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EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Clinging particularly strongly to unfounded conspiracy theories, making up your own justifications for them, constantly, is indicative of a very serious mental issue that lends itself very strongly to support of ideas such as rejection or diminishing of the holocaust. It of course need not manifest in that way, but when someone spends most of their time with spreading outrageous conspiracy theories that defy all rationality, it is hurtful to discussions, because discussions quickly shift to said worthless conspiracy theories and takes an aggressive turn. Of course it would be preferrable to lead people on a path of critical thinking, but a forum rarely is a good place to achieve that in cases where self-sustaining mythical and counter-factual world views are well-established.

And by the way, I do not insinuate evil motives in Angular Saxophone with his recent denial of (extend of) holocaust and slavery, but evil motives are not always necessary to do harm.

Being credulous or an ideologue is not indicative of severe mental issues. You should probably refrain from commenting on matters you don’t understand.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Being credulous or an ideologue is not indicative of severe mental issues. You should probably refrain from commenting on matters you don’t understand.
Sorry for the imprecision. I was combining two words that have a compound meaning that exceeds what the individual words mean. I was meaning to say issues on an intellectual level, I did not want to insinuate an illness. English is not my native language, so sometimes I may appear careless in my use of established idioms by just not being aware of them (at that moment of time).
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Evening folks, regarding @hargwood - In light of another posters input, we have reviewed the ban down to one week. Talking about the economy of piracy, copyright or game preservation is fine. Going into a thread brazenly announcing you pirate everything is not (and never has been). We think this is a pragmatic compromise. The original ban was meant to lay down the zero tolerance nature of the site policy, but in hindsight it was overly harsh. However, it's important to lay down some sort of marker to prevent the infection of 'warez', 'day0' etc. seeping into general acceptance. We're not naive, but equally we're not advocates.


We acknowledge that the policy is out of date along with the ToS and we need to update them. The ban has been reduced from one month to one week and hopefully @hargwood has a bit more tact and is not so open about dropping anchor in Pirate Bay in the future.


He should not have unleashed his inner Jack Sparrow.

RIP friend


RIP bot

- @Killer751 Jan 31, 2019 Permanent
...and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger, those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Nintendo when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Somebodies having fun!
I am back! But Killer never will.

Which is a blessing, really. Dude thrived on hate.

Oh my, Saxophone is finally gone. Thank you!
Alternate reality Hitler theory finally proved his exodus moment. I am sure his scripture foreshadowed his ban in one way or another.

I’d rather we didn’t celebrate people’s bans.
Except Nobody_Important's. Currently his situation is like Venezuela. You want to acknowledge him, but then there is this other guy with proper points and he is just being the acting president.

Indeed. Every ban is a failure in some ways, that as a community we couldn't find a way to integrate that person, or that we attracted a person too abhorrent. AngularSaxophone was odd, and yeah that post was just not something you can easily ignore, but up til then I hadn't thought him necessarily evil, just odd.
Perhaps we need to establish the GAF Immigration Services. Nobody gets in or out.
 

Papa

Banned
He should not have unleashed his inner Jack Sparrow.


I am back! But Killer never will.

Which is a blessing, really. Dude thrived on hate.


Alternate reality Hitler theory finally proved his exodus moment. I am sure his scripture foreshadowed his ban in one way or another.


Except Nobody_Important's. Currently his situation is like Venezuela. You want to acknowledge him, but then there is this other guy with proper points and he is just being the acting president.


Perhaps we need to establish the GAF Immigration Services. Nobody gets in or out.

Honestly man, if NI was banned, I wouldn’t be celebrating. I’d be more disappointed than anything.
 
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SLoWMoTIoN

Unconfirmed Member
Honestly man, if NI was banned, I wouldn’t be celebrating. I’d be more disappointed than anything.
Same. I'm ok with people not agreeing with each other and as long as they don't tell each other to commit suicide they should be able to agree to disagree.
 

Shaqazooloo

Member
First time I've seen Nobody_Important get banned, kind of deserved with his use of huge bold letters everytime he gets super cereal and the derails.
 

Shaqazooloo

Member
Font formatting is against the rules?
Don't think so, but spamming it should be. That crap is annoying and when he does it multiple times or have lines of it I have to scroll down decent amount to get it out of the way.

Edit: Also i'm using the dark theme so it's especially annoying to me.
 
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Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken
I’m not sure how this thread works or what the decorum is.

Are we allowed to ask why people got banned here?
You might want to ask specifics in the GAF Meta OT and another member might know the answer.

But, if you scroll to the bottom of the page, there is a link to the ban page which isually gives a very good description of why a particular poster got banned.
 

SpartanN92

Banned
You might want to ask specifics in the GAF Meta OT and another member might know the answer.

But, if you scroll to the bottom of the page, there is a link to the ban page which isually gives a very good description of why a particular poster got banned.

I’ve been coming to this site since like 2009 and had an account since 2012 and I never knew that page existed 😂

Thank you
 

Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken
I’ve been coming to this site since like 2009 and had an account since 2012 and I never knew that page existed 😂

Thank you
That’s because it came into existence after the enema. No way OldGAF would’ve been that transparent.

No worries.
 
I like the OG origin of the word ban.

Ban:
-archaic
a curse.
"the land might be smitten by the ban which once fell upon the Canaanites"

I curse YOU, and YOU. Curses all around.
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
First time I've seen Nobody_Important get banned, kind of deserved with his use of huge bold letters everytime he gets super cereal and the derails.
I like how the cited post in the ban page is rather an ironic one where there is a call out that someone else is incapable of admitting when you were wrong when that is the exact thing he was doing in the ERA thread.

Yes, he has the typical cynical "everything sucks" type of attitude that I hate.

You don't have to like everything of course, but all I've ever seen him do is shit on everything, which proves he's just a contrarian.
Thing is he isn't even serious. When you read that he is bitter that Bloodborne, his GOAT, was not on PC then its rather obvious an agenda is at play.

Nobody is this negative about games unless you are only hate-playing them. Or hate-fucking them, really.

I like the OG origin of the word ban.

Ban:
-archaic
a curse.
"the land might be smitten by the ban which once fell upon the Canaanites"

I curse YOU, and YOU. Curses all around.
Wouldn't it be funny if the ban page was called Curse instead and Bans was named Curses?

Permanent self-curse

Curse evading alt-spammer.

Heh.
 

Corrik

Member
Disagree strongly with Nobody_Importants ban for that post. I am not even sure what he did wrong in it.
 
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Disagree strongly with Nobody_Importants ban for that post. I am not even sure what he did wrong in it.

The post was about hating rich people or not, just in general. I clicked on the post he was banned for, and it was about Trump. I thought "well, was he the one in the topic to bring up Trump in the first place?" Then I checked, and yes he was. So my best guess is that perhaps he was asked to stop bringing up Trump in every political thread, and then he did it again. Or perhaps this was his first notice of the situation. I'm really not sure.

He probably could have expressed that less aggressively, but I do think NI had a point that the best argument wasn't made in defense of Trump. I would have said hired does not mean employed. Hired is a decision you make, employed is a decision that could be made by someone else without your knowledge. For example, "My boss hired me, but the CEO employees me."

On another note, I really like how we can respectfully discuss and question bans on this forum.
 

Papa

Banned
The post was about hating rich people or not, just in general. I clicked on the post he was banned for, and it was about Trump. I thought "well, was he the one in the topic to bring up Trump in the first place?" Then I checked, and yes he was. So my best guess is that perhaps he was asked to stop bringing up Trump in every political thread, and then he did it again. Or perhaps this was his first notice of the situation. I'm really not sure.

He probably could have expressed that less aggressively, but I do think NI had a point that the best argument wasn't made in defense of Trump. I would have said hired does not mean employed. Hired is a decision you make, employed is a decision that could be made by someone else without your knowledge. For example, "My boss hired me, but the CEO employees me."

On another note, I really like how we can respectfully discuss and question bans on this forum.

That’s exactly what happened. EL warned him in the Smollett thread to stop derailing and making it about himself. It wasn’t an isolated thing.
 

Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken
Disagree strongly with Nobody_Importants ban for that post. I am not even sure what he did wrong in it.

I’m pretty sure post history would be factored into the equation when a ban is metered out. It’s not arbitrary. OldGAF could be, but not NewGAF.
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Disagree strongly with Nobody_Importants ban for that post. I am not even sure what he did wrong in it.
Staff look at patterns in behavior and if something is repetitive enough they take action.

That, and NI is a tendency to poke people for the wrong reasons and say stuff inbetween the lines to provoke people into a comment. Its quite dishonest imo.
 

Shifty

Gold Member
Font formatting is against the rules?
Naw, it's just really fucking obnoxious unless you're writing an OT :messenger_winking:

I like the OG origin of the word ban.

Ban:
-archaic
a curse.
"the land might be smitten by the ban which once fell upon the Canaanites"

I curse YOU, and YOU. Curses all around.


Wouldn't it be funny if the ban page was called Curse instead and Bans was named Curses?

Permanent self-curse

Curse evading alt-spammer.

Heh.
Yeah but if you pick up a ban then you'll never be able to unequip it without a scroll of Bless or some Holy Water.


Better hope it has good stats, because there isn't a magic shop for miles around.

Yes, he has the typical cynical "everything sucks" type of attitude that I hate.

You don't have to like everything of course, but all I've ever seen him do is shit on everything, which proves he's just a contrarian.
Pretty much this. I consider myself pretty cynical as cynics go, but there are limits.

Not to mention that simple I Hate X is about as interesting of a conversation topic as simple I Love X. That is to say, not at all.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Since it is not a good idea to post about a moderation decision when you are upset about it and because it is not permanent, I will keep it simple: I also do not agree with the ban against Nobody_Important and personally think it is completely unjustified.
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Since it is not a good idea to post about a moderation decision when you are upset about it and because it is not permanent, I will keep it simple: I also do not agree with the ban against Nobody_Important and personally think it is completely unjustified.
What would you do if you could take his place and NI gets unbanned as a result?
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
What would you do if you could take his place and NI gets unbanned as a result?
What kind of moderation practice would that be? Anyway, for a couple of reasons, in this instance, I would probably take the offer.
 

Corrik

Member
Think liberal viewpoints are getting snuffed out to the point of nonexistence. Nobody_Important is a regular user who is blind in his views but does them without hostility or aggression.

I don't care what his viewpoints are if he can express them in a peaceful way.
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
Think liberal viewpoints are getting snuffed out to the point of nonexistence. Nobody_Important is a regular user who is blind in his views but does them without hostility or aggression.

I don't care what his viewpoints are if he can express them in a peaceful way.

Not sure I'd classify Nobody_Important Nobody_Important as liberal - if anything he's pretty authoritarian.
 

Kadayi

Banned
Think liberal viewpoints are getting snuffed out to the point of nonexistence. Nobody_Important is a regular user who is blind in his views but does them without hostility or aggression.

I don't care what his viewpoints are if he can express them in a peaceful way.

That's a sweet narrative you're spinning there, but it's entirely at odds with the reality of the forum make-up. GAF Political Compass. The vast majority of members are Left Leaning Liberals. We just aren't cucked to whatever dog whistle outrage BS the Authoriitarian Left Twitterati have a bee in their bonnet about this week.
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
That's a sweet narrative you're spinning there, but it's entirely at odds with the reality of the forum make-up. GAF Political Compass. The vast majority of members are Left Leaning Liberals. We just aren't cucked to whatever dog whistle outrage BS the Authoriitarian Left Twitterati have a bee in their bonnet about this week.

Yep. I identify as a socialist - I believe in state-funded single-payer healthcare, spending big on education to boost those in poor areas, worker's rights, you know those big old-fashioned left things. I don't however have any intention of allowing the bullshit Twitter lemmings over the cliff. To that group, because I don't agree with them, I am hitler. In any realistic environment I'm on the left. I have probably mellowed and become more pragmatic on that leftness, and grown to understand the limitations and motivational problems of some left policies around feeding a man instead of teaching him how to fish, and thus see the need for refinement, but overall I am a leftie.
 

petran79

Banned
That's a sweet narrative you're spinning there, but it's entirely at odds with the reality of the forum make-up. GAF Political Compass. The vast majority of members are Left Leaning Liberals. We just aren't cucked to whatever dog whistle outrage BS the Authoriitarian Left Twitterati have a bee in their bonnet about this week.

They do not even have a clue how the parliament and the democratic process works.
 

Corrik

Member
That's a sweet narrative you're spinning there, but it's entirely at odds with the reality of the forum make-up. GAF Political Compass. The vast majority of members are Left Leaning Liberals. We just aren't cucked to whatever dog whistle outrage BS the Authoriitarian Left Twitterati have a bee in their bonnet about this week.
I landed dead center on that. However it is super flawed and not representative of the actual ideology here.
 

JORMBO

Darkness no more
Think liberal viewpoints are getting snuffed out to the point of nonexistence. Nobody_Important is a regular user who is blind in his views but does them without hostility or aggression.

I don't care what his viewpoints are if he can express them in a peaceful way.

He’s only banned for 2 weeks. My guess is the post he was banned for isn’t the only one. Are there any other examples of “liberal viewpoints getting snuffed out”? I’ve seen a few people get banned, but usually they are newer accounts that can’t express their viewpoints without being hostile.
 

Kadayi

Banned
I landed dead center on that. However it is super flawed and not representative of the actual ideology here.

So firstly you're politically indifferent, but the test is somehow ''super flawed' despite innumerable people taking it, but regardless it's not representative of how people here actually feel? Are you for real? Or do you honestly think that kind of weak assed handwave is going to carry the day? Sad...

Yep. I identify as a socialist - I believe in state-funded single-payer healthcare, spending big on education to boost those in poor areas, worker's rights, you know those big old-fashioned left things. I don't however have any intention of allowing the bullshit Twitter lemmings over the cliff. To that group, because I don't agree with them, I am hitler. In any realistic environment I'm on the left. I have probably mellowed and become more pragmatic on that leftness, and grown to understand the limitations and motivational problems of some left policies around feeding a man instead of teaching him how to fish, and thus see the need for refinement, but overall I am a leftie.

This in large part is the issue. I feel most of these people have never done an honest days work in their lives and therefore are a little too detached from reality to the extent that they hold to naive idealism to an unhealthy degree over the facts on the ground. It shows in the absolutism they so often preach.
 
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Corrik

Member
What’s my ideology?
You tell me what is your ideology.

I landed dead center, but I am a moderate Republican. I largely vote conservative unless the Democratic candidate is a significantly better candidate.

Being a moderate Republican, I am definitely arguing against a lot of you who are definitely much further right than I am, as well as against the left, pretty regularly. Anyone saying this is a liberal forum and pointing to that compass is frankly as blind as Nobody_Important is. Like, come on now. It takes like 3 minutes in the politics forum to see how heavily to the right the forum sways. Thus, it is disappointing to see a left voice being banned over what seems like frankly a weak moderation. Two weeks? I could see a removal from the thread, maybe. But, going by the post listed. I don't see it!
 

Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken
You tell me what is your ideology.

I landed dead center, but I am a moderate Republican. I largely vote conservative unless the Democratic candidate is a significantly better candidate.

Being a moderate Republican, I am definitely arguing against a lot of you who are definitely much further right than I am, as well as against the left, pretty regularly. Anyone saying this is a liberal forum and pointing to that compass is frankly as blind as Nobody_Important is. Like, come on now. It takes like 3 minutes in the politics forum to see how heavily to the right the forum sways. Thus, it is disappointing to see a left voice being banned over what seems like frankly a weak moderation. Two weeks? I could see a removal from the thread, maybe. But, going by the post listed. I don't see it!
So you don’t know. That’s interesting.
 

Claus Grimhildyr

Vincit qui se vincit
You tell me what is your ideology.

I landed dead center, but I am a moderate Republican. I largely vote conservative unless the Democratic candidate is a significantly better candidate.

Being a moderate Republican, I am definitely arguing against a lot of you who are definitely much further right than I am, as well as against the left, pretty regularly. Anyone saying this is a liberal forum and pointing to that compass is frankly as blind as Nobody_Important is. Like, come on now. It takes like 3 minutes in the politics forum to see how heavily to the right the forum sways. Thus, it is disappointing to see a left voice being banned over what seems like frankly a weak moderation. Two weeks? I could see a removal from the thread, maybe. But, going by the post listed. I don't see it!

A vast number of us don't give two shits about politics and stay out of it. That doesn't indicate that the forum is primarily right-leaning, just that there are more right-leaning folks who care to talk about political matters. The majority of NeoGaf was and continues to be primarily left-leaning.
 

Corrik

Member
A vast number of us don't give two shits about politics and stay out of it. That doesn't indicate that the forum is primarily right-leaning, just that there are more right-leaning folks who care to talk about political matters. The majority of NeoGaf was and continues to be primarily left-leaning.
Frankly, I don't think many people actually care what the ideology is of the people who don't care to talk about political matters, and my posts obviously have nothing to do with reference to non-political discussion. I stated the person being banned for what seems like weak reasons in a political topic when they are one of the few liberal voices in the political forums is a bit off putting.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Like, come on now. It takes like 3 minutes in the politics forum to see how heavily to the right the forum sways. Thus, it is disappointing to see a left voice being banned over what seems like frankly a weak moderation. Two weeks? I could see a removal from the thread, maybe. But, going by the post listed. I don't see it!
Cross reference the people who posted in the compass thread vs the people who post most often in the politics forum, and you might see the explanation to your observation. For what it's worth, I also don't think NI should have been banned. Even if it was necessary in the mod's eyes, 2 weeks is too long.
 

Papa

Banned
Once again, I don't believe that NI was banned for being a liberal. As far as I can tell, he was banned for acting like a petulant child, turning every thread he participates in into an outlet for his own personal issues and using Trump as a lightning rod. Other anti-social behaviours that were likely contributing factors included:

  • Making wide, sweeping generalisations about groups he doesn't like then ducking out of the conversation and claiming to be too busy to respond whenever it deviates from his already established narrative.
  • Frequent use of BOLD ITALICS CAPS to speak down to people when he otherwise can't articulate a valid argument.
  • Utilising blatant lying as a debate tactic (and thinking he's clever enough to get away with it / not respecting the intelligence of others).
  • Never fronting up and constantly playing the victim when confronted on these behaviours.

Furthermore, I would argue that he's most definitely not a liberal -- he's quite clearly an authoritarian given his love of big government and advocacy for concentrating vast political power in the hands of a few social media corporations. Corrik Corrik I don't often see you posting in the politics sub (though when you do, I generally appreciate your views), and given that NI almost never posts outside of it, I must question how familiar you are with his history of behaviour there. Frankly, calling him a representative of the left should be offensive to anyone who sees themself as a rational leftist as he is way down in the ideological left section of the political horseshoe. The first time I noticed something was up with him was when he missed this extremely obvious joke in order to feign outrage on behalf of a group: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/fifa...ing-world-cup-matches.1463698/#post-253335143. It may seem innocuous, but it betrayed his defective thought processes; it showed that his immediate reaction is to take offense, thus blinding him to humour or, more simply, an opinion that differs from his own.

I see NI's banning as an inflection point for GAF because he demonstrates many of the behaviours that turned oldGAF into an authoritarian bubble. Multiply him by a dozen and give him moderator power and you have Resetera. He has been just subtle enough to skirt the rules for the better part of a year but finally overstepped the line and this is our opportunity to say, as a community, "no, these behaviours are unacceptable". I have previously said that I would be more disappointed than celebratory if he got banned, and I am indeed disappointed because he has shown not an ounce of introspection or accountability following his deplorable behaviour in the recent Covington and Smollett threads. He did make a few comments that seemed to show that he was open to feedback and improvement when those narratives rapidly shifted away from his already established ones, though I now see those as insincere "gestures of goodwill", as he likes to call them, because he immediately reverted back to his old ways. In fact, this is another anti-social behaviour that I missed from the list above: his deceptive way of throwing out tokenistic gestures that he doesn't genuinely mean just so that he can point back to them later and handwave away any criticism.

What you guys ( Yoshi Yoshi Corrik Corrik Rentahamster Rentahamster ) are doing here is what we have through our various political discussions over the past ~15 months established to be at the root of many of our current_year social problems: you are using equality of outcome as your barometer for equality. NI being "on the left", as dubious a claim as that is, is not a valid reason to allow him to practice the anti-social behaviours listed above. The same goes for any of the other recently banned "leftists" like luigimario, BraveOne, Gander, Hesemonni, Brizzady, DaForest, Dude Abides, TekNav, EscapeArtist, mustardman, Neon Noire, TayTay, Do Make Say Think, Dragonburn, Cauliflower of Love, Phoenix RISING, and others. These are not leftists; these are overgrown children LARPing as leftists who were banned for their behaviour, and you should be embarrassed if you see them as representative of your own politics. Moderate on behaviour, not spurious claims of political alignment, and let the pieces fall where they may. Surely that must be the key lesson we learned as a community from the events of October 2017?
 

Solomeena

Banned
You tell me what is your ideology.

Anyone saying this is a liberal forum and pointing to that compass is frankly as blind as Nobody_Important is. Like, come on now. It takes like 3 minutes in the politics forum to see how heavily to the right the forum sways. Thus, it is disappointing to see a left voice being banned over what seems like frankly a weak moderation. Two weeks? I could see a removal from the thread, maybe. But, going by the post listed. I don't see it!

Either you are blind as hell or you have some kind of motive here in your hell bent support of Nobody_Important. First off, these forums are not heavily leaning to the right, it is because people can actually now have a conversation on gaf from both the left and the right without getting instantly banned for being on the right and making the forums swing heavily to the left. What you are seeing for the first time in a long time is a GAF that is swinging back to center since the purge. Second, Nobody_Imporant has earned his reputation around here. He is so full of himself and has blinders on his eyes and tree stumps in his ears so no one can actually educate him and make him see that just because someone disagrees with him does not make them Nazi's or ignorant or evil or anything else that he and his buddies insinuate on a daily basis. Not everyone will agree with me but all he did with his buddies here was post the usual shit to push an SJW agenda and then once the truth inevitably comes out about something they would abandon their lies and bullshit and start another fire other more sane members would put out. Just look at the fucking Jussie Smollett thread, proof enough.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
What you guys (@Yoshi @Corrik @Rentahamster) are doing here is what we have through our various political discussions over the past ~15 months established to be at the root of many of our current_year social problems: you are using equality of outcome as your barometer for equality. NI being "on the left", as dubious a claim as that is, is not a valid reason to allow him to practice the anti-social behaviours listed above. The same goes for any of the other recently banned "leftists" like luigimario, BraveOne, Gander, Hesemonni, Brizzady, DaForest, Dude Abides, TekNav, EscapeArtist, mustardman, Neon Noire, TayTay, Do Make Say Think, Dragonburn, Cauliflower of Love, Phoenix RISING, and others. These are not leftists; these are overgrown children LARPing as leftists who were banned for their behaviour, and you should be embarrassed if you see them as representative of your own politics. Moderate on behaviour, not spurious claims of political alignment, and let the pieces fall where they may. Surely that must be the key lesson we learned as a community from the events of October 2017?
I never did say I think NI was banned for being a liberal, vis a vis your equality of outcome argument. I didn't interpret his behavior to be any more worse than other posters, but it's not like I keep a tally of every single thing that people write that annoys me, and then cross reference that with the things that banned users have said, so it could be personal bias talking. In general, I err on the side of letting people talk and am very lenient in what I would consider to be "bannable offenses".

I'm not embarrassed because I don't see that list as representative of my politics. My agreement on certain issues may overlap, but that applies to basically everyone that posts here. If you think that I'm forming my opinion off of a tribal basis, let me assure you that I'm not. If anything, I should be embarrassed at how thinned skin some users can get when getting triggered by the liberals.
 
You tell me what is your ideology.

I landed dead center, but I am a moderate Republican. I largely vote conservative unless the Democratic candidate is a significantly better candidate.

Being a moderate Republican, I am definitely arguing against a lot of you who are definitely much further right than I am, as well as against the left, pretty regularly. Anyone saying this is a liberal forum and pointing to that compass is frankly as blind as Nobody_Important is. Like, come on now. It takes like 3 minutes in the politics forum to see how heavily to the right the forum sways. Thus, it is disappointing to see a left voice being banned over what seems like frankly a weak moderation. Two weeks? I could see a removal from the thread, maybe. But, going by the post listed. I don't see it!

One basic flaw of the test is that just because you support healthcare for all, and gay rights in your country, doesn't mean that you are left to every countries standards. The divide on this forum usually comes from social issues, selective social issues, and being able to see life from someone else's shoes.

NI shouldn't have been banned. His behavior is not worse than a lot of posters here. But he is targeted.
 
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JORMBO

Darkness no more
Once again, I don't believe that NI was banned for being a liberal. As far as I can tell, he was banned for acting like a petulant child, turning every thread he participates in into an outlet for his own personal issues and using Trump as a lightning rod. Other anti-social behaviours that were likely contributing factors included:

  • Making wide, sweeping generalisations about groups he doesn't like then ducking out of the conversation and claiming to be too busy to respond whenever it deviates from his already established narrative.
  • Frequent use of BOLD ITALICS CAPS to speak down to people when he otherwise can't articulate a valid argument.
  • Utilising blatant lying as a debate tactic (and thinking he's clever enough to get away with it / not respecting the intelligence of others).
  • Never fronting up and constantly playing the victim when confronted on these behaviours.

Furthermore, I would argue that he's most definitely not a liberal -- he's quite clearly an authoritarian given his love of big government and advocacy for concentrating vast political power in the hands of a few social media corporations. Corrik Corrik I don't often see you posting in the politics sub (though when you do, I generally appreciate your views), and given that NI almost never posts outside of it, I must question how familiar you are with his history of behaviour there. Frankly, calling him a representative of the left should be offensive to anyone who sees themself as a rational leftist as he is way down in the ideological left section of the political horseshoe. The first time I noticed something was up with him was when he missed this extremely obvious joke in order to feign outrage on behalf of a group: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/fifa...ing-world-cup-matches.1463698/#post-253335143. It may seem innocuous, but it betrayed his defective thought processes; it showed that his immediate reaction is to take offense, thus blinding him to humour or, more simply, an opinion that differs from his own.

I see NI's banning as an inflection point for GAF because he demonstrates many of the behaviours that turned oldGAF into an authoritarian bubble. Multiply him by a dozen and give him moderator power and you have Resetera. He has been just subtle enough to skirt the rules for the better part of a year but finally overstepped the line and this is our opportunity to say, as a community, "no, these behaviours are unacceptable". I have previously said that I would be more disappointed than celebratory if he got banned, and I am indeed disappointed because he has shown not an ounce of introspection or accountability following his deplorable behaviour in the recent Covington and Smollett threads. He did make a few comments that seemed to show that he was open to feedback and improvement when those narratives rapidly shifted away from his already established ones, though I now see those as insincere "gestures of goodwill", as he likes to call them, because he immediately reverted back to his old ways. In fact, this is another anti-social behaviour that I missed from the list above: his deceptive way of throwing out tokenistic gestures that he doesn't genuinely mean just so that he can point back to them later and handwave away any criticism.

What you guys ( Yoshi Yoshi Corrik Corrik Rentahamster Rentahamster ) are doing here is what we have through our various political discussions over the past ~15 months established to be at the root of many of our current_year social problems: you are using equality of outcome as your barometer for equality. NI being "on the left", as dubious a claim as that is, is not a valid reason to allow him to practice the anti-social behaviours listed above. The same goes for any of the other recently banned "leftists" like luigimario, BraveOne, Gander, Hesemonni, Brizzady, DaForest, Dude Abides, TekNav, EscapeArtist, mustardman, Neon Noire, TayTay, Do Make Say Think, Dragonburn, Cauliflower of Love, Phoenix RISING, and others. These are not leftists; these are overgrown children LARPing as leftists who were banned for their behaviour, and you should be embarrassed if you see them as representative of your own politics. Moderate on behaviour, not spurious claims of political alignment, and let the pieces fall where they may. Surely that must be the key lesson we learned as a community from the events of October 2017?

THIS IS A GOOD SUMMARY

(Seriously)

One basic flaw of the test is that just because you support healthcare for all, and gay rights in your country, doesn't mean that you are left to every countries standards. The divide on this forum usually comes from social issues, selective social issues, and being able to see life from someone else's shoes.

NI shouldn't have been banned. His behavior is not worse than a lot of posters here. But he is targeted.

I don’t believe he is targeted. He just posts *a lot* and is someone that is difficult to have a normal conversation with for reasons Papa Papa outlined above.
 
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