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Opinion Game Dev Neil Druckmann: "There are games that are just comfort food. This is not one of those"

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lots of same idiots trying to justify not buying/hating the game because the main character is a lesbian and has a shemale main character.

the one game (off the top of my head) you play as Lesbian And all of a sudden it’s apparently gender politics being rammed down your throat,
oh no the sky is falling, please..

The same shit ‘I’m not a bigot and I don’t mind diversity, but forced diversity no no no and why can’t these lesbians must be themselves without shoving it in your face’.

I still remember when Fear Effect had Lesbian characters and no one gave a shit lol
 

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Never in this interview, I got an impression that Neil wants us to have fun. Its like we made this game , we we we we.

Who cares about you.
 
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But is it "his game" to make? Druckmann can do anything probably but... should he? Imagine if next person got star wars and made it into some completely other thing... oh wait...
That's stupid because one will be successful the other one isn't, esp with preorders already outpacing god of war and spiderman
 

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I mean... if You make a sequel, a product for tens of millions of customers. And You lead team of hundreds, You don't really make "What You want". There is responsibility and presenting the vision of whole team. Only kojima is excluded from that

What makes you think the team isn't on board with Neil's decisions? And even if they were not, why does he have to listen to them? He responsible for the best selling PS game ever. If they don't agree with his leadership, they can work somewhere else. It would not be hard to find a job at any studio with ND on your resume.
 

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Never in this interview, I got an impression that Neil wants us to have fun. Its like we made this game , we we we we.

Who cares about you.
You do know there are different type of "fun" out there.....right? I don't think when you play game like Silent Hill you are going to have same type of fun when playing something like DMC. There are people who don't think games Like Sekiro and Bloodborne are "fun" because they just don't like the difficulty.

Not every game needs to appeal to everybody. I like the fact TLOU is brutal and dark, its same reason I like original Drakengard.
 

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Ya'll fronting on tlou2 because some of you dont want to play as a lesbian, have a gay character, or its against your religion etc yet I bet you all cant with a straight face tell me you never smashed your own meat to lesbian porn

"Oh but that was different"

......uhuhhh....
 

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I mean... if You make a sequel, a product for tens of millions of customers. And You lead team of hundreds, You don't really make "What You want". There is responsibility and presenting the vision of whole team. Only kojima is excluded from that
Fuck this mentality. This is how you end up with a bunch of samey soulless ubisoft crap.
 
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Not really. The relationship of Ellie and the girl was a small part of the game.It was actually a small dlc if i'm not mistaken. The first game was all about Joel and Ellie

And this game is about Ellie. Her relationships. Her struggles. Her story. So many video games explore the relationships of the protagonist: relationships with friends, with lovers and with enemies. Why would this game be any different?

that said, you’re welcome to not play the game but like a previous poster said, you are missing out on so much great content if you stay inside a certain box. Again, you can definitely stay in the box but i invite you to expand your horizons.
 

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True, his bone headed ness will cost them $$$$
More like certain countries disgustingly outdated approach to basic human rights cost them $$$.

Good on Sony/ND for not sacrificing their vision for some slightly bigger profit margins, something Disney doesn't have the balls for.
 
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In the gameplay section they showed recently a convo is overheard by Ellie from a lesbo soldier telling a dude she's happy she's spending a shift with her lesbo friend.

Abby looks transgender bigger than many a male.

Who knows how many more such instances are in the game?

The human race is mostly over in that universe if a lot of people are gay, just saying.

TIL that dude thinks hearing about four gay people in a game that probably has hundreds of NPCs is ... “a lot.”
 
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Sony reading about all these people swearing up and down they’ll “NEVER BUY THIS WOKE CRAP:”


 

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Lesbians are not something new. Nobody hates them. I dont know where is this argument coming from. Bioware has some truly phenomenal characters in thier games. Play them sometime too.
 
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Sony reading about all these people swearing up and down they’ll “NEVER BUY THIS WOKE CRAP:”



100% sure all the haters in here will end up hiding and buying this game day one.
Got no reasons for them to constantly post here if they did not intend to buy the game.
 
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You can't spell Crash Bandicoot or Jak & Daxter with Neil Cuckman. They are the superior Naughty Dog games Pre-Neil after all.
 

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What astonishes me the most is that a lot of the people who are against woke material are in reality as fragile as the SJW they fight.
They can’t cope with the fact not everybody is like them and that this people can make art with a different view of the world.

Who are the snowflakes, I don’t know anymore.

In this century, almost everyone can say what he wants and now we hear people outside of our circle of comfort and it makes the narrow minded ones feel bad.

The world has changed must faster than society itself.

I love this forum because I can see overkill reactions on almost every topic available and there’s less censorship than the « other » forum.

I don’t agree with a lot of posters who are fundamentalists on so many subjects (consoles, games, politics etc..)

GAF is life.

Keep on the good fight!
Love/ Hate you all.
 

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The first game was one of my favorite games of all time. The more and more I hear about TLOU2, the more convinced I am to wait for reviews before buying. Most likely, I will wait for the inevitable PS5 remaster to go on sale if I decide to buy it at all.
 

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100% sure all the haters in here will end up hiding and buying this game day one.
Got no reasons for them to constantly post here if they did not intend to buy the game.
I don't constantly post about this, and I'm not buying it. I didn't really care for the first film all that much, but all of the hilarious memes that were conceived from the leaks made talking about this new movie really entertaining.
 

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Yeah, it totally sucks. And it really annoys me as well because it just felt like there's a toxicity around aspects of the game at the moment, and a minority that won't accept any depiction of diversity at all. I'm curious as to what your thoughts on the reaction to that is because it seems so contradictory to what the game itself is trying to say.

Obvious framing.

Your tactics are shit. Change it up you fucking losers. You’re not smart.
 
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Lesbians are not something new. Nobody hates them. I dont know where is this argument coming from. Bioware has some truly phenomenal characters in thier games. Play them sometime too.

Well, if I acknowledge that then my ”argument” doesn’t work and I have to think of something else. Thinking hurts.
 

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I can't imagine caring this much about what kind of sexual organs people are attracted to. And this goes both ways.

People outraged over the lesbian relationship in this game are just as bad as people outraging at the lack of in most games.

If developers really wanna be brave how about they do a gay male on male relationship in a big game like this? Not socially acceptable enough? Cuz we all know that would be 10x the harder sell. ND loved to go for the low hanging lesbian fruit cuz it's more acceptable to males, plain and simple. So they're not really as brave as they like to lead on. And for the record I find almost any game romance cringey, straight or gay. I don't really care about that. Shoehorned straight relationships in gamed are lame too. I don't care about Isaac Clarke's relationships, though his girlfriend worked to setup the first game.

And I'm bi (attracted to both sexes), so this viewpoint comes not from a place of ignorance or bigotry.

Diversity is okay, but I'm not gonna force anyone to do something they don't wanna do either. I'm not a terrorist, I don't get to make demands, threats, or public pressure for others to appease my sensibilities.

Anything else is entitlement.
 
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Fuck, I wonder if I should cancel my pre-order. This guy does seem like a total SJW twat. I've not watched the trailers at all. I don't mind the lesbian thing if it's subtle but if it's just gonna be hours and hours of woe is me shit I'm out.
 
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I don't care about Isaac Clarke's relationships, though his girlfriend worked to setup the first game.

By the third game I was so sick of his mopey ass.

“Nicole.”

”Ellie.”

I actually ended up liking Carver more.
 
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That's cool he got to make what he wanted. I don't support his agendas. Will buy it used off Amazon or Ebay when it gets cheap for a nice graphical showcase on my eventual PS5.
 
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forced diversity is good

i want the lesbians to break up because one of them found out the other one is cheating on the other with a fungus zombie that always felt misunderstood because the fungus zombie always thought of itself as a chilean bacterial vaginosis, but then they come to an understanding and they all fall in love together in a polygamous relationship and then it's them against the rest of the fungus zombies who disagree with their philosophy
 
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I'm under the impression Straley was responsible for a lot of TLOU 1 so hopefully Cuckmann gets exposed
 

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This guy is the ultimate douche. As are all cult members. His agenda doesn't matter. It could be crossfit, BLM, veganism, radical islam, furry, or anything. Pushing agendas and cults on other people is always a horrible thing to do. I'm glad I never cared about the first game because I would be upset by being a fan of this product which was considered rrally good and now it was hijacked for a cause. And before anyone calls me a bigot I don't give two fucks if Ellie is gay. It's Neil's holier tha thou attitude that is a massive turnoff. I feel sorry for those who are fans of this game. I really like Uncharted but I could never get into TLOU.
 

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This guy is the ultimate douche. As are all cult members. His agenda doesn't matter. It could be crossfit, BLM, veganism, radical islam, furry, or anything. Pushing agendas and cults on other people is always a horrible thing to do. I'm glad I never cared about the first game because I would be upset by being a fan of this product which was considered rrally good and now it was hijacked for a cause. And before anyone calls me a bigot I don't give two fucks if Ellie is gay. It's Neil's holier tha thou attitude that is a massive turnoff. I feel sorry for those who are fans of this game. I really like Uncharted but I could never get into TLOU.

By your own strong opinion you are a bigot!
 
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It's the hate theme that he seems so proud of that makes me want to stay away from this game for the time being, not his """"inclusiveness and diversity."""""

I would take no notice of that. The first game had far more than 'love' as its theme but if he'd have mentioned them prior to the game's release, it would have gone into spoiler territory. Family, grief, love, redemption to name a few. This game will not simply be about 'hate', guaranteed.
 
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For real, what the fuck does “forced diversity” mean in the context of a video game? Like, none of it is real, and it’s all made up. They decide the setting, the characters, the plot, the dialogue... this is just such a stupid pejorative, I can’t take anyone using it seriously.
You have a point but people say forced because it's insincere, it's not from the heart. It's by committee. It's to be hip. If the KKK was all the rage nowadays they would embrace that instead. It's trendy. They give no fucks about gay people. It's the product of Neil's self indulgent egotrip. And it will be dated as fuck in 2 decadea.
 
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For real, what the fuck does “forced diversity” mean in the context of a video game? Like, none of it is real, and it’s all made up. They decide the setting, the characters, the plot, the dialogue... this is just such a stupid pejorative, I can’t take anyone using it seriously.

I’ll give you two clear examples, both by our friend Cuckmann.

-Nadine Ross in Uncharted 4: Nadine, this embodiment of the strong female minority beating without a sweat the equivalent of two Rambos in Nathan and Sam. Does she beating and humilliating the crap of them adds anything to the story? Not at all, it’s just literally feminist fanservice. SJW porn. Forced diversity.

-Nate’s daughter: Nate was intented to have a son, but Neil Cuckmann, influenced by the intellectual body work of Anita Sarkeesian, decided to change it and make it a daughter. He literally tells you he changed the gender for political reasons, that’s forced diversity.

So yeah, there is such a thing as forced diversity as opposed to having diversity because it makes sense and that doesn’t serve a political propaganda, like for example having a roster of different people of the world in Street Fighter 2.
 

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I wish he would stop talking for a while.

You've sold me on the game with the last State of Play, Druckmann, now let the game launch and do the rest of the talking.

And I watched, and indulged, every bit of spoiler the leak had and despite how against I was with certain elements -i'm buying it purely for the gameplay and the evolution of its mechanics from the first game.

But for the story, i'll keep my expectations in check until I play through it myself.
 

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For real, what the fuck does “forced diversity” mean in the context of a video game? Like, none of it is real, and it’s all made up. They decide the setting, the characters, the plot, the dialogue... this is just such a stupid pejorative, I can’t take anyone using it seriously.

That mighty kiss scene pre- e3 show?

If that didnt tell you is for ed idk what will bro- im not against all equal shit, im against political ideas that barely matters-
 

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That mighty kiss scene pre- e3 show?
Thats there because he want that for his game same reason Yoko Taro wanted sexy design in Automata, same reason Kojima wanted celebrities on Death Stranding and same reason Miyazaki didn't want difficulty option in Sekiro. people can call it "forced" all they want but at end of the day its his game and he can put what ever he wants in his fucking game.
 

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Thats there because he want that for his game same reason Yoko Taro wanted sexy design in Automata, same reason Kojima wanted celebrities on Death Stranding and same reason Miyazaki didn't want difficulty option in Sekiro. people can call it "forced" all they want but at end of the day its his game and he can put what ever he wants in his fucking game.

These goons really don't seem to comprehend that this is his game, his story. He can tell it however the fuck he wants and with whatever messages or themes he wants. If you want video games to achieve the same prestige as other artistic mediums then you have to accept that the artists get to decide what to create. Your power is to decide whether to pay them for it.
 
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It is not really about diversity. Humans have a great instinct to detect phoniness, hence the term "keep it real".
It is not just for diversity, but it can be for anything as a substitute for true character and integrity.

EDIT: But in the case of The Last of Us 2, I feel people are overreacting a bit due to the politicization of culture at the moment.
Game should be great and I am not even a lesbian.

looking at all the lazy caricatures of druckmann in the thread maybe our ability to detect “phoniness” is proportional to the good faith effort put into getting to the bottom of what other people think not just slotting them into a predetermined narrative
 

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These goons really don't seem to comprehend that this is his game, his story. He can tell it however the fuck he wants and with whatever messages or themes he wants. If you want video games to achieve the same prestige as other artistic mediums then you have to accept that the artists get to decide what to create. Your power is to decide whether to pay them for it.
It feels like I'm having exact same god damn argument against people who call sexy designs as "problematic"......FUCK! I thought people got passed this stupid mind set and just let developers make what they want to make......I guess not.
 
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I’ll give you two clear examples, both by our friend Cuckmann.

-Nadine Ross in Uncharted 4: Nadine, this embodiment of the strong female minority beating without a sweat the equivalent of two Rambos in Nathan and Sam. Does she beating and humilliating the crap of them adds anything to the story? Not at all, it’s just literally feminist fanservice. SJW porn. Forced diversity.

-Nate’s daughter: Nate was intented to have a son, but Neil Cuckmann, influenced by the intellectual body work of Anita Sarkeesian, decided to change it and make it a daughter. He literally tells you he changed the gender for political reasons, that’s forced diversity.

So yeah, there is such a thing as forced diversity as opposed to having diversity because it makes sense and that doesn’t serve a political propaganda, like for example having a roster of different people of the world in Street Fighter 2.

It's kind of amazing that people can't come to this very real and obvious solution all on their own.

I'm not even against diversity in games. But I am against forced diversity. There's a difference. Don't blame me if you can't see it.

Pandering exists and nobody should want that. It's condescending.
 
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You have a point but people say forced because it's insincere, it's not from the heart. It's by committee. It's to be hip. If the KKK was all the rage nowadays they would embrace that instead. It's trendy. They give no fucks about gay people. It's the product of Neil's self indulgent egotrip. And it will be dated as fuck in 2 decadea.
This is the dumbest post yet ive seen on this site
 
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I’ll give you two clear examples, both by our friend Cuckmann.

-Nadine Ross in Uncharted 4: Nadine, this embodiment of the strong female minority beating without a sweat the equivalent of two Rambos in Nathan and Sam. Does she beating and humilliating the crap of them adds anything to the story? Not at all, it’s just literally feminist fanservice. SJW porn. Forced diversity.

-Nate’s daughter: Nate was intented to have a son, but Neil Cuckmann, influenced by the intellectual body work of Anita Sarkeesian, decided to change it and make it a daughter. He literally tells you he changed the gender for political reasons, that’s forced diversity.

So yeah, there is such a thing as forced diversity as opposed to having diversity because it makes sense and that doesn’t serve a political propaganda, like for example having a roster of different people of the world in Street Fighter 2.
Actually it was one of his concept artiists that pitched the daughter thing, stop spreading lies
 
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