was free pack in since I remember. For ages.
My choice was £280 for the Switch. Or £280 the Switch and Mario Kart 8. Same price. I already played it on the Wii U, so it got played like twice

 

[anothertech]

I know why are people comparing a two platform game to a multiplatform game?

Anything to keep that one game down as a failure!!! Cause it makes me feel good about myself!!11!!!

*sadclown

 

[John Wick]

https://www.hotukdeals.com/share-deal/3939633
PS5 without bundle

 

[Klayzer]

I agree with you the the games probably would have sold well despite tie bundles. Also you make a very good point on why making bundles with desired games is a good idea.

Bernd is in every Sony thread with the same shit. He gets a ban, lurkes for a few days, then comes back with the same exact shit. Rinse and repeat.

 

[prinz_valium]

https://www.hotukdeals.com/share-deal/3939633
PS5 without bundle

Link does not work.

 

[jm89]

Used as proxy in the console war.

It's such a weird thing to bring up cause i can play both on my ps5. Don't need to downplay either.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's such a weird thing to bring up cause i can play both on my ps5. Don't need to downplay either.

But on other systems, you can only play one.

 

[Jim Ryan other Clone]

What's wrong with you?
He ask you evidence where the game underperformed and you doing the opposite

That's for him what means underperforming, first place is not good enough.

 

[Yoboman]

I'm just thinking how quickly GoW Ragnarok will fly off the shelves when it's released.

I reckon it will surpass Elden Ring sales despite not being multiplatform, especially now that even more people will have the chance to play the original on PS Extra.

Nah, Elden Ring did once in a generation type numbers

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

The game is quite awesome now that i can devote all my time to it without Elden Ring in the background taking up my time also lol......really loving HFW so far, they really did a great job!

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

Well deserved for an awesome game! Congrats gorilla games!

Its Guerrilla...

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

horizon sold 20 million units during the ps4 generation which saw the console sales top 120 million. that means only 1 in 6 PS4 owners were interested in the franchise. The problem is pretty simple. You are forcing a game and a 50 pound or $60 surcharge to 5 out of the 6 potential buyers. You are taking advantage of the high PS5 demand to make a quick buck. We shit on gamestop for doing this, but when Sony does it, we defend it. Thats worse than what Sony is doing. At least they are making a good business decision, i dont know what you all gain from defending this shady practice.

Tell the same to Nintendo and MS......

 

[SLB1904]

horizon sold 20 million units during the ps4 generation which saw the console sales top 120 million. that means only 1 in 6 PS4 owners were interested in the franchise. The problem is pretty simple. You are forcing a game and a 50 pound or $60 surcharge to 5 out of the 6 potential buyers. You are taking advantage of the high PS5 demand to make a quick buck. We shit on gamestop for doing this, but when Sony does it, we defend it. Thats worse than what Sony is doing. At least they are making a good business decision, i dont know what you all gain from defending this shady practice.

Don't you get tired of talking nonsense. 1 of 6 person bought the game is different than only 1 out of 6 are interested in the game.

Nintendo does the same with their flagship franchise. Why do you think there is a discrepancies between the top Nintendo exclusives with the botton part?

You have deals like this since forever.
When games like astral chain are struggling.

Also you forget the used market
There was a site that used to track the number of players on psn that got shut down it had gow at over 30mil players 2 years ago.

Now we have to justify bundles.
Horizon is a hot new game, people want to play that. If I din't have ps5 I would gladly buy this bundle.
Star wars is also being bundle with ps5 people buy what they want is their money.
You are annoying as hell let me tell you

"Shady practice" the shit you read sometimes

 

[DeepEnigma]

Don't you get tired of talking nonsense. 1 of 6 person bought the game is different than only 1 out of 6 are interested in the game.

Nintendo does the same with their flagship franchise. Why do you think there is a discrepancies between the top Nintendo exclusives with the botton part?

You have deals like this since forever.
When games like astral chain are struggling.

Also you forget the used market
There was a site that used to track the number of players on psn that got shut down it had gow at over 30mil players 2 years ago.

Now we have to justify bundles.
Horizon is a hot new game, people want to play that. If I din't have ps5 I would gladly buy this bundle.
Star wars is also being bundle with ps5 people buy what they.
You are annoying as hell let me tell you

Seriously, the mental gymnastics some go through over this trivial shit.

 

[SLB1904]

Seriously, the mental gymnastics some go through over this trivial shit.

Now bundles are shady practice.
Fucking hell. Everyone does it in every market. In every business known.
But as soon as Sony does, is shady.
Weirdos

 

[SlimySnake]

Don't you get tired of talking nonsense. 1 of 6 person bought the game is different than only 1 out of 6 are interested in the game.

Nintendo does the same with their flagship franchise. Why do you think there is a discrepancies between the top Nintendo exclusives with the botton part?

You have deals like this since forever.
When games like astral chain are struggling.

Also you forget the used market
There was a site that used to track the number of players on psn that got shut down it had gow at over 30mil players 2 years ago.

Now we have to justify bundles.
Horizon is a hot new game, people want to play that. If I din't have ps5 I would gladly buy this bundle.
Star wars is also being bundle with ps5 people buy what they want is their money.
You are annoying as hell let me tell you

"Shady practice" the shit you read sometimes

You wrote a lot but failed to make a point. Next time be more coherent.

 

[Swift_Star]

I never thought people would get angry about bundles they're NOT FORCED to buy.

 

[SLB1904]

Not sure why you're so upset about these bundles. Keep fighting the good fight I guess.

Just type your username and your mate horizon and bundle in the search bar

Let's see how many results come up.

I never thought people would get angry about bundles they're NOT FORCED to buy.

It comes from the people that are always trying to justify exclusive aren't important. You can see pattern here

 

[Swift_Star]

You wrote a lot but failed to make a point. Next time be more coherent.

Nah, they're right. It's more likely a person buy a console that comes with a hot game bundled with it than to buy the console alone. Bundles boost CONSOLE sales. It's not rocket science, since you don't have to take the extra (even if it's easy) step to buy a game after buying the console.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Don't you get tired of talking nonsense. 1 of 6 person bought the game is different than only 1 out of 6 are interested in the game.

Nintendo does the same with their flagship franchise. Why do you think there is a discrepancies between the top Nintendo exclusives with the botton part?

You have deals like this since forever.
When games like astral chain are struggling.

Also you forget the used market
There was a site that used to track the number of players on psn that got shut down it had gow at over 30mil players 2 years ago.

Now we have to justify bundles.
Horizon is a hot new game, people want to play that. If I din't have ps5 I would gladly buy this bundle.
Star wars is also being bundle with ps5 people buy what they want is their money.
You are annoying as hell let me tell you

"Shady practice" the shit you read sometimes

I really don’t like bundles when they are packaged with garbage. But this HFW isn’t that.

I had a chance to pick up a PS5 bundle but didn’t because it came with Destruction All Stars. I would have picked it up if it had HFW though. HFW isn’t a bad game.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Just type your username and your mate horizon and bundle in the search bar

Let's see how many results come up.

Forza Horizon Bundle?

 

[Topher]

Good grief. If someone wants a PS5 but not HFW then buy the bundle and sell the game on ebay. This shit isn't hard.

If you want a legit reason to bitch about Sony then go to the PS+ upgrade thread.

 

[SlimySnake]

Nah, they're right. It's more likely a person buy a console that comes with a hot game bundled with it than to buy the console alone. Bundles boost CONSOLE sales. It's not rocket science, since you don't have to take the extra (even if it's easy) step to buy a game after buying the console.

I dont know how many times I have to say this to you. Bundles that come with FREE games are different than bundles that cost 50 pounds more. It's a very simple easy to digest point. It's not rocket science like you said.

If Sony were being so kind and pro-consumer, they wouldve included this game for free.

 

[SLB1904]

You wrote a lot but failed to make a point. Next time be more coherent.

Yeah run

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

So now these bundles are for flop games instead of games people want? Since when?
I don't remember official PS4 bundles with Gravity Rush (at least in Europe)...or a PS5 bundle with Returnal.

The point of these bundles is exactly to be attractive to buyers...not for publishers to unload their unsold stock / codes to customers, lmao.

The mental gymnastics going on around here i swear...

 

[Swift_Star]

I dont know how many times I have to say this to you. Bundles that come with FREE games are different than bundles that cost 50 pounds more. It's a very simple easy to digest point. It's not rocket science like you said.

If Sony were being so kind and pro-consumer, they wouldve included this game for free.

It's still easier to buy the console with the game, even if it's 50 pounds more expensive. How hard is it for you to understand that? It's not rocket science. People are lazy and will always go the easier route.
Also the pro consumer and anti consumer rethoric is BS. This shit doesn't exist. All companies are anti-consumer and will try their best to get your money.

 

[MasterCornholio]

So now these bundles are for flop games instead of games people want? Since when?
I don't remember official PS4 bundles with Gravity Rush (at least in Europe)...or a PS5 bundle with Returnal.

The point of these bundles is exactly to be attractive to buyers...not for publishers to unload their unsold stock / codes to customers, lmao.

The mental gymnastics going on around here i swear...

I guess I bought a horrible bundle then with one of the worst games ever made.

Edit: Even though I have a PS5 I’m never getting rid of this Pro.

 

[Hezekiah]

Nah, Elden Ring did once in a generation type numbers

Pretty sure you'll see several multiplatform titles outsell it. And it'll likely get nowhere near RDR numbers, never mind GTA numbers.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Nah, Elden Ring did once in a generation type numbers

Elden Ring might not not even surpass plenty of Switch games than are still selling after half a decade, let alone stuff like Call of Duty, RDR2, etc...
The game has sold 13M right? Amazing numbers for sure but hardly "once in a generation type of numbers"

 

[SlimySnake]

I guess I bought a horrible bundle then with one of the worst games ever made.

Edit: Even though I have a PS5 I’m never getting rid of this Pro.

Nah, that was actually a great deal because it was bundled for free.

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You didnt have to pay an extra 50 pounds/dollars for it on top of the console price like people have to with the HFW deal.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/playstation-playstation5-console-horizon-forbidden-west-bundle/6507061.p?acampID=0&cmp=RMX&irclickid=zco1hBTb%3AzsOR1RxLpRWHXZaUkDxhHV1TyD4XE0&irgwc=1&loc=Narrativ&mpid=376373&ref=198&skuId=6507061

 

[MasterCornholio]

Nah, that was actually a great deal because it was bundled for free.



You didnt have to pay an extra 50 pounds/dollars for it on top of the console price like people have to with the HFW deal.

http://[URL][URL]https://www.bestbu...oc=Narrativ&mpid=376373&ref=198&skuId=6507061

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It wasn’t bundled for free for me. It still cost more than a standalone Pro. I know this because I bought it.

Edit: https://blog.playstation.com/2018/03/06/introducing-the-limited-edition-god-of-war-ps4-pro-bundle/

My mistake. The store I bought it from had the regular PS4 Pro at a lower price.

 

[harry mason 1989]

I can't wait to buy starfield Xbox bundle next year

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Nah, that was actually a great deal because it was bundled for free.



You didnt have to pay an extra 50 pounds/dollars for it on top of the console price like people have to with the HFW deal.

http://[URL]https://www.bestbuy.com...oc=Narrativ&mpid=376373&ref=198&skuId=6507061

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Dude there has been bundles that are more expensive than the standalone consoles since ever as well lmao

 

[MasterCornholio]

I can't wait to buy starfield Xbox bundle next year

You’re most likely right that there will be one. And it won’t be because Microsoft is desperate it will be because many want to buy the console with the game.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Elden Ring might not not even surpass plenty of Switch games than are still selling after half a decade, let alone stuff like Call of Duty, RDR2, etc...
The game has sold 13M right? Amazing numbers for sure but hardly "once in a generation type of numbers"

It was heavily front loaded too. Its dropping lower and lower in the charts. I tried to tell people they were overestimating it when they were throwing out numbers like 30 and 40 million. Not even the likes of zelda, mario and spider-man have reached those figures. I knew elden ring wouldn't have the legs to do it.

 

[Swift_Star]

Nah, that was actually a great deal because it was bundled for free.



You didnt have to pay an extra 50 pounds/dollars for it on top of the console price like people have to with the HFW deal.

http://[URL]https://www.bestbuy.com...oc=Narrativ&mpid=376373&ref=198&skuId=6507061

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You’re really going out of your way to ignore why it makes sense, aren’t you?

 

[mckmas8808]

Uh-Oh........you know what this means.....

 

[DeepEnigma]

Uh-Oh........you know what this means.....

 

[prinz_valium]

I can't wait to buy starfield Xbox bundle next year

I guess there will be millions of them

 

[Hobbygaming]

Uh-Oh........you know what this means.....

Horizon Forbidden Legs

 

[RiccochetJ]

I got drawn to be able to buy from Sony today here in the US. I ordered the digital version of the Horizon bundle!

On a side note, I finally got my hands on a PS5!!

 

[DeepEnigma]

I got drawn to be able to buy from Sony today here in the US. I ordered the digital version of the Horizon bundle!

On a side note, I finally got my hands on a PS5!!

Congrats!

 

[Hobbygaming]

I got drawn to be able to buy from Sony today here in the US. I ordered the digital version of the Horizon bundle!

On a side note, I finally got my hands on a PS5!!

 

[Klayzer]

I got drawn to be able to buy from Sony today here in the US. I ordered the digital version of the Horizon bundle!

On a side note, I finally got my hands on a PS5!!

 

[Klayzer]

Alright now