pawel86ck
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Man, you are too invested into theories. Multiplatform comparisons will show what's the real difference between both consoles.
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Microsoft Xbox Series X's AMD Architecture Deep Dive at Hot Chips 2020
geordiemp
Member
Yes who cares, exactly....
Both consoles will handle AVX 256 bombardment differently, and explains Cernys comments on teh subject.
This will not affect ps5 running at 3.5 Ghz or XSX running at 3.6 Ghz. At all.
The same logic applies to teh 2 Ghz, 2 2.3 Ghz - the GPU will not be running Furmark or equivalent in a loop.
The only reason the sustained stuff comes up is people trying to FUD Ps5 clocks and performance.
CrysisFreak
Banned
Huh? We're 3 months away from release we haven't seen any Series X gameplay yet. Or am I mistaken? I don't follow it 100% so maybe I missed something, anything, but I don't recall.
Sorry to disappoint you, but time travel hasn't been invented yet.
Oh my god how could I forget? The game changing current-gen games on Series X. Wow truly magnificent. X gon give it 2 ya!
pawel86ck
Banned
Only Gears 5 and minecraft gameplay was running on XSX.
pawel86ck
Banned
Man, you must be trolling if you think halo infinite looks bad because of XSX hardware. Even Gears 5 tech demo running on XSX looks better.Its not theories, thats how CPU and GPU work lol.
We dont need to wait for digital foundry, we have already seen Halo and it was not even native 4K. Is there a bottleneck somewhere ?
Its not theories, thats how CPU and GPU work lol.
We dont need to wait for digital foundry, we have already seen Halo and it was not even native 4K. Is there a bottleneck somewhere ?
I know, MS made it a showcase, but well.. I think we all know, that Halo infinite has other problems, that are not hardware related.
Halo was never a real technical up to date looker. It had always it's own flaws and there were many games in the same generation that looked far superior. But that also depends on the personal taste.
I didn't think that Halo infinite looked really bad. It just didn't look like a technical showcase, something you would expect after such an announcement.
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geordiemp
Member
Show us games running on XSX then. Show us the hardwrae clearly designed as a split board for a blade server runs games well. I am waiting.
CrysisFreak
Banned
That's true, but Halo is open-world and still work-in-progress so I do hope that in the very end Halo ends up looking more impressive.
ZywyPL
Banned
TBiddy
Member
I love how you don't even try to hide your trolling anymore.
CrysisFreak
Banned
You lost me at connect.
What? I'm not trolling. We need to see true next-gen gameplay running on Series X. Not current-gen games what's so weird about it come on.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
What in the actual fuck does the split board design have to do with literally anything?
Anything at all?
Raekwon26
Member
But he's right.............
ZywyPL
Banned
You said you're waiting for DF comparisons for a year knowing well the consoles and games won't arrive until next couple of months, are you purposely trolling or just dumb?
pawel86ck
Banned
Man, you have a stake in XSX / PS5 battle, so you dont even want to consider every possible scenario, but reasonable people will wait for real comparisons before making definitive conclusions. I cant imagine what you will do when more games will show differences like Orphan (120fps on XSX and 60fps on PS5), or even like 4K on XSX and 1800p on PS5.
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geordiemp
Member
I have said I think XSX will edge it by say 2-5 %, but it will vary between games and no it wont be 20 % is my take.
I am happy to back that up in theory, less abstract api and hypervisor, faster pixel fill rate and caches, faster throughput within shader due to compression patent.....How it adds up I dont know, lets see.
You believe what you want.
TBiddy
Member
No he is not. He barged into the thread, demanding to see gameplay on the XSX. I politely (I think) wrote, that we've seen fast resume demoed on an XSX? His response? Full on aggression, acting like a 13-year old keyboard warrior on Twitter.
"Oh my god how could I forget? The game changing current-gen games on Series X. Wow truly magnificent. X gon give it 2 ya! "
pawel86ck
Banned
Yes, I remember your theories especially about SSD speed on XSX (500MB/s
) based on BC games alone. No offence, but I have no reason to trust your theories and I will rather wait for real comparisons before making any definitive conclusions. If you were correct I will applaud you, but if you were wrong... ☠
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Raekwon26
Member
But fast resume is not what this thread is about.
If the XSX is as unbelieveably powerful as you guys make it seem, we should have some examples of games proving that and showing everything you guys are touting.
Fast resume on Gears 5 and Minecraft doesn't prove that.
geordiemp
Member
Yes, I remember your theories especially about SSD speed on XSX (500MB/s
I am not wrong yet, we have not seen fast loading on XSX, we have seen 12 seconds state decay 2, 5 seconds fast resume on Cave (a 1 GB game) and texture pop in on Halo.
My belief is MS are hard at work tuning Velocity architecture, and all the dual hypervisor abstract stuff for running 4 instances on a serverblade and backwards compatability for allot of hardware variations and compat with PC means they are full to the brim.....
If MS had something to show they would of shown it.
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Journey
Banned
Haha was thinking the same thing, did he time travel and read DF analyses of Assassin’s Creed Valhalla, Cyberpunk 2077, Control AWE and other next gen multiplatform comparisons?
“While in fear of losing the war, they have lost their minds”
TBiddy
Member
No, this thread is not about gameplay and the PS5, even though some people try to steer the thread in that direction.
I corrected his mistake and to absolutely noones surprise, he lashed out. He's a simple troll.
CrysisFreak
Banned
What is up with people?
I didn't say I'm waiting for DF comparisons. I said I'm waiting for first party (or even 3rd party idc) gameplay on an actual Series X.
Not Xbone games and no in-engine trailers.
Real-time, next-gen games, on Series X.
You cannot be serious about current-gen stuff on Series X right?
Who the fuck cares about current-gen. I have that ALREADY.
I didn't say I'm waiting for DF comparisons. I said I'm waiting for first party (or even 3rd party idc) gameplay on an actual Series X.
Not Xbone games and no in-engine trailers.
Real-time, next-gen games, on Series X.
You cannot be serious about current-gen stuff on Series X right?
Who the fuck cares about current-gen. I have that ALREADY.
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martino
Member
Yes, I remember your theories especially about SSD speed on XSX (500MB/s
the surprise could be elsewhere
Imo ramdom / mix performance will be a lot less than sequential marketing like you can already see it is with most ssd.
even intel optane who is made with ramdom reads in mind is far from sequential specs in benchmark .
sequential : https://www.anandtech.com/show/11953/the-intel-optane-ssd-900p-review/8
random: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11953/the-intel-optane-ssd-900p-review/7
mix : https://www.anandtech.com/show/11953/the-intel-optane-ssd-900p-review/9
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Raekwon26
Member
Uh........
Yeah.............. I think you misspoke.
The thread is about the power inside the XSX. If people are being told over and over again about it, is it wrong for people wanting to see it?
TBiddy
Member
I didn't misspeak. I absolutely meant what I wrote. And no, nothing wrong with that. This is not the thread to whine about it though.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
So if somebody mentions the PS5 in a thread do you guys have a beacon that flashes in the air, like Batman, to let you known you know you need to come to it's defense or is it more like spidey-sense?
martino
Member
Raekwon26
Member
Well, this is what he wrote......
Seems pretty clear to me what he's saying.......
So, yeah.... you misspoke.
Seems pretty clear to me what he's saying.......
So, yeah.... you misspoke.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
TBiddy
Member
Are you confusing me with someone else?
Raekwon26
Member
Nope.
- He said we haven't seen Series X games to show off the supposed power.
- You guys mentioned fast resume on current gen games.
- He said CLEARLY that is not the next gen tech that we are being told Xbox has.
- You guys accuse him of trolling.
What am I missing here?
TBiddy
Member
That he conveniently moved the goalposts from "haven't seen any series x gameplay yet" (which is wrong, obviously) to "I MEANT ONLY TRUE NEXT GEN GUISE".
Raekwon26
Member
You consider Minecraft, Gears 5 and State of Decay 2 Series X gameplay? Really?
ZywyPL
Banned
No, they obviously showed CGI on Nintendo Switch... /facepalm
pasterpl
Member
so I can, theoretically, say that PS5 cannot run bc games, and there is no argument outside “Show us BC games running on PS5 then.”? Do you agree? I know it slight off topic but you logic is quite flawed. You are admitting that xbsex will have some advantage (I have noticed that you are making these % smaller and smaller) but then show halo infinite screenshots, so if xbsex have an advantage and halo infinite shows its “limits”, weaker system, ps5, would struggle even more with halo infinite and that game would looks even worse on ps5 (let’s ignore dev skills for the sake of this argument).
carloseduardocd
Member
But in todays world it is easy to take the word of any random user in forums as gospel.
For PS5 Pro?
carloseduardocd
Member
yep, you re right, different pratical situations, but both more complex than simply do what Xbox One X or PS4 done about memory.
Well, you seem to be back peddling a little compared to this...
Getting a little nervous?
carloseduardocd
Member
John Linneman at DF found some 1080p screenshots in XSX Gears 5, probably to mantain 60fps.
We didn't saw any next-gen game running in this console. Halo Infinite was running on PC, State of Decay 3 for example become a kind of joke in DF reaction video (who makes the CGI? Some 3d studio?).
Maybe Microsoft is more envolved to gain 2 billion users in Xcloud/Gamepass in Samsung Smartphones and TVs.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Says arguing random user... Lol. There are some people in the forum like Thicc and Gieordemp (even though I think he trolls xbox threads way too much) who spend an exceptional amount of time not only discussing, but researching what they are talking about. I would never take the time to look up patents, mostly because I have more important things to do, but these guys do in an effort to be educated about what they are talking about. I can respect this more than those who just throw out Craig memes and regurgitate things they don't understand in an effort to defend their favorite plastic box.
Haven't they already?
carloseduardocd
Member
Yes, i will ignore a pipeline engineer and trust in "forum researchers".
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Raekwon26
Member
Well thats just stupid.
Games that weren't designed with the Series X as the primary focus.
If I play PS1 Ridge Racer on PS4, I guess thats PS4 gameplay........ you got to be kidding me.
You have to be very careful. People with a committed point of view tend to cherry-pick from the info that they think supports their case, leaving out what doesn't. The fact that they spend time doing so doesn't say anything about how true they information they present is.
Neo_game
Member
No one can be sure unless you are a programmer working on the consoles. But hole in my head blog probably has the best next gen tech articles I think. Including the one how he thinks the Xbox RAM will work with wider and narrow bus setup. Here is his part11:
http://hole-in-my-head.blogspot.com/2020/08/analyse-this-next-gen-consoles-part-11.html
http://hole-in-my-head.blogspot.com/2020/08/analyse-this-next-gen-consoles-part-11.html
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AMD spec zen2 to handle AVX 2 without using clock domains. The base clock of the 3700x is 3.6Ghz as is the base clock for the 4750g. Both are 65W TDP processors.
It does not seem unreasonable to presume that the consoles can run avx2 code at full speed absent any statements on the matter.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I'm sorry, but Halo CE was a technical showcase for the OG xbox, and this continued all the way to Halo 4 on the 360 (it's still considered as one of the best looking game of its generation by many)... Even Halo 5 looked pretty good at times, despite the many sacrifices it did to hold its 60fps target.
This game is not even up to par for a current get title, someone at MS should have noticed... I mean, these people are paid to look at games all day, every day.