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Microsoft's DirectML is the next-generation game-changer that nobody's talking about

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And who can forget the PS4 Pro reveal.


Did you understand the context? something like "Sony wants 1080p 60fps IN MY GAME"

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"If your game is going to push the heck out of the PS4, you might have to do some little tweaks [for the Xbox One version]. But if you design your game to work on Xbox One at 60fps, it's going to work on PS4 at 60."
Just Add Water boss Stewart Gilray

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They needed to take 20 printscreen to realize that it was not native 4K. Sony has already delivered while MS does API marketing.
Forza Horizon 4 and Gears 5 already does native 4K without checker boarding.
Also, API marketng ? Microsoft only did that GDC panel on DirectML. Machine Learning is not a buzzword, NVIDIA already does that. But I guess you only listen to Cernny's sermons.
 

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Did you understand the context? something like "Sony wants 1080p 60fps IN MY GAME"

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They literally released the Uncharted 4 reveal trailer at 60 fps. Lets not forget this

 

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Forza Horizon 4 and Gears 5 already does native 4K without checker boarding.
Also, API marketng ? Microsoft only did that GDC panel on DirectML. Machine Learning is not a buzzword, NVIDIA already does that. But I guess you only listen to Cernny's sermons.

LOL Gears5?

Gears 5 is not 4k, it has dynamic resolution with drops to 1080p

God of war using checkboarding is indistinguishable from 4k.

It is stupid not to use checkboarding on xoneX, unless you care more about repeating "true 4k" than actually delivering the best possible graphic.


That's the difference, while Sony is concerned with improving GAMES graphics, MS is concerned with using marketing for idiots.

And this is reflected now with Sony focusing on SSD and delivering 2x more, while MS focuses on "TF" and delivers 18% more.





They literally released the Uncharted 4 reveal trailer at 60 fps. Lets not forget this



Wow, did a guy on twitter say that?

damn sony liar.

Fake news? no problem, change the subject to a guy on twitter.
 
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LOL Gears5?

Gears 5 is not 4k, it has dynamic resolution with drops to 1080p
LOL it does not drop to 1080p. You also forgot that it runs at 60 fps. Most of the time it is still native 4K.
As expected, X targets a native 4K at the upper bounds, while the base unit tops out at 1080p. That said, actual native rendering resolution is adjusting regularly during gameplay, producing results on X such as 1584p, 1728p, 2160p and the like. Xbox One S renders at quarter resolution by comparison - including values such as 792p and 864p up to full 1080p. The gap between S and X seems par for the course then, until you realise that the enhanced machine is essentially delivering twice the frame-rate.
 

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and did MS say that?

Because you know how it is, if she didn’t say it’s exclusive, it’s because it’s not.
"We knew that many inference algorithms need only 8-bit and 4-bit integer positions for weights and the math operations involving those weights comprise the bulk of the performance overhead for those algorithms," says Andrew Goossen. "So we added special hardware support for this specific scenario. The result is that Series X offers 49 TOPS for 8-bit integer operations and 97 TOPS for 4-bit integer operations. Note that the weights are integers, so those are TOPS and not TFLOPs. The net result is that Series X offers unparalleled intelligence for machine learning."
 
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Forza Horizon 4 and Gears 5 already does native 4K without checker boarding.
Also, API marketng ? Microsoft only did that GDC panel on DirectML. Machine Learning is not a buzzword, NVIDIA already does that. But I guess you only listen to Cernny's sermons.

Xbox One X uses a dynamic resolution with the lowest native resolution found being 1920x1080 and the highest native resolution found being approximately 3200x1800. A form of temporal reconstruction is used that can increase the pixel count to 3840x2160 and pixel counts at 3840x2160 are common due to this temporal reconstruction. The native resolution is higher for the 30fps real time cutscenes on Xbox One X with the lowest and highest native resolutions found during them being approximately 2773x1560 and 3840x2160 respectively.





Xbox One X in the Versus mode uses a dynamic resolution with the lowest native resolution found being approximately 2560x1440 and the highest native resolution found being 3840x2160. A form of temporal reconstruction is used that can increase the pixel count to 3840x2160 when the native resolution is below this figure. A native resolution of 3840x2160 seems to be rare here but pixel counts at 3840x2160 are common due to the temporal reconstruction.


Xbox One X in the Boot Camp mode uses a dynamic resolution with the lowest native resolution found being 1920x1080 and the highest native resolution found being approximately 3200x1800. A form of temporal reconstruction is used that can increase the pixel count to 3840x2160. A native resolution of 1920x1080 seems to be rare in this mode and pixel counts at 3840x2160 are common due to the temporal reconstruction.
 
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"We knew that many inference algorithms need only 8-bit and 4-bit integer positions for weights and the math operations involving those weights comprise the bulk of the performance overhead for those algorithms," says Andrew Goossen. "So we added special hardware support for this specific scenario. The result is that Series X offers 49 TOPS for 8-bit integer operations and 97 TOPS for 4-bit integer operations. Note that the weights are integers, so those are TOPS and not TFLOPs. The net result is that Series X offers unparalleled intelligence for machine learning."



Yes in RTX it does.

Xbox One X in the Versus mode uses a dynamic resolution with the lowest native resolution found being approximately 2560x1440 and the highest native resolution found being 3840x2160. A form of temporal reconstruction is used that can increase the pixel count to 3840x2160 when the native resolution is below this figure.

A native resolution of 3840x2160 seems to be rare here but pixel counts at 3840x2160 are common due to the temporal reconstruction.

Xbox One X in the Boot Camp mode uses a dynamic resolution with the lowest native resolution found being 1920x1080 and the highest native resolution found being approximately 3200x1800.

A form of temporal reconstruction is used that can increase the pixel count to 3840x2160. A native resolution of 1920x1080 seems to be rare in this mode and pixel counts at 3840x2160 are common due to the temporal reconstruction.

 

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Xbox One X in the Versus mode uses a dynamic resolution with the lowest native resolution found being approximately 2560x1440 and the highest native resolution found being 3840x2160. A form of temporal reconstruction is used that can increase the pixel count to 3840x2160 when the native resolution is below this figure.

A native resolution of 3840x2160 seems to be rare here but pixel counts at 3840x2160 are common due to the temporal reconstruction.

Xbox One X in the Boot Camp mode uses a dynamic resolution with the lowest native resolution found being 1920x1080 and the highest native resolution found being approximately 3200x1800.

A form of temporal reconstruction is used that can increase the pixel count to 3840x2160. A native resolution of 1920x1080 seems to be rare in this mode and pixel counts at 3840x2160 are common due to the temporal reconstruction.

How the fuck is that a reply to my post about RTX ?
 

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"We knew that many inference algorithms need only 8-bit and 4-bit integer positions for weights and the math operations involving those weights comprise the bulk of the performance overhead for those algorithms," says Andrew Goossen. "So we added special hardware support for this specific scenario. The result is that Series X offers 49 TOPS for 8-bit integer operations and 97 TOPS for 4-bit integer operations. Note that the weights are integers, so those are TOPS and not TFLOPs. The net result is that Series X offers unparalleled intelligence for machine learning."

And did they add in RDNA 2 architecture or just in xbox?

Why isn't it clear, add where? only on xbox or the whole RDNA2?
 
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And did they add in RDNA 2 architecture or just in xbox?

Why isn't it clear, add where? only on xbox or the whole RDNA2?
Where ever they added it, it needed to be added. In other words, it isn't an RDNA2 feature, otherwise they wouldn't have needed to add it anywhere.
 
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Wtf Cyberpanda is perma-banned?

Apparently he sent porn to somebody via a PM.

He did it once before which is how he got the Sexual Perversion tag then he changed his name to Curry Panda I believe. Which is why that tag disappeared.


 
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Unrelated? Lol.
Well, only if you read them and do not throw context out of the window to make the two sentences fit better for the lulz ;).

He says the pro can double performance to 8.4 tf and has said 8 tf is all that's needed for 4k. Go back to google or follow someone else around.

He said, in one instance, that the “Rapid Packed Math feature can run FP16 code at 2x the rate“ which would mean 8.4 TFLOPS if you were running a shader with only FP16 operations. What is wrong with this sentence?

In another sentence, he said that he thought that you would need at least 8 TFLOPS (of full floats FP32 / GCN performance) to allow all current PS4 games to be easily rendered at 4K without compromises. What is wrong with this sentence?

You just take both and smash them together disregarding any context for the lulz as it almost seems to support your console warring narrative.
 
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You mean the "Power of SSD"

Whenever you start your n-th PlayStation console warrior hit job attempt to trash their 25+ years history, can you avoid to start with XSX’s “VELOCITY ARCHITECTURE” common marketing point - the SSD?
Nice to hear that every time you are peddling MS marketing material you are the one thinking it is all BS 😲 ... you seem to try to imply your are astroturfing in more than one post as of late.

One one side “one trailer and the intention to try and target 60 FPS + measurable and easy to understand impact of SSD with efficient API’s and HW support” and on the other side “thanks to the infinite power of the cloud we can render complex physics and visuals beyond our competition’s dreams”... yeah, I can see how in your mind they are equivalent :rolleyes:.

Beautiful how to diss on PS as a brand you had to reach to PS3’s pre-reveal showing of KZ2 infamous trailer (ironic how the final title ended up being one of the most technically impressive FPS of the whole generation across all consoles :LOL:).
 
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As great as this sounds, PS5 sounds really great, even with the game changers Microsoft has, I loved PS5 from the start, they want to be their own console, right from the start SONY made it clear that it's going to keep delivering AAA games.
Lol..this dude went out to get a poster 🤭

Holly shit the amounts of

In that reply is adorable

Grab your

and chill in the garden, suns out!
 

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Why though ?

Both XSX and Ps5 will comfortably do 4k60,

Nvidia had extra FP8 / 4 whatever to do their ML upscaling, nice if your struggling with resolution.

Ps4 had extra Fp16 but was not used much or was not talked about much for sure, XSX has extra Fp4/8 or whatever for server use - Does Lockart have it ? Who is going to use it for upscaling ?

Sounds like nice PR and powa cloud type stuff, I notice no games or applications mentioned, doubt any will except Nvidia which have dedicated cores.

Final thought, if you are rendering at say 1600p, would it not be cheaper to use temportable or CB upscaling than ML ?
 
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Well, only if you read them and do not throw context out of the window to make the two sentences fit better for the lulz ;).



He said, in one instance, that the “Rapid Packed Math feature can run FP16 code at 2x the rate“ which would mean 8.4 TFLOPS if you were running a shader with only FP16 operations. What is wrong with this sentence?

In another sentence, he said that he thought that you would need at least 8 TFLOPS (of full floats FP32 / GCN performance) to allow all current PS4 games to be easily rendered at 4K without compromises. What is wrong with this sentence?

You just take both and smash them together disregarding any context for the lulz as it almost seems to support your console warring narrative.


Long night on google lol. Only warriors console warring are you guys. Calling a spade a spade, not my fault you're emotionally invested in a plastic box.

I get a kick out of watching you guys spin and twist things around to fit your narrative. 😭
 
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Long night on google lol. Only warriors console warring are you guys. Calling a spade a spade, not my fault you're emotionally invested in a plastic box.

Google? No, this kind of BS argument is thrown around frequently enough that I can remember the Gamasutra and other interviews about the Pro off of memory now :LOL:.

So, you threw that at the wall, it did not stick, then tried to dodge replies asking you to actually reason about what you said (as if...), you dodged some more, doubled down, things were reasoned and pointed out in more detail to you again, you tripled down, and now are going for the “calling a spade a spade, I am the rational non fanboy in a clown world” card. I do not think I am missing much of the routine.

I get a kick out of ...

Still, this is possibly the driver... not caring about being right or wrong, just doing it as “it pisses off the likes of you”, to try to piss people off...
You throw a console warrish statement out, hopefully watch some mess unfold while you laugh it off, come back, ignore the answers you get, and stir the nest some more with a “just banter yeah, just banter mate... why so upset” escape card ready.
 
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Google? No, this kind of BS argument is thrown around frequently enough that I can remember the Gamasutra and other interviews about the Pro off of memory now :LOL:.

So, you threw that at the wall, it did not stick, then tried to dodge replies asking you to actually reason about what you said (as if...), you dodged some more, doubled down, things were reasoned and pointed out in more detail to you again, you tripled down, and now are going for the “calling a spade a spade, I am the rational non fanboy in a clown world” card. I do not think I am missing much of the routine.



Still, this is possibly the driver... not caring about being right or wrong, just doing it as “it pisses off the likes of you”, to try to piss people off...
You throw a console warrish statement out, hopefully watch some mess unfold while you laugh it off, come back, ignore the answers you get, and stir the nest some more with a “just banter yeah, just banter mate... why so upset” escape card ready.


You reach so hard yet have nothing lol. Console warrish statement? Naw its a fact, Cerny said all that. I replied to a fellow Sony warrior of yours shitposting but nice try.

Don't jump into conversations that don't concern you. Much less when you're so clueless about it you have to spend hours on google for every reply 😉. This exchange has done nothing but waste time. Run along now.
 

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You reach so hard yet have nothing lol. Console warrish statement? Naw its a fact, Cerny said all that.
Look, you just admitted it “You have a console warrish statement, it is a fact”. This blatant “cheap taking words out of their context and putting them together to fit a predetermined narrative” I have done here is not dissimilar to what you did with Cerny‘s statements. All those words were used by you, it is a fact, what causes the problem here? Missing context..

What Cerny said in those two instances had a logical context around each and I do not see a logical link between the two beyond wanting to see one made out of thin air to mock it all as a fanboy PR exercise. Now you are asserting it, but you are not backing it up not challenging the explanations given to you.
Then again you gave the reason away before: you just want to piss people off and get Sony fans riled up no matter what. This is console war baiting. You keep saying people are wrong, but not why. Not even attempt to do so logically which would be fine then again, discussing these statements was never the intention, was it?

I replied to a fellow Sony warrior of yours shitposting but nice try.

Don't jump into conversations that don't concern you. Much less when you're so clueless about it you have to spend hours on google for every reply 😉. This exchange has done nothing but waste time. Run along now.

😂 are you projecting? It is called having a life and not doing it as a job. Sorry, I would not meet an astroturfing quota, do not get angry others surely are.

Since you have expertise on the subjects others do lack, care to actually argue your points instead of just stating them?
 
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